Give me 2 reasons why JT should not be next captain

[Bronxxx]

Agree with this although I would include Tavares in the group of potentials. Overall, I think Rielly is the right choice however.

The caption of a team does not need to be it's best player. He/she certainly can't be just some plug but this notion that just because a player is not the best on the team shouldn't exclude them from being the team's captain.

If Matthews were to assert himself more on and off the ice and be a little more consistent with his play, then I'd say he should be in the conversation.

Having said all that, I still think Matthews gets it anyway for aesthetic marketing purposes.

When did Willy become a she?

 

[meefer]

Ahem...having been a captain for a number of teams, highlighted by being given the C on my peewee championship team in house league all those many years ago, I feel uniquely qualified to offer the correct opinion as to who should wear the C on our beloved Leafs Me!

As the above shows, I have no idea what the qualities for being given the C are in the NHL. I would suspect it's the player who has the greatest amount of respect from his teammates, for a number of reasons, while being comfortable handling the responsibilities that go with the position. We interpret from the outside and while I might guess Morgan fits the bill, I'll let the process unfold behind closed doors and accept the decision.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

We have so many great candidates for captain, Tavares among them for his veteran experience, accomplishments and composure, but I think with how things are trending, Matthews is primed to become captain. He’s seen and portrayed as the face of this franchise.

No, Not a leader. Matthews is not a leader.
Choose Reilly, JT, Naz , Hyman before Matthews.
This is not a popularity contest to sell the franchise. I hate that face of the franchise crap.

 

[Spirit of 67]

How will the captain of the Leafs be chosen ?

Appointment by management would be my guess.

 

[Spirit of 67]

On a team where they've gone to great lengths to create a culture of You get what you earn. Nothing is handed to you, the captaincy will not be tied to a contract.

 

[Notsince67]

On a team where they've gone to great lengths to create a culture of You get what you earn. Nothing is handed to you, the captaincy will not be tied to a contract.

Yeah. Look at the backup goaltender

 

[Spirit of 67]

Yeah. Look at the backup goaltender

Huh?

 

[Notsince67]

Huh?

He earned his job

 

[Spirit of 67]

He earned his job

Ah, got it.
Agreed.

 

[Confucius]

He could have got the same or even more from a couple of teams but he chose us. He's signed for 7 years and is a top 10 center. Rielly is close and I wouldn't be pissed he got the C but I prefer JT. Mathews has fallen off, still a great player and more than happy he is ours. Marner may get the C after JT.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Patty Marleau and Ron Hainsey should decide on the captain

 

[ToneDog]

The best player on the team is not necessarily the best captain. Example, Stamkos, Wheeler, Justin Williams, Toews, Landeskog, Foligno, Benn, Lee and Greene.

 

[Whaleafs]

Here's a run down of the arguments against Tavares so far:

> He's not the best player on the team (Not a prerequisite)
> He wasn't drafted by Toronto (Not a prerequisite)
> He's not a leader (NY gave him the C as a gag or something)
> NY never won anything when he was captain (He was supposed to carry them like it's basketball)
> He's riding Marner's coat-tails (Marner gets nothing from Tavares, his assists fall from the clouds)
> He's not Matthews, who deserves it for being Matthews
> 20 guys didn't show up in Nassau so Tavares is mentally weak
> He hasn't "lived up to expectations" (whose?)

 

[Rogue]

Matthews might become better, but JT has all the intangibles!!!
And JT is a home boy - homegrown. Sleeping in his Leafs pyjama every single day!!!
In what pyjama did Matthews sleep???

 

[Sweet Leaf]

"For aesthetic marketing purposes they'll make it Matthews"

What?

Matty won;t have a hair on his head by the time he's 22. He's from Zona. He often seems to be torturted in media scrums and looks like he's having a root canal. He doesn't come out and face the media after tough losses. He often says things that don't seem to be in full lockstep with what the coaches are saying.

If it;' about "aesthetic marketing purposes" we should make it Marner.

Thankfully, it won't be about "aesthetic marketing purposes" and it'll surely be Tavares or Reilly.

 

[zeke]

Here's a run down of the arguments against Tavares so far:

> He's not the best player on the team (Not a prerequisite)
> He wasn't drafted by Toronto (Not a prerequisite)
> He's not a leader (NY gave him the C as a gag or something)
> NY never won anything when he was captain (He was supposed to carry them like it's basketball)
> He's riding Marner's coat-tails (Marner gets nothing from Tavares, his assists fall from the clouds)
> He's not Matthews, who deserves it for being Matthews
> 20 guys didn't show up in Nassau so Tavares is mentally weak
> He hasn't "lived up to expectations" (whose?)

Now run down the list of reasons FOR Tavares.

 

[Whaleafs]

Now run down the list of reasons FOR Tavares.

So you can just pretend you didn't see them like all the other one's listed in this thread ?

 

[zeke]

So you can just pretend you didn't see them like all the other one's listed in this thread ?

I haven't seen any.

please list them for us.

 

[Sweet Leaf]

Now run down the list of reasons FOR Tavares.

- Of the core, he's signed to the longest contract
- He's our #1 center, taking the toughest match up night after night
- He's the best media spokesperson in the dressing room
- He has captain experience
- He's won multiple championships with Team Canada
- He's a mature 29 year old guy
- He's a 2 time former Hart trophy finalist
- He's been to the second round of the playoffs scoring his teams winning goal in OT to get there
- He could have played anywhere for more money and CHOSE to play here for less.
- He and his family are Toronto royalty

I think you have embarrassed yourself enough on the Tavares topic. Just stop it already. We don't need more topics locked up.

 

[zeke]

- Of the core, he's signed to the longest contract

this is a real reason?

- He's our #1 center, taking the toughest match up night after night

Which Matthews had done the previous 2yrs.

- He's the best media spokesperson in the dressing room

seems a bit sombre to be me, tbh.

- He has captain experience

his experience as captain wasn't exactly good.

- He's one multiple championships with Team Canada

come on now.

- He's a mature 29 year old guy
- He's a 2 time former Hart trophy finalist

fair reasons!

- He's been to the second round of the playoffs scoring his teams winning goal in OT to get there

4 playoff rounds in 9 years. 1 playoff series win in 9 years.

this is not a good thing.

- He could have played anywhere for more money and CHOSE to play here for less.

He signed the biggest contract in free agent history,with the 2nd highest caphit in the league.

- He and his family are Toronto royalty

don't know what that means.

I think you have embarrassed yourself enough on the Tavares topic. Just stop it already.

It's amazing how angry people get just because someone dares to say Tavares isn't a good choice for captain.

We don't need more topics locked up.

you support that topic being locked up?

 

[Whaleafs]

It's amazing how angry people get just because someone dares to say Tavares isn't a good choice for captain.

It's probably more that you're using the talking points expected out of scorned Islanders fans in bad faith because you think your opinion that it should be Matthews is a certifiable fact.

 

[zeke]

It's probably more that you're using the talking points expected out of scorned Islanders fans in bad faith because you think your opinion that it should be Matthews is a certifiable fact.

plenty of people have attacked Matthews' character in this thread.

do you see me getting mad and attacking them for it?

 

[stickty111]

Ok then the Leafs fanbase is soft

The Jets fanbase is fragile

 

[GoonieFace]

2 reasons

Zachary Hyman

Zachariah Hyman

 

[Doug Gilmour]

Morgan Rielly and John Tavares are the leaders of this team, on and off the ice. To put one ahead of the other is not fair to the other.