He is maybe in the list of top 3 overrated D-men who fans engage in all sorts of mental gymnastics to prop up to a level not supported by his production or analytics.
Fox vs Chabot
- Thread starter Northern Avs Fan
- Start date
He is maybe in the list of top 3 overrated D-men who fans engage in all sorts of mental gymnastics to prop up to a level not supported by his production or analytics.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
- Apr 27, 2005
- 33,680
- 29,943
I for one am shocked that a post criticizing Fox's poise and positioning ended up aging poorly.
You'd need to be nostradamus to see that coming.
Mobiandi
Registered User
- Jan 17, 2015
- 21,019
- 17,440
Mez
Registered User
- Nov 16, 2017
- 11,187
- 14,463
Ill vote fox because of the season hes having. They are close, both have a bright future imo.
Chabot isn't even the best defenseman over who was a first round pick, is over 6'2 and playing for a shitty team (which people use to excuse his poor play) in the Eastern Conference. That's Dahlin.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
Fox was nearly as good last year as a rookie just no one noticed. Tony D took away a lot of PP time from him otherwise his numbers would have really popped.
Hard not to pick Fox considering the godly season he's having
No disrespect to Chabot at all, but it seems like there's a bit of a localization bias from some of the posters here. People will catch on when they are forced to watch more than 8 teams.
No disrespect to Chabot at all, but it seems like there's a bit of a localization bias from some of the posters here. People will catch on when they are forced to watch more than 8 teams.
I dont understand the thought process to saying one player has a better track record than the other. Who is the better player right now?
- Apr 27, 2005
- 33,680
- 29,943
Track record? Fox's 107 game track record is better than anything we've ever seen from Chabot. By a nontrivial margin.
It goes without saying that Fox is so much better defensively that it's not even worth discussing, so I assume Chabot's track record your referencing is based on offensive production?
Since Fox entered the league, he's posted 13g 78p in 107 games, good for 6th among all defenseman. Over that same span, Chabot has scored 10g 63p in 108 games.
Keep in mind Fox was a rookie for the majority of those games, and was getting limited ice time for like the first half of the season. Chabot played >500 minutes more ice time since Fox's debut and was still outproduced handedly.
Since the end of December 2019 (as he started getting more ice time and PP opportunities), Fox has 61p in 68gp. That puts him first among all defenseman (carlson is next with 57 points). Chabot had 39 points in that span, and his career high is 55 points in 70 games.
NHL Stats
When has Chabot ever done anything like that? Never, because he can't create offense like Fox.
Combined with Fox's aforementioned defensive superiority, and this is not even remotely close.
- Apr 27, 2005
- 33,680
- 29,943
To be more fair, Fox is just a significantly better hockey player.
I don't get the love affair with Chabot. He's pretty much Mike Green. Talented with the puck but man does he cough the puck up a lot in the middle of his zone.
All that matters is size, draft position skating ability to a lot of posters. It doesn't matter than Fox outproduces Chabot offensively and isn't a defensive sieve like Chabot. He's only 5'11, a third round pick and can't outstate Chabot in a straight line.
As of today I can agree with this; but it doesnt mean we have to ignore reality, and Fox's team situation is far better as currently constructed.
NyQuil
Big F$&*in Q
This might be one of the worst player comparisons I've seen on this site.
Stick to pumping Johnny Gaudreau's tires and stop commenting on players you clearly haven't watched.
ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
Yikes. Chabot is stellar. When Ottawa gets slightly good again he'll reign among the best again; he's the only legitimate top 4 D on a putrid defensive team until the emergence of Zub, who himself is solid number 4 and nothing more. Chabot has entered pilot mode last little while cause of how much Ottawa relies on him for breakouts and he's been playing with bottom pairing defenders. Last two games we saw that elite level and remarkable ability from Chabot.
Comparing him to Green stylistically is an insult.
NyQuil
Big F$&*in Q
It's not really insulting because it's not even remotely applicable.
I don't know why Rangers/US fans are losing their shit in this thread but apparently this poll is driving them nuts.
