TV: Game of Thrones | Season 8 (Final) | Part XI -TV talk ONLY -NO Books, Spoilers, NO LEAKS

[The Imp]

What if Lady Mellissandre is a child of the forest? She's clearly very old, and... has magic. That'd set her up to play a big part in defeating the NK (were it to happen).

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Some great scenes, but I'm confused and not a little creeped out they had Arya star in the opening of a porno.

Also I completely forgot Sandor Clegane had joined Snow or Khaleesi, and was shocked when he rode into Winterfel in the opening shot of the 1st episode.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Do we know how many babies Craster has given up to the NK? That way we could roughly deduct how many WW there are (plus the ones before his time, provided WW can never die other than in combat due to Dragonglass or Valyrian Steel).

 

[tacogeoff]

I hope you guys are ready in 5 days. No i really mean READY. Like no distractions, favorite food in front of you and the lights off.

The Battle at Winterfell may very well be the new best scene of the series (of course the Red Wedding being #1 at the moment).

Prepare yourselves....

There have been so many great moments in this series. Battle of the Bastards, Battle of Blackwater, the Red Wedding and Battle of Castle Black.

Cant wait to see what goes down on Sunday.

 

[Duke33]

Do we know how many babies Craster has given up to the NK? That way we could roughly deduct how many WW there are (plus the ones before his time, provided WW can never die other than in combat due to Dragonglass or Valyrian Steel).

Even if we did know, the Walkers have been around for thousands of years. That's part of the mystique for them, we never know how many they are, how they're all created, their culture, if there even is such a thing. If anything the preview for Sunday's episode shows us the most WW we've seen yet at any one gathering. Instead of two or three leading thousands of wights. I like how they've always been ambiguous about them.

 

[Jovavic]

I think they are going to pull a "reinforcements save the day" like in the Battle of the Bastards and Battle at Blackwater, which would be incredibly lame. I don't know who they would be, though, I doubt it's Cersei with the Golden Company...maybe it's Daario with 1000 mercs from across the ocean.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I think they are going to pull a "reinforcements save the day" like in the Battle of the Bastards and Battle at Blackwater, which would be incredibly lame. I don't know who they would be, though, I doubt it's Cersei with the Golden Company...maybe it's Daario with 1000 mercs from across the ocean.

See, to me I think a point they are making is that all of these different factions with all of these resources (Dany w/Dothraki and the Unsullied, Cersei w/Golden Company, etc.) are individually and together no match for the White Walker army. On the surface there is nothing they can do to stop their march. That's why I'm expecting some kind of deus ex machina. Maybe it's Melisandre or something like that.

 

[Blender]

People aren't "outraged" over it. They just found the scene "awkward" and "uncomfortable" to watch (for a rather understandable reason) and said so. The fact that a lot of people had and expressed that feeling doesn't make it "outrage." If anything has been what you call "outrage," it's been the criticism of that and making an issue out of it (especially a social issue). People are so eager nowadays to overreact and cast opinions that they don't agree with as unreasonable (or worse). We're all different and two people having wildly different reactions to the same scene doesn't mean that one has to be right and the other wrong.



I was trying to show that there's a much worse way that people could've reacted to the scene than simply feeling uncomfortable, and people who care about the portrayal of women in shows like this might appreciate when others having a problem with nudity (for once), even if they don't (for once).

I have seen reactions ranging from feeling awkward to outrage on social media, so yes there has been a wide range of negative reactions. You also ignored most of my post which was making my point, so I don't see the point in engaging further unless you're going to circle back and address it.

 

[Blender]

Second episode was better, but I just generally hate how heavily reliant this show is on shamelessly fan-service-y self-references and winks to the camera since the fourth season. It feels like that's the main punch-line/pay-off/appeal to virtually every scene now, and very little of what happens feels organic now.

Can you define what you mean by fan-service and give an example? I see this term used incorrectly on a regular basis and want to make sure what it is you actually mean.

 

[Blender]

See, to me I think a point they are making is that all of these different factions will all of these resources (Dany w/Dothraki and the Unsullied, Cersei w/Golden Company, etc.) are individually and together no match for the White Walker army. On the surface there is nothing they can do to stop their march. That's why I'm expecting some kind of deus ex machina. Maybe it's Melisandre or something like that.

I said earlier in the thread, but I expect a Pyrrhic victory with the Night King surviving who they have to try and kill later. The living will win, but it will cost their army to do it.

 

[Scotianhab]

Every time they kill a White Walker the dead that Walker has created will die too. We saw that when They captured the wight last season. Every Walker they kill should drop a pile of wights. Just a matter of getting to the White Walkers if they stay in the rear.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I said earlier in the thread, but I expect a Pyrrhic victory with the Night King surviving who they have to try and kill later. The living will win, but it will cost their army to do it.

Maybe. Personally I don't think the Night King is all that important(as an individual) in the big scheme of things. He's a formentor of change but it's the change that is key. Maybe Westeros becomes a republic....

