Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part V: Gorton is on McLeod Nine.

[haohmaru]

A generational goalie just isn't that important.

There's a reason just about every other top talent from this generation has a Cup and he doesn't.

Their teams didn't give away 1st round picks for years on end, sign dinosaurs as UFA's, let a top pairing RD walk for nothing, hire a coach without a defensive system, etc...?

Which one?

Those "top talent" guys who won Cups all played on better teams that were built more intelligently.

 

[Machinehead]

Their teams didn't give away 1st round picks for years on end, sign dinosaurs as UFA's, let a top pairing RD walk for nothing, hire a coach without a defensive system, etc...?

Which one?

Those "top talent" guys who won Cups all played on better teams that were built more intelligently.

To an extent, you're not wrong and our front office has absolutely wasted Lundqvist, but the 2015 Hawks and 2017 Penguins pretty much won the Cup because they can play superstars for 40 minutes. Those teams were built pretty poorly.

 

[Ola]

Trouba has his arbitration hearing. In the past five years, 124 players have applied for arbitration and just five rulings have been made. A couple have had their hearing but settled before the ruling.

Gorton had extensive talks with Chevy about Trouba two years ago.

We know Chevy liked Spooner from Boston. Brett Howden is a Winnipeg kid.

Trouba will get paid. He has obviously soured after how Chevy threated him two years ago and now he have a jack pot scenario within sight. Would we be interested in Trouba if Chevy decides to cut ties with him? We need size at RD. It’s so hard to find. I would love to get a bit more established D. The young forwards we get need support from a functioning blueline. You can’t have a young forward crew capable of taking the next step and then you decide to start to build a blueline. Keith and Seabrook were older than Toews and Kane. It’s often like that. OTOH Trouba will get paid a ton...

Hayes and TDA/Pionk?

Spooner, Howden and TDA/Pionk?

 

[haohmaru]

To an extent, you're not wrong and our front office has absolutely wasted Lundqvist, but the 2015 Hawks and 2017 Penguins pretty much won the Cup because they can play superstars for 40 minutes. Those teams were built pretty poorly.

Agree - those teams each had 3-4 players that were better than any of our (non goalie) players. But, that's not one Ovechkin away from winning a Cup, it's 3-4 Ovechkins away. I don't think the 2014-15 would've won a Cup with Talbot and Ovie. 14 games in those playoffs were decided by a single goal and Talbot had played a grand total of two playoff games going into that post season.

Our team(s) were simply not good enough and injuries played a pretty big part in a few of those runs. I think the team had the "heart" and maybe could've got it done a couple of those years despite the talent gap but injuries sank that ship. They would've needed to get there healthy and that seemed to never happen.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

wrong thread.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Trouba has his arbitration hearing. In the past five years, 124 players have applied for arbitration and just five rulings have been made. A couple have had their hearing but settled before the ruling.

Gorton had extensive talks with Chevy about Trouba two years ago.

We know Chevy liked Spooner from Boston. Brett Howden is a Winnipeg kid.

Trouba will get paid. He has obviously soured after how Chevy threated him two years ago and now he have a jack pot scenario within sight. Would we be interested in Trouba if Chevy decides to cut ties with him? We need size at RD. It’s so hard to find. I would love to get a bit more established D. The young forwards we get need support from a functioning blueline. You can’t have a young forward crew capable of taking the next step and then you decide to start to build a blueline. Keith and Seabrook were older than Toews and Kane. It’s often like that. OTOH Trouba will get paid a ton...

Hayes and TDA/Pionk?

Spooner, Howden and TDA/Pionk?

Not gonna get into a package discussion, but have numbers been reported from his arbitration? What would it take to keep him for long term, $7.5M?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Not gonna get into a package discussion, but have numbers been reported from his arbitration? What would it take to keep him for long term, $7.5M?

Jets put in for $4MM Trouba asked for $7. 1 year deal

 

[Mac n Gs]

Jets put in for $4MM Trouba asked for $7. 1 year deal

Surprised his cap% may end up that low. I’m curious to see where this ends up.

