Rumor: Golden Knights reportedly refused to deal Cody Glass in order to obtain Erik Karlsson from Senators

[Supermassive]

I think this was the plan all along:

July 1 - Contract offer from Sens to Karlsson, rejected.
July 2 - Permission for suitors to negotiate a contract extension with Karlsson.
July ? - Sens start actual trade negotiations with every team that Karlsson has agreed to terms with on a new contract.
July-Sept? - Trade completed. Karlsson signs extension with new team immediately afterward.

Karlsson picks his destination(s), Sens get their best return.

 

[CupInSIX]

 

[Vegan Knight]

If true, would be a mistake for them, in my opinion. Losing Tavares has made them a much younger team.

It may be a year or two of tough results for them but they have time to hammer out where they'll play long term and almost be there finally. After that they would have an exciting and promising young team. They should definitely go the youth route and build from within.

I don't think Karlsson would agree to a long term deal there, so I really think it isn't worth it for them.

 

[Supermassive]

If true, would be a mistake for them, in my opinion. Losing Tavares has made them a much younger team.

It may be a year or two of tough results for them but they have time to hammer out where they'll play long term and almost be there finally. After that they would have an exciting and promising young team. They should definitely go the youth route and build from within.

I don't think Karlsson would agree to a long term deal there, so I really think it isn't worth it for them.

I get it, though. Losing Tavares is going to hurt their competitiveness and ticket sales. Karlsson would solve so many short-term problems for them.

If he doesn't want to play there, it's all rather meaningless, though.

 

[Pirate Deadpool]

If it wasn't us likely getting EK, I'd feel bad for ottawa. EK really has leverage over them. Teams that likely won't make the playoffs this season aren't going to give up a king's ransom for a rental and the Bobby Ryan anchor contract. I can see the Isles being good long term despite JT leaving if they hit on their 'spects. I almost want to wait a full season and let Karlsson pick his own team. That does put us at risk, but I really don't want to give up anything when it's a certainty that he will be a UFA. If we miss then we still have lots of young talent and a lot of cap space. An EK/BR deal along with everyone else that needs to get paid, puts the team near the ceiling in 2019- 2020 season.

This is why the team can't hand out overpayment contracts to bottom line forwards and dmen. The jets couldn't re-sign Stazz because of impending cap hell. We're going to be in cap hell if we take EK and BR for a short time in 2019 until 2020 when Eakin, Reaves, Clarkson, Merrill, and Holden all come off the books. Wild Bill scores 40 goals again and then we're gonna have to pay him 9 million.

 

[Vegan Knight]

If it wasn't us likely getting EK, I'd feel bad for ottawa. EK really has leverage over them. Teams that likely won't make the playoffs this season aren't going to give up a king's ransom for a rental and the Bobby Ryan anchor contract. I can see the Isles being good long term despite JT leaving if they hit on their 'spects. I almost want to wait a full season and let Karlsson pick his own team. That does put us at risk, but I really don't want to give up anything when it's a certainty that he will be a UFA. If we miss then we still have lots of young talent and a lot of cap space. An EK/BR deal along with everyone else that needs to get paid, puts the team near the ceiling in 2019- 2020 season.

This is why the team can't hand out overpayment contracts to bottom line forwards and dmen. The jets couldn't re-sign Stazz because of impending cap hell. We're going to be in cap hell if we take EK and BR for a short time in 2019 until 2020 when Eakin, Reaves, Clarkson, Merrill, and Holden all come off the books. Wild Bill scores 40 goals again and then we're gonna have to pay him 9 million.

I think I'd rather take a risk with Wild Bill for 6-6.5x8. I don't think he would turn down 48-52 million with all the uncertainty of how he will follow up this campaign.

Even if he reverted to a 50 point two way center (still very much a possibility) it would still be a good contract with a rising cap. Would give us enough value with him on our team and be tradeable if it ever came to that at some point during the contract.

 

[CupInSIX]

ANOTHER (smaller) media guy saying he keeps hearing it's almost done. Kind of reminds me of the Tavares talk on Friday/Saturday.

 

[IceNeophyte]

If you can unload Clarkson in the deal, you can have wild bill too.

 

[LadyStanley]

From earlier this morning.

 

[CupInSIX]

I think it gets done by tonight & I'm scared about the cost.

 

[Vegan Knight]

I think it gets done by tonight & I'm scared about the cost.

I think it's very understated as part of the deal but if it is us then I think Bobby Ryan could possibly be an actual asset to us for the next two years he would be here. Assuming an amnesty buyout before year 3 after the next CBA.

