Former Canucks Thread

[Hit the post]

Mobile refresh can lick my scrotum

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Forsling 5th goal, 15th point (would be 3rd on our D core)

I’ve been told by many posters on here that it was a nothing trade and we have no reason to be upset at Benning over it.

 

[PM]

Not re-signing Toffoli who wanted to come back for less than the cost of our backup goalie might be Benning’s worst move yet. Add in what we traded for the guy and it’s even worse. Could have fit him in without our crappy off ice disaster winger and another small contract too. Incredible.

 

[LordBacon]

I’ve been told by many posters on here that it was a nothing trade and we have no reason to be upset at Benning over it.

Man that draft was one of the best drafts I’ve seen.
Too bad we have an idiot gm who basically turned all those assets to shit

 

[Isi]

Not re-signing Toffoli who wanted to come back for less than the cost of our backup goalie might be Benning’s worst move yet. Add in what we traded for the guy and it’s even worse. Could have fit him in without our crappy off ice disaster winger and another small contract too. Incredible.

I mean, it's nowhere near the top, which just goes to how dire Benning has been.

 

[StreetHawk]

Not re-signing Toffoli who wanted to come back for less than the cost of our backup goalie might be Benning’s worst move yet. Add in what we traded for the guy and it’s even worse. Could have fit him in without our crappy off ice disaster winger and another small contract too. Incredible.

They could have fit him in if the moved off Jake and opted for a cheaper and less established veteran goalie. More of a Nilsson caliber in the $2.5 mill range. That would be $2.55 from Jake and $1.8 reduction in the goalies. That comes to $4.35 mill which is enough.

but two main issues was that the team still believed Jake could take another step and that they wanted more insurance for Demko. So goes to show that they over Believed on Jake and under believed on Demko.

 

[Zippgunn]

They could have fit him in if the moved off Jake and opted for a cheaper and less established veteran goalie. More of a Nilsson caliber in the $2.5 mill range. That would be $2.55 from Jake and $1.8 reduction in the goalies. That comes to $4.35 mill which is enough.

but two main issues was that the team still believed Jake could take another step and that they wanted more insurance for Demko. So goes to show that they over Believed on Jake and under believed on Demko.

"Under believed" on Demko eh? Guess that's why they handed him $25 million for having had 8 great weeks...

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Man that draft was one of the best drafts I’ve seen.
Too bad we have an idiot gm who basically turned all those assets to shit

He’s like the opposite of the Midas touch. Everything he touches turns into fecal matter.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Man that draft was one of the best drafts I’ve seen.
Too bad we have an idiot gm who basically turned all those assets to shit

hey now, nobody's turned demko into shit quite yet

 

[brokenhole]

He’s like the opposite of the Midas touch. Everything he touches turns into fecal matter.

The asscheek touch.

 

[MS]

hey now, nobody's turned demko into shit quite yet

Thank goodness we didn't, but if he was moved to Arizona in an OEL disaster trade - which sounds like it would have been very possible had Markstrom signed - that would have completed the perfect circle of shit for that draft.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Thank goodness we didn't, but if he was moved to Arizona in an OEL disaster trade - which sounds like it would have been very possible had Markstrom signed - that would have completed the perfect circle of shit for that draft.

always looking on the bright side

 

[bossram]

Man that draft was one of the best drafts I’ve seen.
Too bad we have an idiot gm who basically turned all those assets to shit

Which is why, as I've said so often here, that having a GM who is good at "managing" the team is much more important than having a GM that fancies himself as a master scout.

 

[bossram]

Interesting enough, I think the Bieksa trade was one of Benning’s best trades (the NoGoodBranSuck for a serviceable player being his best trade). Getting a 2nd round pick for a cap dump & taking no salary back (sorry Kev, you were well past your prime at that point) was a great move.

And then what did he use the pick on?

 

[RobertKron]

this is the story i've always heard too.

one wonders, what if instead of being the victim of canuck luck as always, we'd been able to keep larionov in '93 and '94 and still made the kron for craven trade...

Franchise-crippling move.

 

[VanJack]

I know it's only a small move in the scheme of things and hardly ranks up there with Benning's innumerable trade pratfalls, but the Gaudette for Highmore deal still rankles.

I mean it's not too early to assess Highmore for what he is--an AHL-NHL tweener. He's a depth forward who at the very most provides organization depth stashed in Utica.