 

[Hire Sather]

how the f*** do we still have peter holland

holland and mcleod. figured they were just place holders at the end of last season and they're gonna be on the f***ing team?

shit man

 

[BBKers]

Troubahas always been on the NYR radar but he brings some luggage

 

[Hire Sather]

Jets put in for $4MM Trouba asked for $7. 1 year deal

Trouba always a problem to sign. He can be someone else's headache.

 

[darko]

$4M is such a lowball offer.

 

[Hire Sather]

A generational goalie just isn't that important.

There's a reason just about every other top talent from this generation has a Cup and he doesn't.

It isn't that important... anymore.

Hasn't been that way his whole career.

Not a comment on him having a cup or not, just saying. Having him in 2007 was more valuable than having him now, even if he was the same goalie now as he was then.

 

[Synergy27]

To an extent, you're not wrong and our front office has absolutely wasted Lundqvist, but the 2015 Hawks and 2017 Penguins pretty much won the Cup because they can play superstars for 40 minutes. Those teams were built pretty poorly.

It's simple really. The goalie, by definition, can only impact one aspect of the game. Yes, it's a critical aspect, but it's better if your top players skate out.

 

[Tawnos]

how the **** do we still have peter holland

holland and mcleod. figured they were just place holders at the end of last season and they're gonna be on the ****ing team?

**** man

We knew Holland was going to be back... he was on a 2-year deal. He's fine for depth purposes. Just one less 4A guy we need in the organization.

 

[Machinehead]

It isn't that important... anymore.

Hasn't been that way his whole career.

Not a comment on him having a cup or not, just saying. Having him in 2007 was more valuable than having him now, even if he was the same goalie now as he was then.

He wasn't really Hank yet in 2007.

 

[member 116805]

Zucc played well with Kopitar.

It's funny you keep writing this, cause he was centered by Nielsen with Gabby on the other wing

 

[Inferno]

It's simple really. The goalie, by definition, can only impact one aspect of the game. Yes, it's a critical aspect, but it's better if your top players skate out.

The rangers didn't fail to win a cup because Henrik was our best player or what not...we failed because we didn't put enough talent around him to win a cup and during his tenure made some of the worst free agent signings in recent memory to be the missing pieces. Anyone remember Drury? Gomez? Redden? Richards? None of those guys were worth a fraction of their contracts the way Henrik earned his.then signing guys like staal and girardi over stralman and yandle.


Henrik lundqvist isn't the reason we don't have a cup. Henrik lundqvist is the reason Glen sather still has a job.

 

[Inferno]

Making horrendous ufa signings while trading away draft picks like they were candy. It's amazing we didn't have 10 straight years.of being a bottom 10 team. Henrik has given me some of the beat hockey watching years of my life...it's been a privilege to watch this man nearly aingle handedly drag a mediocre team deep into the playoffs year after year.

 

[SA16]

I think Gomez time here is a bit misrepresented. He fell off after we traded him. He scored 70 points his first year and was second on the team after Jagr.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I think Gomez time here is a bit misrepresented. He fell off after we traded him. He scored 70 points his first year and was second on the team after Jagr.

Same with Drury...everyone vilifies him but his stats before he got hurt were comparable to his previous years (when he had better players around him).

 

[broadwayblue]

I think Gomez time here is a bit misrepresented. He fell off after we traded him. He scored 70 points his first year and was second on the team after Jagr.

I think he also led the league in shots into the center of the opposing goalie's jersey.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Peter Holland would make sense to help Wolfpack make the playoffs, but would not make any sense if he plays for the Rangers this season.

 

[TheTakedown]

Troubahas always been on the NYR radar but he brings some luggage

Didn't know he was always on NYR's radar.... Good to know there could be a move to make here. Rangers might finally have some assets. Did Trouba get top pairing minutes last year?

Is the drama with his girlfriend/significant other? Or are there other factors?

 

[Gardner McKay]

how the **** do we still have peter holland

holland and mcleod. figured they were just place holders at the end of last season and they're gonna be on the ****ing team?

**** man

Because we may have a lot of rookies in the line up. If they are not ready, we need bodies to play instead. It is quite simple really.