Free Agents and Trade Thread - Training camp edition

[showtime8]

There's two forwards that I'd like to throw out and wonder if there would be any interest:

- Jeff Carter - coming off surgery and at age 37 now, I wonder if LA would be willing to eat 1/2 the contract and move him. It's a huge gamble, but he's a serviceable player and would be something different to the 3rd line.

- Auston Watson - Nashville just gave him an extension, which makes it very unlikely he's traded, but a guy that would be great for the 4th line at a decent cost.

 

[stickty111]

Not sure if posted, but Elliiote said with McFarland leaving, could Boudreau be an option for the assistant coach position? He obviously wants to be a head coach first, but he might want to come to the team he loves. It will require buy in from Keefe, but could work.
All though a veteran laden coach with a young pup coach could be wierd.

Also again connects Thornton to the Leafs.

One of the names for defenceman he mentioned to the Leafs is Radko Gudas

 

[Menzinger]

Would like to see Nylander for Brodin and Foligno; especially if the Leafs could extend Brodin. The Wild will have to protect Dumba, Spurgeon and Suter as the last two have NMC for the upcoming expansion draft. Otherwise they would have to go to a 4 and 4 and that doesn't seem to make sense. If they believe they can turn Nylander into a C, all the more reason for the Wild to acquire him. Otherwise a Nylander and Andersen to Carolina could make sense.

I'm a fan of Brodin but don't think the Leafs would use him as a main piece for Nylander especially since he hasn't played on the right side in forever. An extension at the very least would need to be in place. Imo I'd take Greenway iver Foligno though in that de

 

[Amadeus]

The idea is to make the side options the shooters in the 1-3-1. The issue is they use Marner on one of sides. Wonderful passer obviously, but the shot isn't that threatening.

I think they could put more 5 v 5 at the net though.

Yeah, Marner has been using the same move on the PP and it's been figured out. That's why we should diversify our threats.

 

[ToneDog]

This roster is about 1.4Mish under the cap.

Nylander for Brodin and Greenway
Johnsson for Johns + 2nd/3rd

Sign me up but I dont think willie gets you both. We may need to add something IMO.

 

[Menzinger]

Not sure if posted, but Elliiote said with McFarland leaving, could Boudreau be an option for the assistant coach position? He obviously wants to be a head coach first, but he might want to come to the team he loves. It will require buy in from Keefe, but could work.
All though a veteran laden coach with a young pup coach could be wierd.

Also again connects Thornton to the Leafs.

One of the names for defenceman he mentioned to the Leafs is Radko Gudas

I'd think Boudreau will get. Head coaching offer, but I'd be very happy if he would be willing to take an assistantship with the Leafs

 

[Menzinger]

Sign me up but I dont think willie gets you both. We may need to add something IMO.

Brodin is good, but hes not that good. More like a solid #4. A guy who put up 30 goals in 70 games should be able to get a better player than him in a trade

 

[Menzinger]

Do you think Clifford is at the point in his career where he would be comfortable playing the Spezza schedule? Not every night, but 85-90% of games?

I think he'd may give the Leafs a deal on a 1 year deal but he'd want likely an indication he'd be a regular rather than guy with load managementn

 

[Amadeus]

I think he'd may give the Leafs a deal on a 1 year deal but he'd want likely an indication he'd be a regular rather than guy with load managementn

Is signing Clifford worth giving up a 2nd rounder? I think not.

 

[ToneDog]

Brodin is good, but hes not that good. More like a solid #4. A guy who put up 30 goals in 70 games should be able to get a better player than him

Willie also makes less cap money than cap hit so that could also be a trade chip.

 

[Gabriel426]

Brodin is good, but hes not that good. More like a solid #4. A guy who put up 30 goals in 70 games should be able to get a better player than him in a trade

I think people are under selling Willie, if people would look around the league, think at least half the teams don’t even have a 30 goals scorer. Which means if Willie is traded, he will instantly become the top goal scorer in half the teams in the league.

