Golden Knights defenceman Colin Miller breaks nose in Game 4

[mitchdisaster]

I didn't complain once about people calling him a diver prior. But to let negativity bias somehow make it okay to chastise a player for being in pain because of an injury is ****ing pathetic.

There's nothing wrong with saying there shouldn't have been a penalty. But ridiculing Miller for "diving" is absolutely absurd. The boy who cried wolf effect doesn't matter if we have evidence there was actually an injury on the play.

But that's mostly my point. I understand busting your nose hurts A LOT. It'll drop most people. The first reaction most of us had and will continue to have isn't "oh no that looks like a broken nose", it's "oh no another flop to try an buy a call".

If they hadn't been flopping and throwing their heads around like back up dancers, some of us here would be WAY more inclined to accept that he might have actually been injured.

 

[Neil Racki]

But that's mostly my point. I understand busting your nose hurts A LOT. It'll drop most people. The first reaction most of us had and will continue to have isn't "oh no that looks like a broken nose", it's "oh no another flop to try an buy a call".

If they hadn't been flopping and throwing their heads around like back up dancers, some of us here would be WAY more inclined to accept that he might have actually been injured.

But he actually was injured. Broken nose = injured. It wasnt a penalty but I think the dude was hurt and reacted as if he was hurt.

Im a Caps fan but I dont think he was flopping or embellishing. Coach Gallant afterwards talking elbow seems to be trying to lay the seed for a 5 min major to be called in their favor Game 5 though.

Can we accept that it wasnt a penalty but broken noses, no matter how severe, hurt?

 

[mitchdisaster]

But he actually was injured. Broken nose = injured. It wasnt a penalty but I think the dude was hurt and reacted as if he was hurt.

Im a Caps fan but I dont think he was flopping or embellishing. Coach Gallant afterwards talking elbow seems to be trying to lay the seed for a 5 min major to be called in their favor Game 5 though.

Can we accept that it wasnt a penalty but broken noses, no matter how severe, hurt?

Yes. absolutely. The final part of my comment was only meant to apply to initial reactions.

OTOH, Gallant is the one who said broken nose, he also said elbow to the nose so......

 

[Crosbyfan]

Yes. absolutely. The final part of my comment was only meant to apply to initial reactions.

OTOH, Gallant is the one who said broken nose, he also said elbow to the nose so......

Initial look...flailing elbow...what would you expect?

 

[mitchdisaster]

Initial look...flailing elbow...what would you expect?

I expect a coach to stand up for his players exactly like Gallant did. I'm not surprised he said what he said.

 

[HanSolo]

But that's mostly my point. I understand busting your nose hurts A LOT. It'll drop most people. The first reaction most of us had and will continue to have isn't "oh no that looks like a broken nose", it's "oh no another flop to try an buy a call".

If they hadn't been flopping and throwing their heads around like back up dancers, some of us here would be WAY more inclined to accept that he might have actually been injured.

Vegas fans were more than willing to accept that Orpik got stitches even though we got nothing more than hearsay evidence.

Imagine taking time out of your day to question whether Gallant is lying to try to confirm another "dive". But that's not what people are doing here. People are implying that he did break his nose but he should've played through it or not reacted the way he did. I don't believe for a second those people have actually broken their nose. Unless you're in a do or die situation, that pain is gonna make you want to at least collect yourself.

I can't tell you how many times players in these playoffs alone took a stick up high and they just put their heads and upper body down doubled over in pain. No one bitched then. Miller breaks his nose and that's more evidence of him being a supposed sell artist.

There's plenty of alleged dives to ridicule him over. I don't see the point of chastising him for breaking his nose. I keep saying "negativity bias" because that's exactly what's being demonstrated here. I wouldn't be surprised if someone elbowed Miller right in the head and he got concussed there would be some trying to say he was embellishing.

 

[mitchdisaster]

Vegas fans were more than willing to accept that Orpik got stitches even though we got nothing more than hearsay evidence.

Imagine taking time out of your day to question whether Gallant is lying to try to confirm another "dive". But that's not what people are doing here. People are implying that he did break his nose but he should've played through it or not reacted the way he did. I don't believe for a second those people have actually broken their nose. Unless you're in a do or die situation, that pain is gonna make you want to at least collect yourself.

I can't tell you how many times players in these playoffs alone took a stick up high and they just put their heads and upper body down doubled over in pain. No one *****ed then. Miller breaks his nose and that's more evidence of him being a supposed sell artist.

There's plenty of alleged dives to ridicule him over. I don't see the point of chastising him for breaking his nose. I keep saying "negativity bias" because that's exactly what's being demonstrated here. I wouldn't be surprised if someone elbowed Miller right in the head and he got concussed there would be some trying to say he was embellishing.

See what you're confusing for negativity bias is the observer bias. We expect to see him dive, so we see him dive. We're not hoping he breaks his nose on the hit, but we're expecting him embellish and attempt to draw a call.

 

[HanSolo]

See what you're confusing for negativity bias is the observer bias. We expect to see him dive, so we see him dive. We're not hoping he breaks his nose on the hit, but we're expecting him embellish and attempt to draw a call.

Call it what you want. It's bias and it blurs the lines of fact.

 

[tarheelhockey]

That's a hell of a strong play on the puck by Oshie. Bad luck for Miller that it ended up injuring him, but you have to appreciate how strong on his skates Oshie has to be to just "shrug" a 200lb man back off him like that.

Also, calling this embellishment is pure insanity. Nothing shuts you down like getting hit in the nose. The whole idea that he should have popped back up and kept playing after having his nose broken is the ultimate internet-warrior cry for attention.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I challenge anyone calling this embellishment to get on the ice, take a shot to the nose to the point of breaking it, and skating around like nothing happened.

