Post-Game Talk: Game #15 November 12th - Canucks lose to Leafs - 2-3 - Horvat & Miller

[Ginger Papa]

Bob Hartley or Mike Keenan

Sweet mother of pearl…..

 

[Canucks LB]

Grandma on 650 spitting facts right now lmao

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I don't recall ever being this disenchanted with the team before. I've been around for the entre ride. Over 50 years of disappointment is just about enough.

 

[logan5]

Martin was good, but I didn't think he made all these spectacular saves that everyone seems to think he made. He stopped the shots he should have. For the most part, the team didn't play that badly compared to lots of other games so far.

Find a way to win tomorrow, then we have a .500 road trip.

 

[Melvin]

There is no way Boudreau lasts another week right?

 

[Canucks LB]

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Remember the comments about how great Podz shot was last season?

Does he even have a SOG this year?

 

[m9]

I'm actually fascinated how this team comes out tomorrow. Will be very telling if there is any hope of this team bouncing back this year.

 

[Nomobo]

I don't recall ever being this disenchanted with the team before. I've been around for the entre ride. Over 50 years of disappointment is just about enough.

Same here.

 

[Jay26]

They came into a cancerous organization run by some of the most incompetent management in NHL history.

They were engrained in a losing culture with no standards or accountability while simultaneously being told they were the most super special Calder finalists ever. And turned into a cliquey boy band with loser attitudes and bad habits on and off the ice.

And in Boeser’s case, injuries obviously didn’t help. But his wrist problems aren’t causing him to not be able to move his feet and compete.

"cliquey boy band" is exactly the vibe this team gives off. I mean, you obviously have to have a certain degree of toughness to play hockey at a competitive level, nevermind make the best league in the world, but they just strike me as a group of guys that finish a game, shower and then go on Tik Tok.

 

[Sedinery]

Pathetic Canucks franchise is incapable of player development

Ruining prospect after prospect for years.

Benching a kid in Danila in Abby? Really? Benching Rathbone? Hardly ever playing Hogs, Podz

I feel so sorry for any player drafted by the Canucks

 

[m9]

It's on the table that the previous management group - despite being an awful team for like 8 years - didn't leave behind a single prospect that will play a meaningful role in the NHL.

 

[Nomobo]

"cliquey boy band" is exactly the vibe this team gives off. I mean, you obviously have to have a certain degree of toughness to play hockey at a competitive level, nevermind make the best league in the world, but they just strike me as a group of guys that finish a game, shower and go on Tik Tok.

Yup, the best three word description of what this bunch amounts to.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

They came into a cancerous organization run by some of the most incompetent management in NHL history.

They were engrained in a losing culture with no standards or accountability while simultaneously being told they were the most super special Calder finalists ever. And turned into a cliquey boy band with loser attitudes and bad habits on and off the ice.

And in Boeser’s case, injuries obviously didn’t help. But his wrist problems aren’t causing him to not be able to move his feet and compete.

Really? Caman.

In Boeser's case, yeah. Injuries have f***ed him up.

But being a bottom of the barrel team going nowhere fast is going to grate on you. I don't care how many millions of dollars you're using to dry your eyes.

The problem is that this is the EA NHL conundrum. You assemble a number of pieces together and on paper, everything looks great. Like going GM mode and just building a team however you like.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in the real world.

We also have the double whammy of people who have fully drunk the Benning Kool Aid and bought into guys like Podkolzin being on the precipice of being a superstar and following it up with comments like 'as constructed, this team is a playoff contender.' (lofl)

This team is a mishmash. It's clear the hope is that Demko would basically be able to stand on his head -- again -- and we'd be able to rattle off some wins with a free and loose system.

But our D is a mix of injured/aging/smallish/not really solid in their own end and expecting Thatcher to save the day every goddamned night is gonna also be draining.

At least with the early Luongo-era Canucks there was the idea of at least giving Luongo some help by getting "defensive defensemen" and playing a conservative game. Here? There isn't anything, really.

Management have really done none of these guys any favors. It's very familiar with the ABC-era Blackhawks, imo (although there were bigger issues going on there on the ownership side, with Dollar Bill Wirtz.)

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

f***ing bring back Mike Keenan.

 

[JiffyPB]

That's the risk with a volatile toolsy pick. Unfortunately, the Canucks development for skaters is so poor their only major success stories in the past 10 years are Zack MacEwen and Kevin Connauton. Being a skater who spends any significant amount of time with the Canucks development system is a black mark against you in terms of being an NHLer.

People criticize Delorme for his drafting between 2000-2012, but crickets on the org and Ryan Johnson for 10 years of utter failure at developing even just 1 regular skater in the NHL. At least Delorme nailed the 2004 draft with Schneider, Edler and Hansen.

 

[Hit the post]

f***ing bring back Mike Keenan.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

You could call it AwesomeInTheory

Aren't you the one who bitches and moans when I respond to your nonsense?

 

[Soups On]

You may or may not believe this but Boeser Myers, and Stillman are considerably worse in person.

Bear is a player. Needs to continue to play more and more. Chalk this as a win for Allvin.

I can see why Garland may get the scratch occasionally and I like him. Some big time floating and cherry picking from him when it really isn't appropriate.

Gap control by this team is so f***ing bad. They lose their checks because they collapse and stop moving their feet

 

[Melvin]

Remember the comments about how great Podz shot was last season?

Does he even have a SOG this year?

Who?

 

[Jay26]

That's the risk with a volatile toolsy pick. Unfortunately, the Canucks development for skaters is so poor their only major success stories in the past 10 years are Zack MacEwen and Kevin Connauton. Being a skater who spends any significant amount of time with the Canucks development system is a black mark against you in terms of being an NHLer.

People criticize Delorme for his drafting between 2000-2012, but crickets on the org and Ryan Johnson for 10 years of utter failure at developing even just 1 regular skater in the NHL. At least Delorme nailed the 2004 draft with Schneider, Edler and Hansen.

Yep. All the home run draft picks were such home runs that they made the NHL right away and competed for Calder trophies. After them it's an abyss wherein it feels like an accomplishment if the players are good enough to get a contract and play for the farm, nevermind develop into solid support players in the NHL. Nothing in between.

Even in Tampa not every draft pick made it but if they didn't make it, most of them ended up being good players at the AHL level and served the organization in that capacity. That team never has to sign too many AHL vet players. Feels like the Crunch are always 2/3 full of draft picks.

 

[me2]

There is no way Boudreau lasts another week right?

Green made it to December.

 

[biturbo19]

Wolanin has not looked very good in the AHL.

That's weird. He looked just fine went he went down.

 

[Melvin]

Really the most frustrating thing so far is that the abysmal player development program hat was such a disaster under benning has apparently not been improved thus far. Guys like Hoglander, Podkolzin and Rathbone do not seem to be on a great track, continuing the long established Canuck tradition of skaters looking great as rookies and then somehow not taking another step forward.

Maybe it was unrealistic to think that a new FO could turn player development around so quickly but it is quite obviously still a massive problem.

 

[Hit the post]

Green made it to December.

Bill LaForge made it to 20 games.