 

[Menzinger]

I think people are under selling Willie, if people would look around the league, think at least half the teams don’t even have a 30 goals scorer. Which means if Willie is traded, he will instantly become the top goal scorer in half the teams in the league.

Yeah.

I'd want a clear cut top pairing guy for him if he's traded.

 

[jaric1862]

After hearing Dubas talk to the media all day, I don't think any of the big 4 players will get traded. I think Johnsson,Kapanen, Dermott, and even potentially Andersen will all be moved for cheaper options. I think the Leafs will then go to Free Agency and pick up one of the top 4 Dmen.

 

[jaric1862]

I think people are under selling Willie, if people would look around the league, think at least half the teams don’t even have a 30 goals scorer. Which means if Willie is traded, he will instantly become the top goal scorer in half the teams in the league.

100% agree on this. I wonder what Dman would have to become available for the Leafs to do a 1-for-1 with William Nylander. Think thats the only possibility he gets traded.

 

[Havoc]

Leafs fans: Kadri for Barrie was so bust. Wish Kadri was still here

Also Leafs fans: Let's try again with Nylander.

Stop touching the talent that can't be replaced unless you tank. jeez

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Would like to see Nylander for Brodin and Foligno; especially if the Leafs could extend Brodin. The Wild will have to protect Dumba, Spurgeon and Suter as the last two have NMC for the upcoming expansion draft. Otherwise they would have to go to a 4 and 4 and that doesn't seem to make sense. If they believe they can turn Nylander into a C, all the more reason for the Wild to acquire him. Otherwise a Nylander and Andersen to Carolina could make sense.

4+4 does make perfect for wild. Don't know why people keep making this false logic.

Wild are & will only lose one player

Wild protect: Fiala, Zuccarello, Parise, Joel Eriksson Ek

D: Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon, & Dumba.

Will can & will most likely only lose one of donato or kunin.

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

This roster is about 1.4Mish under the cap.

Nylander for Brodin and Greenway
Johnsson for Johns + 2nd/3rd

Wild have no reason to do this & won't.

Foligno was not available for trade at deadline as he's wild captain next year.

Wild specifically Guerin didn't do Brodin or Dumba for Trocheck, so that should tell you wild wouldn't add Jordan Greenway to a Nylander trade

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Leafs fans: Kadri for Barrie was so bust. Wish Kadri was still here

Also Leafs fans: Let's try again with Nylander.

Stop touching the talent that can't be replaced unless you tank. jeez

Yea i think you actually get more out of trading lesser players anyways. Let's say you do move all of Kapanen/Kerfoot/Johnsson.

On the low end for each guy I would say:

Johnsson for 2 3rds
Kerfoot for 2nd/3rd
Kapanen for a 1st/4th

Gives you about $7.5M in cap space to fill other holes if you replace them with players making under $1M (Robertson/Barabanov/etc),

5 picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft giving you assets or the ability to restock the farm,

And the ability to retain your top talent without crushing your cap structure.

 

[KMNRB]

I did a calculation on the real dollar salary for our potential trade chips.

Marner (10.893 mil cap hit)
2020-21: 7.0116 mil over 5 years
2021-22: 6.1875 mil over 4 years (after paying out a 9.6 mil signing bonus in 21-22)

Nylander (6.9623 mil cap hit)
2020-21: 5.125 mil over 4 years
2021-22: 4.83 mil over 3 years

Kapanen (3.2 mil cap hit)
2020-21: 2.1 mil over 2 years
2021-22: 0.8 mil over 1 year

Johnsson (3.4 mil cap hit)
2020-21: 2.533 over 3 years
2021-22: 1.625 over 2 years
2022-23: 0.75 over 1 year

Kerfoot (3.5 mil cap hit)
2020-21: 2.666 over 3 years
2021-22: 1.725 over 2 years
2022-23: 0.75 over 1 year

I think these contracts look really attractive real dollar wise, and will become even more attractive next year. Lebrun specifically mentioned that Florida is a team under financial distress even before the pandemic (and that's why they traded Trocheck). So I wonder what it takes to get Ekblad.