He could possibly replace 45-50 points of Perron's regular season production for us and all of Neal's if he can stay healthy. With Tatar being capable of replacing Neal's smaller regular season point total and Perron's less effective postseason play. To say nothing of upgrading to Karlsson at the back and the Stastny addition.

He would probably still be overpaid by 2-3 million but we are in position to afford it and I think he could turn out to be a very useful piece for us, which would make a big price tag easier to take.

 

[HanSolo]

Nervous. Apparently that guy has been right about a few things.

 

[Knightmare]

I think it's very understated as part of the deal but if it is us then I think Bobby Ryan could possibly be an actual asset to us for the next two years he would be here. Assuming an amnesty buyout before year 3 after the next CBA.

He could possibly replace 45-50 points of Perron's regular season production for us and all of Neal's if he can stay healthy. With Tatar being capable of replacing Neal's smaller regular season point total and Perron's less effective postseason play. To say nothing of upgrading to Karlsson at the back and the Stastny addition.

He would probably still be overpaid by 2-3 million but we are in position to afford it and I think he could turn out to be a very useful piece for us, which would make a big price tag easier to take.

I tend to agree with you here on BR. We’ve seen mediocre (sorry guys!!!) players blossom into stars here, imagine what could happen to someone like Bobby. Maybe he becomes the player that was deserving of that initial contract. I hope we can get this done today.

 

[HanSolo]

I tend to agree with you here on BR. We’ve seen mediocre (sorry guys!!!) players blossom into stars here, imagine what could happen to someone like Bobby. Maybe he becomes the player that was deserving of that initial contract. I hope we can get this done today.

I'd really love if Ryan could reclaim his game with us. I watched Ryan develop from second to Crosby in the 05 draft to the rookie sensation that we was, then the perimeter player he became. He has so much talent but something is off with him. Maybe Gallant can help him rediscover what he's been lacking.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Nervous. Apparently that guy has been right about a few things.

Bobby Ryan is overpaid by 2 million but if we do get him, I'd try to think of the price as for EK and a Neal-like player.

People wouldn't have been mad about Neal for 5.25x4. So 2 million extra for what I believe is a similar player that we could probably amnesty buyout in 2 years.

 

[Pirate Deadpool]

Anyone remember the Phil Kessel trade that got him out of Toronto? The leafs had no leverage and they were so desperate to unload money they got a low return. If Ryan is also coming then the return to the sens should be minimal. 1 NHL level player, a top tier prospect not named Glass or a 1st and 2nd is my guess. Toronto got less than that too, but EK is still in his prime, but the cost of eating a huge contract is also a huge plus for Melnyck and they better take that offer before no one is willing to take Bobby Ryan's contract off their hands.

 

[CupInSIX]

I proposed this on the main

Ottawa
Suzuki
VGK 1st 2019
VGK 1st 2020
Haula
Miller
Dansk

Vancouver
Anderson
50% Ryan's salary retained
Clarkson
Formenton
rights to Gusev

VGK
Ryan (50% retained)
Karlsson


if EK has it narrowed down and there's no more bidding war, giving up less than this would be dandy.

 

[Supermassive]

Ek + Ryan <===> Eakin, Miller's RFA rights, 2019 1st, 2 prospects not named Glass.
That's my optimistic best guess.

 

[Vegan Knight]

I proposed this on the main

Ottawa
Suzuki
VGK 1st 2019
VGK 1st 2020
Haula
Miller
Dansk

Vancouver
Anderson
50% Ryan's salary retained
Clarkson
Formenton
rights to Gusev

VGK
Ryan (50% retained)
Karlsson


if EK has it narrowed down and there's no more bidding war, giving up less than this would be dandy.

That's a lot of moving pieces, which makes it less likely.

I also couldn't see Ottawa giving up anything other than EK in any trade. Take out Formenton, move Clarkson to Ottawa and have Vancouver take only 30% of Ryan's contract and it would be more well received, I believe. Maybe we give an extra late pick to Vancouver.

 

[ChanceVegas]

Seems more and more likely this happens. If we get both EK and Ryan, I hope we are able to move at least some salary off the books. I assume we only have Clarkson's $5M to play with at that point and we still have to re-sign Wild Bill, Nosek, Carrier, Miller and Theo. If it's Theo that goes, that's not a big cap help. Tuch is less than $1M also. All the pieces that have been rumored don't help the cap much. How much will Ottowa need to take on to hit the cap floor? Do they absolutely need to take some of our salary?

