Duke749
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How about you do some research then and bring us some facts to back up your statement? Otherwise this is nothing more then an empty statement from a very biased viewpoint.
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How about you do some research then and bring us some facts to back up your statement? Otherwise this is nothing more then an empty statement from a very biased viewpoint.
Teemusalami204
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I will retract the sub par. He’s middle of the pack. Until he gets a late round gem he stays middle of the pack for me
Duke749
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Pessimism is often disguised as "realism", but that's off topic.
Trading for RFAs is harder than average when you have top heavy talent like the Jets do. You can either overpay, which never works out, or hold out for the right value. Ehlers has high value because of his contract relative to his production, so you don't want to waste that value by overpaying.
I'm not saying Chevy is a perfect GM but he's made more good moves than bad and I think panic trading or overpaying on trades is poor asset management.
Teemusalami204
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One fact that would be out of 9 drafts Chevy has 3 players on the roster making consistent contributions that were not from the first round.
That’s not amazing by any means
Teemusalami204
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I don’t think he is the worst gm and he has made good moves. And because of his inactivity he has made almost no bad moves. That’s from not taking any chances at all.
My point was just that the hardest gm in the league thing is overblown. Other then that I agree with you he isn’t that bad
Duke749
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Teemusalami204
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k pal. I see what your doing. I made my point. I’m not going to sit here and scramble for something that is easy to see. Chevy has done good in the first round and not so much in anything after that.
Until he finds a brayden point type of steal in a late round then he is just average or sub par After the first.
I will even go as far as once late round picks start filling out his roster I will change my mind.
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Teemusalami204
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Yes he does. One of the 3 players outside the first round that play full time for us. I stayed that.
Most goalies are taken in late rounds though. It’s not like it’s a late round steal. Teams everywhere get goalies that way
By that metric lets see how well the rest of our division does:
Avalanche - 0 (All of their drafted roster talent is top 10 picks in the draft Mackinnon 1st overall, Ladeskog 2nd overall, Makar 3rd overall, Rantenan and Jost 10th overall)
Dallas - 3 (Lindell, Hintz, and Dickinson)
Wild - 1 (Greenway)
Chicago - 2 (Saad and Debrincat)
Blues - 3 (Binnington, Parayko, Barbashev)
Preds - 3 (Sissons, Arviddsson, Saros)
Looks to me it isn't super easy to draft post first round. The Jets imo have the best player drafted post 1st round in the division in Helle. Copp and Lowry stack up quite well with most of the other players.
Teemusalami204
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Its easy to spot the outliers like Kucherov and Point on Tampa but the vast majority of teams don't do that amazing post first round. It takes a decent amount of luck to get elite talent late.
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The odds of any player outside of the 1st round playing impactful, meaningful minutes in the NHL is fairly low. For every Point or Aho there are hundreds of career minor leaguers.
Yup, it just goes to show you just how important first round picks are. You need to hit on them to be successful and luckily for us Chevy has done very well with our first round picks.
He's never once taken advantage of another team's situation to add a core talent. Dudley did it 3 times in the span of a year aquiring Ladd, Byfuglien, and Wheeler for scraps.
Chevy hasn't acquired a single long-term core piece (top 6 F, top 4 D) via trade, fa, or the draft (outside of the 1st round). The only time he's traded up to get a player he liked was to pick a bust everyone here saw coming on draft night.
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tbcwpg
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What cap space have the Jets had to take advantage of that? 10-12 years ago the Thrashers situation was much different than the Jets today.
The Wheeler trade was a TDL deal, wouldn't call that taking advantage unless it was taking advantage of the Bruins wanting to win a Cup
It's his bloody responsibility to manage the cap and he's done a piss poor job of that too. Ladd would still be on the books right now if he hadn't turned down Chevy's offer.
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So Chevy is supposed to have enough cap space to make trades with teams in cap trouble, while making sure he can sign his own RFAs to low enough contracts that allows him to have this space, while also icing a competitive team.
Who are GMs that have done all of this? Maybe one?
Arizona seems to be the only team that has really weoponized their cap space consistently but it hasn't got them anywhere.
I think you're deluding yourself if you think the Jets location in Winnipeg doesn't present extra challenges in the trade market and UFA market. You can call them "excuses" if it makes you feel better, but they are objective realities.
Winnipeg is at the top of the NHL in no trade lists. That's been shown repeatedly by anonymous agent polls. That limits trade options and is a key indicator of free agent choices.
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Carolina has done a decent job at it too, however they got some help with the Aho offer sheet. It can be done, but it takes a specific set of circumstances and some luck.
You also have to be willing to eat a buyout as well ans that is something we are loath to do.
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You are correct this is one of the toughest markets when it comes to the No move no trade restrictions and also free agents. I was chatting with a guy from Dallas and he said it’s the opposite there. They get allot of phone calls from agents pitching their clients.
Doesn't make it impossible for us by any means but it makes it harder to get deals done.
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