Some people might keep going no problem, some might not. The body and brain reacts differently to pain depending on the person and circumstance. There is no "catch-all" correct response to these things, and to call Miller out for having a response to what would be a painful stimulus is idiotic.

 

[mitchdisaster]

I challenge anyone calling this embellishment to get on the ice, take a shot to the nose to the point of breaking it, and skating around like nothing happened.

Some people might keep going no problem, some might not. The body and brain reacts differently to pain depending on the person and circumstance. There is no "catch-all" correct response to these things, and to call Miller out for having a response to what would be a painful stimulus is idiotic.

Just speaking for myself, Initially yeah I assumed it was embellishment, there was no blood on the ice or on him immediately after the hit, Initial replays clearly showed no contact with elbow and the recent play of Miller and the rest of his teammates all added to the conclusion that yep, it's a dive.

Do I still think that? No. Getting you nose mashed hurts. It'll drop anyone, don't care who you are.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Just speaking for myself, Initially yeah I assumed it was embellishment, there was no blood on the ice or on him immediately after the hit, Initial replays clearly showed no contact with elbow and the recent play of Miller and the rest of his teammates all added to the conclusion that yep, it's a dive.

Do I still think that? No. Getting you nose mashed hurts. It'll drop anyone, don't care who you are.

Initially I am not going to go back and fault anyone for saying that was a dive at the time. It looked like he just got a little shot to the face, maybe it hurt a little, and he was possibly trying to sell it. Without knowing the damage you could make any determination.

After the fact? You can't make that same explanation.

 

[SouthGeorge]

This is so dirty. I don't even know where to begin. He had a path to the net. No forechecker would see this coming. It's like being on a breakaway pushing the puck forward, going backwards, and shoulder up to deck the guy trailing. Miller doesn't have the puck or in position to hit him. This is interference all day.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

This is so dirty. I don't even know where to begin. He had a path to the net. No forechecker would see this coming. It's like being on a breakaway pushing the puck forward, going backwards, and shoulder up to deck the guy trailing. Miller doesn't have the puck or in position to hit him. This is interference all day.

Bro do you even hockey?


Just kidding, I know you couldn't tell a five hole from your... ahem

 

[bonzaibondra12]

You’ve posted this ten times

This is so dirty. I don't even know where to begin. He had a path to the net. No forechecker would see this coming. It's like being on a breakaway pushing the puck forward, going backwards, and shoulder up to deck the guy trailing. Miller doesn't have the puck or in position to hit him. This is interference all day.

 

[Bread and Circuses]

I got no problem with the hit but I highly doubt Miller is pulling any theatrics there.

I broke my nose and it immediately impaired my ability to function properly, I also absolutely knew that it was broken as I could hear the bones moving in my eardrums as I opened and closed my mouth to try to breathe properly.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I said technically. What rule allows Oshie to do that? You can compete for space with body position but Oshie threw a check. Miller was not eligible to be hit. (again though, it's never called)

Rules tend to say what not to do.

It's fighting for position, it's fine.

 

[SouthGeorge]

Bro do you even hockey?


Just kidding, I know you couldn't tell a five hole from your... ahem

Yeah, I played my whole life and D1. You apparently never have. I already broke this down last night. Bracing yourself along the boards for a hit which all 3 of this clips are is totally different. Somebody who has a clear path to the net dropping it so they can go backwards, shoulder up to hit the guy backchecking him isn't a hockey play. Nobody backchecking in that situation would expect that or be able to protect themselves. He was in no threat to be hit by Miller in that play and he purposely went out of his way to hit Miller who doesn't have the puck. It's dirty and at the very least interference. But I wouldn't expect you or any Caps fan to understand this.

 

[Hockeyholic]

LeBron

 

[Finnflash]

I really like “reverse hits”. Should be a better name for it though.

I’ve seen a lot more of these over the last few years and surprised more players don’t try it.

 

[bonzaibondra12]

Somebody has to explain the rules to you Capitals fans

Let me explain a rule to you.

If you lose four games in a seven game series then you are eliminated. It happened several weeks ago.

 

[SouthGeorge]

I really like “reverse hits”. Should be a better name for it though.

I’ve seen a lot more of these over the last few years and surprised more players don’t try it.

It's not really a "reverse hit" Players are bracing for hits and even moving forward a little bit now and winning the hit. But what the Capitals started the other night is some next level stuff. I can't wait to watch somebody on a breakaway just decide to push the puck forward in the corner and lunge backwards and just completely decimate the poor guy trying to backcheck with his head down. Big boy hockey.

 

[Finnflash]

It's not really a "reverse hit" Players are bracing for hits and even moving forward a little bit now and winning the hit. But what the Capitals started the other night is some next level stuff. I can't wait to watch somebody on a breakaway just decide to push the puck forward in the corner and lunge backwards and just completely decimate the poor guy trying to backcheck with his head down. Big boy hockey.

Lol.

I’ve seen that done actually a few times while playing minor league hockey. Is funny as heck but not a bright hockey move on a breakaway.

 

[bonzaibondra12]

It's not really a "reverse hit" Players are bracing for hits and even moving forward a little bit now and winning the hit. But what the Capitals started the other night is some next level stuff. I can't wait to watch somebody on a breakaway just decide to push the puck forward in the corner and lunge backwards and just completely decimate the poor guy trying to backcheck with his head down. Big boy hockey.

 

[Holtbyisms]

Payback sucks sometimes.