 

[Richard]

The ultimate troll job would be Cersei episode next week with an ending of seeing her brother as a wight

 

[Blender]

Maybe. Personally I don't think the Night King is all that important(as an individual) in the big scheme of things. He's a formentor of change but it's the change that is key. Maybe Westeros becomes a republic....

Well that would actually be breaking the wheel. I don't see Daenerys replacing the current feudal dynastic power structure with her own version of it as breaking the wheel.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Well that would actually be breaking the wheel. I don't see Daenerys replacing the current feudal dynastic power structure with her own version of it as breaking the wheel.

Exactly. I feel as if there is an allegory here.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

The walkers should just sit back and let the wights do as much damage as possible without exposing themselves.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

BATTLE AT WINTERFELL: 4 DAYS

 

[David Dennison]

WhAt AbOuT RuNnINg OuT oF SuPpLiEs?!?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

My longshot theory is the living are able to repel the dead, but notice Viserion isn't present and they find out that the NK takes a considerable force to King's Landing to sack the city (leading to what we saw in Daenerys's vision with the throne room open to the sky and with snow falling). Perhaps they don't take a major force and just plow through Westeros and kill/turn the majority of the citizens for their army. They suffer a minor defeat at Winterfell but recoup their losses anyway and force the army of the living to come to them instead (narratively similar to the battle at Whispering Wood and the sack of Highgarden).

I don't think the major characters have enough time to suffer a major loss at Winterfell, regroup, then battle the NK and/or Cersei and I think a total victory over the army of the dead in the middle of the season doesn't make a lot of narrative sense.

 

[McDNicks17]

My longshot theory is the living are able to repel the dead, but notice Viserion isn't present and they find out that the NK takes a considerable force to King's Landing to sack the city (leading to what we saw in Daenerys's vision with the throne room open to the sky and with snow falling). Perhaps they don't take a major force and just plow through Westeros and kill/turn the majority of the citizens for their army. They suffer a minor defeat at Winterfell but recoup their losses anyway and force the army of the living to come to them instead (narratively similar to the battle at Whispering Wood and the sack of Highgarden).

I don't think the major characters have enough time to suffer a major loss at Winterfell, regroup, then battle the NK and/or Cersei and I think a total victory over the army of the dead in the middle of the season doesn't make a lot of narrative sense.

I think you're probably on to something.

There's three armies and only two big battles this season(by the sounds of it).

Someone has to lose in the next episode. It won't be the Night King and it would be pretty anticlimactic if it was everyone at Winterfell.

 

[David Dennison]

My longshot theory is the living are able to repel the dead, but notice Viserion isn't present and they find out that the NK takes a considerable force to King's Landing to sack the city (leading to what we saw in Daenerys's vision with the throne room open to the sky and with snow falling). Perhaps they don't take a major force and just plow through Westeros and kill/turn the majority of the citizens for their army. They suffer a minor defeat at Winterfell but recoup their losses anyway and force the army of the living to come to them instead (narratively similar to the battle at Whispering Wood and the sack of Highgarden).

I don't think the major characters have enough time to suffer a major loss at Winterfell, regroup, then battle the NK and/or Cersei and I think a total victory over the army of the dead in the middle of the season doesn't make a lot of narrative sense.

Cersei becoming the Night Queen certainly makes sense. The allure of being a forever Queen and maybe bringing her children back (even is wrights) are certainly on brand.

We didn't see Viserion or the NK, only WWs, only one of Danys dragons in the ending/preview. Maybe the good guys win at Winterfell with 2v0 dragons, but the NK takes Kings Landing, adds to his army and sets up the final, final battle?

 

[LightningStrikes]

Well that would actually be breaking the wheel. I don't see Daenerys replacing the current feudal dynastic power structure with her own version of it as breaking the wheel.

That’s why it’s important that Jon is the rightful King. He might be more open for fundamental change.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

The ultimate troll job would be Cersei episode next week with an ending of seeing her brother as a wight

I was mulling over my thoughts for what comes next, and I feel like we are in for a massive subversion of our expectations. My current operating theory is that the Battle of Winterfell actually does spell the end of the Night King (at great cost), and the final few episodes will deal with what's left of the northern forces battling Cersei and Euron for the throne - while conventional wisdom would have the Night King last until the finale.

I think that'd be a pretty big troll job - killing off "the big bad" halfway through the season, and having the final episodes resolve the conflicts of the seven kingdoms and determine who wins the Iron Throne.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Also, my second (but smaller, less established, theory) is that Danaerys is going to take herself out of the running for the Iron Throne. The subtle hints that she's the Mad King's daughter have resurfaced - her treatment of Tyrion, for example, her first reaction to Jon's news being that he has a claim to the throne, her repeated insistences to Sansa that the throne is her right, etc. - I think at some point she's going to realize it's all gone a bit to her head and that she isn't the person she wants to be and will acquiesce in the battle for the throne, likely to a very reluctant Jon.

 

[Blender]

That’s why it’s important that Jon is the rightful King. He might be more open for fundamental change.

I agree. Jon is the perfect person to take on some sort of dictator to fix the system role while a new power structure is implemented.