The problem is that he's owned $750,000 for this year and next, regardless of whether he plays in the minors or not. So all they got is a guy who likely can't play for them, but will earn an NHL salary in minors and probably block the progress of a prospect who needs ice time in the hopes that one day he can make the Canucks.

So Jimbo accomplished the impossible. He traded a semi-useful player in Gaudette who may blossom in Chicago, for a guy who actually represents 'negative value' to your organization.

How does he manage to do it....time after time, after time?

 

[krutovsdonut]

this is the story i've always heard too.

one wonders, what if instead of being the victim of canuck luck as always, we'd been able to keep larionov in '93 and '94 and still made the kron for craven trade...

i don't know about the craven trade, but i believe to this day larianov was the wrong move that cost us the 94 cup and mitchell was the wrong move that cost us 2011. larianov may have cost us bure in the end also, because we also lost him as a translator and peacemaker as well as a consumate pro bure could have learned from.

with mitchell i guess it depends on whether we would have not signed hammer or not trade for ballard

 

[RobertKron]

i don't know about the craven trade, but i believe to this day larianov was the wrong move that cost us the 94 cup and mitchell was the wrong move that cost us 2011. larianov may have cost us bure in the end also, because we also lost him as a translator and peacemaker as well as a consumate pro bure could have learned from.

with mitchell i guess it depends on whether we would have not signed hammer or not trade for ballard

How was it the "wrong move?" Guy wouldn't sign here basically due to political reasons back home. Not really much you can do there.

 

[MS]

i don't know about the craven trade, but i believe to this day larianov was the wrong move that cost us the 94 cup and mitchell was the wrong move that cost us 2011. larianov may have cost us bure in the end also, because we also lost him as a translator and peacemaker as well as a consumate pro bure could have learned from.

with mitchell i guess it depends on whether we would have not signed hammer or not trade for ballard

'Wrong move' feels like the wrong terminology here.

Larionov wanted to stay, and we wanted to keep him. But he was talking a principled stance against having more money funneled back to the USSR on his back. And he was already 32, which was ancient for an NHL forward by the standards of the time. There wasn't really a lot else that could have been done.

In Mitchell's case, it was just awful timing. The guy had ongoing PCS symptoms when he hit UFA and it looked like his career, and then the symptoms cleared up late in the summer after we'd replaced him. We 100% took the right course of action as it would have been reckless to leave a huge hole in a contending team on a fingers-crossed situation that he would recover, when most guys in his age/situation don't.

Both were just bad luck and a bad collection of circumstances. Unfortunate.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Franchise-crippling move.

i don’t follow?

i don't know about the craven trade, but i believe to this day larianov was the wrong move that cost us the 94 cup and mitchell was the wrong move that cost us 2011. larianov may have cost us bure in the end also, because we also lost him as a translator and peacemaker as well as a consumate pro bure could have learned from.

with mitchell i guess it depends on whether we would have not signed hammer or not trade for ballard

i still think the decision, post-mitchell concussion, to cheap out on seidenberg at the deadline and settling for alberts changed everything

 

[krutovsdonut]

How was it the "wrong move?" Guy wouldn't sign here basically due to political reasons back home. Not really much you can do there.

apologies. i cannot back up my understanding so will shut this down.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

i don't know about the craven trade, but i believe to this day larianov was the wrong move that cost us the 94 cup and mitchell was the wrong move that cost us 2011. larianov may have cost us bure in the end also, because we also lost him as a translator and peacemaker as well as a consumate pro bure could have learned from.

with mitchell i guess it depends on whether we would have not signed hammer or not trade for ballard

Passing on Brendan Morrison when he did a PTO for us in the preseason I think could've made the difference in the Finals. He signed something around the $700-800k range so he could've easily fit under the salary cap.

Looked decent playing for the Flames that season, too.

 

[MS]

Passing on Brendan Morrison when he did a PTO for us in the preseason I think could've made the difference in the Finals. He signed something around the $700-800k range so he could've easily fit under the salary cap.

Looked decent playing for the Flames that season, too.

Yeah, we had Morrison and Schaefer in camp (Schaefer having not played for a year) and inexplicably kept Schaefer even though Morrison was better, had a better recent track record, and offered more positional versatility.

Schaefer lasted a month before it was obvious he couldn't keep up and was released.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Blackhawks’ Adam Gaudette anticipates big offseason after overcoming candidiasis

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Would love for Gaudette to become a star with the Blackhawks.

I remember the Flyers making an equally stupid move selling low on Patrick Sharp and tossing him out for Matt Ellison and a 3rd round pick.