 

[Knightmare]

I proposed this on the main

Ottawa
Suzuki
VGK 1st 2019
VGK 1st 2020
Haula
Miller
Dansk

Vancouver
Anderson
50% Ryan's salary retained
Clarkson
Formenton
rights to Gusev

VGK
Ryan (50% retained)
Karlsson


if EK has it narrowed down and there's no more bidding war, giving up less than this would be dandy.

I like this. This is fair. All these people saying Tuch, Glass, Theo, etc... NEVER going to happen. Not with us also taking on the Bobby Ryan contract.
Fact is, Ottawa is just not going to get what they want. Worse case scenario for them and us is Ottawa gets Tavares’d and nothing happens until 7/1/19 and we just sign EK straight up with no Bobby Ryan.

 

[Pirate Deadpool]

Like I said earlier about the Kessel deal the leafs got squat because of the money shipped out. 7 million and change buys you a star player on the UFA market. And Melnyk is cheap as they come.

I'll throw out a guess just to see who guessed closest in value if it goes down.

EK
BR

Suzuki
1 1st
Theo or Miller

I'm not too positive about a Bobby Ryan reclamation project being successful. He will certainly post better numbers than what he's been showing in Ottawa, but he's also a semi liability on defense. I think 18 goals would be the best I could hope for and realistically will be around 15. I used to watch the ducks whenever the Avs weren't playing and I felt like he was one dimensional and a bit of a puck hog and now that he has lost his scoring touch, he's a fringe 3rd liner and a likely scratch in the playoffs.

I do think the people of Las Vegas will love how he got his name and the adversity he and his family went through while growing up.

If this deal goes down then the 2019 cap space will be over or barely under the cap if core guys get paid market price unless the cap goes up by 4m. VGK will be ok in 2020, but this is why I am against overpaying bottom line forwards and bottom pairing dmen when there's cheaper options out there. 6th dman or 4th line winger spots doesn't need to be fillled right now. If it appears in the preseason that no one internally steps up, a trade can be made as VGK has enough picks to throw a 3rd or 4th rounder for a 1 to 1.5m fringe starter. There will be teams in the preseason that see a prospect ready to play and that's how we could get a scrub for cheap because they will want to give the prospect playing time and a cheap vet will see his playing time reduced by a lot or scratched.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Like I said earlier about the Kessel deal the leafs got squat because of the money shipped out. 7 million and change buys you a star player on the UFA market. And Melnyk is cheap as they come.

I'll throw out a guess just to see who guessed closest in value if it goes down.

EK
BR

Suzuki
1 1st
Theo or Miller

I'm not too positive about a Bobby Ryan reclamation project being successful. He will certainly post better numbers than what he's been showing in Ottawa, but he's also a semi liability on defense. I think 18 goals would be the best I could hope for and realistically will be around 15. I used to watch the ducks whenever the Avs weren't playing and I felt like he was one dimensional and a bit of a puck hog and now that he has lost his scoring touch, he's a fringe 3rd liner and a likely scratch in the playoffs.

I do think the people of Las Vegas will love how he got his name and the adversity he and his family went through while growing up.

If this deal goes down then the 2019 cap space will be over or barely under the cap if core guys get paid market price unless the cap goes up by 4m. VGK will be ok in 2020, but this is why I am against overpaying bottom line forwards and bottom pairing dmen when there's cheaper options out there. 6th dman or 4th line winger spots doesn't need to be fillled right now. If it appears in the preseason that no one internally steps up, a trade can be made as VGK has enough picks to throw a 3rd or 4th rounder for a 1 to 1.5m fringe starter. There will be teams in the preseason that see a prospect ready to play and that's how we could get a scrub for cheap because they will want to give the prospect playing time and a cheap vet will see his playing time reduced by a lot or scratched.

It's gonna be Theo/Miller+ Suzuki+ 1st+ 2nd + Lindberg+ Clarkson for Bobby and EK.

You guys can get lotto numbers from me later.

I will give you one money maker now though. The Warriors are going to win the championship.

 

[HanSolo]

It's gonna be Theo/Miller+ Suzuki+ 1st+ 2nd + Lindberg+ Clarkson for Bobby and EK.

You guys can get lotto numbers from me later.

I will give you one money maker now though. The Warriors are going to win the championship.

I think if you bet on the Warriors and they win, at this point you have to pay the casinos money.

 

[CupInSIX]

So apparently the latest rumor is that the Senators aren't including Ryan anymore and Karlsson may be going to the Stars to reunite with former Golden Knight Mark Methot.