- Apr 27, 2005
- 33,680
- 29,943
I've watched him play tons of hockey. He's got a lot of talent. Great skater and puck skills, sees the ice well, slippery through traffic, and isn't afraid to lead the rush or be first on the forecheck.
I'd say he's a hybrid of Green and Letang.
What? Why? Green was a point per game 25-26 minute defenseman in his prime.
Stylistically, they both have excellent hands in traffic and great pull and release wrist shots. They also both liked to carry the puck through traffic and come in very deep in the offensive zone.
I like Chabot's skating and vision a bit more, but Green probably had the better shot and was less adventurous with his breakouts. But defending really isn't either of their strengths.
Since when is comparing a young offensive defenseman to one of the best scoring defenseman of an era an insult?
TIL Mike Green was crazy underrated. I know he wasn't a stalwart defender but in the modern NHL it helps to have guys who can handle the puck and make plays. Green and Chabot both excel there. But Chabot is not on Fox's level.
ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
Not an insult of his ability but strengths. Chabot's defense is really good. His biggest strength is his tracking of the puck, positional play, and then leading the breakout including skating it out. Green was really good in the pass and ability in the offensive zone.
Like NyQuil said, the comparison makes little sense.
Chabot's carelessness with the puck and nonchalant play with it sometimes is what gets him in trouble. Rarely gets walked/beat.
NyQuil
Big F$&*in Q
Chabot can be an excellent off-the-puck defender and is relentless in terms of pursuing puck carriers in the defensive zone.
He's also surprisingly physical (laid out Zack Kassian tonight) and plays with a real chip on his shoulder, and is not afraid to mix it up around the net.
It's the kind of thing that doesn't show up in the highlights.
His flaw (because I'm being objective here, apparently Fox has none) in some of his worst performances this year is mental errors in terms of being too casual with the puck or errant passes.
Production wise, it's an absurd comparison because Ottawa has had virtually no veteran goal scorers on the team for the last two seasons.
Last edited:
Canes
Registered User
I'm here to take my L on this one. Fox is by far more superior and Chabot has a long ways to go to catch him. And Chabot is still a very good d-man.
Imagining Fox on this Canes team...
Imagining Fox on this Canes team...
- Apr 27, 2005
- 33,680
- 29,943
I actually agree about his off the puck defending, especially in one on one scenarios. I'd say his defensive positioning is just okay, but that's something that should get better with experience.
I will say that being physical or mixing it up around the net aren't necessarily "defensive" attributes. Lidstrom hardly ever threw a body check. Chabot can sometimes take himself out of the play over pursuing the puck carrier trying to finish with a hit - but like I said that should improve with maturity.
But, as I referenced in this thread back in February, he has those Letang like brain farts on a pretty consistent basis. When he has a shift like that it creates a ton of chaos and leads to unexpected high danger chances against. It's reminiscent of Taylor Hall's erratic play, though not nearly as detrimental because Chabot is a much smarter player.
If he could cut down (significantly) on his careless defensive zone decision making, he'd be a pretty good all around defender. But because those types of mistakes can be so impactful, the frequency with which he makes them more than offsets his off the puck defending.
Me saying that Fox is significantly better than Chabot shouldn't be viewed as an insult or attack on Chabot. It's just that I feel like Fox has that generational hockey IQ that could make him one of the best defenders in the history of the game.
If you told me that he'd end his career with 5+ Norris trophies it wouldn't shock me in the least.
Northern Avs Fan
Registered User
- May 27, 2019
- 21,970
- 29,648
Chabot is more talented in terms of physical traits and is an absurdly good skater for his size.
Fox is much more poised with the puck and better defensively.
Fox is much more poised with the puck and better defensively.
Ad
Latest posts
-
HF Habs: U18 World Men's Hockey Championship, April 25-May 5- Latest: WeThreeKings
-
-
Upcoming events
-
-
-
-
GAME 3 - Drummondville Voltigeurs @ Victoriaville Tigres - Drummondville Voltigeurs leads series 2-0Wagers: 1Staked: $35.00Event closes- Updated:
-