Marner is least likely to be traded because there is still a 9.6 mil signing bonus to be paid out on July 1st 2021. But in one more year, his contract (6.1875 mil over 4 years) can be quite enticing for many cash-strapped teams.

Nylander contract stays pretty much the same because all the big bonuses have been paid out already. In that sense he is at the peak of his trade value given his contract (assuming there isn't another level of growth in his play next year). His cap hit is also reasonable. So he is most likely to fetch most in a trade.

 

[GBLeaf]

Leafs fans: Kadri for Barrie was so bust. Wish Kadri was still here

Also Leafs fans: Let's try again with Nylander.

Stop touching the talent that can't be replaced unless you tank. jeez

Completely agree. Trading Kadri for that package was a failure and it was instantly obvious.

Willie is very good value for his contract. IF money needs to be saved somewhere, one of the $10m+ guys should go, will create a lot more cap relief and leave a significant space for a quality D upgrade too.

 

[ToneDog]

Yea i think you actually get more out of trading lesser players anyways. Let's say you do move all of Kapanen/Kerfoot/Johnsson.

On the low end for each guy I would say:

Johnsson for 2 3rds
Kerfoot for 2nd/3rd
Kapanen for a 1st/4th

Gives you about $7.5M in cap space to fill other holes if you replace them with players making under $1M (Robertson/Barabanov/etc),

5 picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft giving you assets or the ability to restock the farm,

And the ability to retain your top talent without crushing your cap structure.

I cant see dubas risking his job going with unproven forwards for AJ, kappy and kerfoot.

If he can sign Tanev and Demelo he may not have to make major changes up front.

 

[mapleleafs34]

Leafs fans: Kadri for Barrie was so bust. Wish Kadri was still here

Also Leafs fans: Let's try again with Nylander.

Stop touching the talent that can't be replaced unless you tank. jeez

This.

You do a minor shake up this year and move Johnsson AND Kapanen. If they still fail next year, then you do a major move by trading Marner or Nylander.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Robertson	0.85	Matthews	11.634	Nylander	6.963
Mikheyev	1.5	Tavares	11	Marner	10.893
Korshkov	0.925	Kerfoot	3.5	Hyman	2.25
Clifford	0.9	Engvall	1.25	Asshole2	0.9
		Spezza	0.9
	Rielly	5	Asshole1	4.027
	Muzzin	5.65	Holl	2
	Dermott	1.75	Liljegren	0.864
		Sandin	0.894
		Andersen	5
		Campbell	1.65
		Kessel	1.2
		Total Cap	77.473
		Salary Cap	81.5
		Cap Space	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This only works if Dubas squeezes his remaining signings and trades guys like Kapanen and Johnsson.

Wonder what a couple of young 3M 20-20 wingers are worth in terms of draft picks. 1st or 2nd rounders?

 

[dubplatepressure]

Robertson	0.85	Matthews	11.634	Nylander	6.963
Mikheyev	1.5	Tavares	11	Marner	10.893
Korshkov	0.925	Kerfoot	3.5	Hyman	2.25
Clifford	0.9	Engvall	1.25	Asshole2	0.9
		Spezza	0.9
	Rielly	5	Asshole1	4.027
	Muzzin	5.65	Holl	2
	Dermott	1.75	Liljegren	0.864
		Sandin	0.894
		Andersen	5
		Campbell	1.65
		Kessel	1.2
		Total Cap	77.473
		Salary Cap	81.5
		Cap Space	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This only works if Dubas squeezes his remaining signings and trades guys like Kapanen and Johnsson.

Wonder what a couple of young 3M 20-20 wingers are worth in terms of draft picks. 1st or 2nd rounders?

Clilfford won't be back, Robertson won't be on the 1st line, and I'd love to see potential candidates for #1RD @ $4m

 

[A1LeafNation]

Clilfford won't be back, Robertson won't be on the 1st line, and I'd love to see potential candidates for #1RD @ $4m

Robertson will be in the top 6 imo. Top 2 lines are interchangeable, there is no #1 or #2 line on this team.