Not that it matters, but i couldnt see this group drafting DeBrincat even if they had the pick. Girard maybe but we always are late to the party with QMJHL players for some reason.
But i do agree two 2nds was an overpay.
Having said that, i also like Shaw, however as was said earlier i dont like his salary.
So i guess i'm not really sure how i feel☺
That was definitely a WTF trade.
This trade reminds me the Linden and Damphousse moves.
Trading Eller for two 2nd was a good move and it made sense. Then you trade two better 2nd for Shaw and you void anything positive of the previous move and it then becomes negative.
Was the same with Damphousse and Linden. We got a conditional 1st for Damphousse. Was not a very good trade since the 1st was conditional to SJ signing him (which made the trade a trade for a signed player and not an UFA one) but still we got a good first for him and with the 2nd along with Zubrus we got for Recchi we could look forward. Then our dumb GM traded a better first than the one we got for Damphousse in exchange of Linden. That was like WTF is that.
I have to disagree here. A player of Shaw's caliber and upside doesn't command that much. Bergevin was too enamoured by the Chicago factor, character and other nonsense - following it with that absurd contract only further confirmed this. Chicago knew it and took advantage.Two 2nd was fine. If it had been two end of 2nd round. Problem is one was a 39th pick which is almost first round and the other was 45th pick i.e. middle of 2nd round. The 45th pick and our 3rd round pick (69th) would have been more than fair. Giving that 39th pick was just ridiculous.
I have to disagree here. A player of Shaw's caliber and upside doesn't command that much. Bergevin was too enamoured by the Chicago factor, character and other nonsense - following it with that absurd contract only further confirmed this. Chicago knew it and took advantage.
Would've been fine with giving the two 2nds for Teravainen instead.
Andrew Shaw for Shipachyov
McPhee is awful, he could very well accept it.would be too obvious a move for a GM like Bergevin to figure out...
as an asset, ship is far easier to manage this year and next, even if he contributes nothing or simply gets waived/suspended, than managing Shaw whom were stuck with for an astounding 4 more seasons.
Doubt Vegas bites though, wouldn't make much sense for them.
I would do that in a heartbeat, but apparently mb the genius thinks the solution is in the locker room, behind Carey Price’s jockstrap.Andrew Shaw for Shipachyov
I don't know if the fool is that much of a fool...McPhee is awful, he could very well accept it.
Just read on Vegals board Engells says Habs are out. I wish we could get reasons because it seems like a good deal for both teams. I guess he may be a head case or something.
we need a center, and vegas wants to trade Vadim Shipachyov so why not trade Shaw for him.
Didn't we have the most Russians in the league last year?...This is going to sound crazy but this organization over the last several years just doesnt seem to like Russians.
The last player we've drafted out of Russia was Avstin in 2009, and since then we've drafted two out of the CHL...one of which was traded a year later.
If you want to throw Galchenyuk in that group, hes not exactly enamored by the organization and has probably received the harshest treatment and public callings out of any prospect during that time.
Yes, we signed Rads and he was great but the way that relationship ended seemed personal with Bergevin playing hardball.
And I wont even get into Markov.
IDK, I don't have any proof but from my perspective the Habs just dont seem to like Russians.
Considering we have over 8m in cap space does it really matter if he's overpaid?
I don't know if the fool is that much of a fool...
But stranger things have happened.
Didn't we have the most Russians in the league last year?...
This is going to sound crazy but this organization over the last several years just doesnt seem to like Russians.
The last player we've drafted out of Russia was Avstin in 2009, and since then we've drafted two out of the CHL...one of which was traded a year later.
If you want to throw Galchenyuk in that group, hes not exactly enamored by the organization and has probably received the harshest treatment and public callings out of any prospect during that time.
Yes, we signed Rads and he was great but the way that relationship ended seemed personal with Bergevin playing hardball.
And I wont even get into Markov.
IDK, I don't have any proof but from my perspective the Habs just dont seem to like Russians.
Yes because his contract in term and cap hit has a negative effect on his trade value.
I don't know, tbh. We had three.
I never looked into if that was above or below. I know, it sounds crazy but we don't draft them. Perhaps other organizations are the same.
Edit: Looking around we had 4 (including Sergacheve) who played games us, same as Tampa / Colorado, Washington had 3...all had more in the system.
My comment covered over the past 6 years since Bergevin got here. Markov / Emelin were already here.
But the argument was we have to trade him because of his bad contract. You can't claim we have to trade him because of his bad contract if the only reason is his bad contract hurts his trade value. That's nonsensical, the only trade you can make is get a worse player on a better contract. How does getting a worse player help us? It doesn't. How does going from 8m cap space to say 9-12m help us? It doesn't.
That's why it's pointless to trade him. It doesn't help us in any way, now or in the future.
Shaw is overpaid but he's not a bad player and was on pace for 35 points last year playing mainly in the bottom six with bottom six talent. He's still in his mid twenties and will only be 31 when his deal ends. He's one of our few physical players and he's one of better players in the faceoff circle, while also being responsible defensively.
I just find it funny people complain about his contract yet get upset we didn't sign Radulov to a $7 million contract. I guess signing a guy for 15-20 extra points is worth $3 million extra despite being older and on the downside of his career, while taking more stupid/lazy minor penalties than Shaw did.
That wasn’t my argument.
You want the option to trade any player at any time, especially guys like Shaw who aren’t exactly irreplaceable. On a decent contract he is an asset. On his current contract he is much less of an asset. He isn’t fetching two mid-high second rounders anymore.
3/4 line guys can quickly become redundant. Being tied down to one like Shaw is just not prudent.