Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Ryan Hartman to Dallas for Tyler Pitlick

[deadhead]

Heck, right now Vorobyev is the 3rd best center on LHV (behind Rubtsov and Bunnaman).

 

[Rich Nixon]

There's nothing mutually exclusive about Hakstol being a dick and a bad coach and Vorobyev being very bad in the games he got. Hakstol sucked, but Vorobyev really contributed nothing at the NHL level.

 

[hatcher]

There's nothing mutually exclusive about Hakstol being a dick and a bad coach and Vorobyev being very bad in the games he got. Hakstol sucked, but Vorobyev really contributed nothing at the NHL level.

He is a nothing and won't play for Philly again.

 

[Rich Nixon]

He is a nothing and won't play for Philly again.

Maybe he's something and maybe he will. But he certainly didn't earn it last season, which was disappointing. His preseason was quite good.

 

[hatcher]

Maybe he's something and maybe he will. But he certainly didn't earn it last season, which was disappointing. His preseason was quite good.

Mike Maneluk.

 

[Foggy14]

Players who struggle are often obtained by teams hoping they'll blossom on a new team and/or in a new scheme.
It's a gamble, but EXACTLY like gambling on a drafted player. Most don't work out, but a few do.

Hartman was a 1st rd pick, he had some success in the NHL, he had talent, there was real upside in obtaining him at 24 - if he plays well, they sign him for a couple years on a bridge RFA contract.

Obviously, they didn't like what they saw, but what did it cost them? Maybe a 3rd rd pick (and what are the odds that a 3rd rd pick plays in the NHL, much less 42 goals and 245 games by 24?). And that "3rd rd pick" was traded for a 4th line veteran forward on an attractive contract.

No harm, no foul.

Hartman never really seemed to fit. He has skill, but it’s not enough to be a top 6 player; he has a physical game, but doesn’t bring it consistently enough to fill an energy role; and, worst of all, he’s subpar defensively, which you really don’t want in a bottom 6 forward.

So he’s a “tweener” in multiple ways.

And, I think Fletcher wants to add another top 9 winger, & Hartman is the odd man out.

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if they sign Simmonds or Perry now. Seems like they intentionally opened up that spot.

Guys, it's better if you figure this out before you trade for them. That's why the pro scouts get paid, not to make gambles.

When your GM says he's traded for a guy who should fit in the top nine for the long-term and four months later he moves him for a fourth line guy, it's not good. It's not the end of the world, but it's not good.

Add that to other pro scouting misses we've seen and you have a concerning trend.

Sure, talent evaluation is never 100%, but pro scouting is decidedly easier than the amateur variety and our pro scouting has been mediocre in recent years.

History says that the Flyers were once very good at this; not perfect, but very good. Hopefully, Fletch will put his Harvard trained brain on this and make some changes because the Midas touch-in-reverse approach isn't doing the team any favors.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Vorobyev fooled me in the preseason. I thought he was going to be a player. Turned out to be a lightweight.

 

[Curufinwe]

Guys, it's better if you figure this out before you trade for them. That's why the pro scouts get paid, not to make gambles.

When your GM says he's traded for a guy who should fit in the top nine for the long-term and four months later he moves him for a fourth line guy, it's not good. It's not the end of the world, but it's not good.

Add that to other pro scouting misses we've seen and you have a concerning trend.

To be a pro scouting miss you'd have to know what other players were available in a trade for the corpse of Wayne Simmonds in February, 2019.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gordon gave his 4th line players that kind of PT as a group.
But Vorobyev simply didn't pass the eyeball test, he just didn't look NHL ready.

This is different than Lindblom, who even when he struggled, was doing all the little things, just couldn't "close the deal" on scoring chances. Just took time for the game to slow down for him.

He wasn't played enough to be accurately judged with even the simple eyeball test.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Guys, it's better if you figure this out before you trade for them. That's why the pro scouts get paid, not to make gambles.

When your GM says he's traded for a guy who should fit in the top nine for the long-term and four months later he moves him for a fourth line guy, it's not good. It's not the end of the world, but it's not good.

Add that to other pro scouting misses we've seen and you have a concerning trend.

Sure, talent evaluation is never 100%, but pro scouting is decidedly easier than the amateur variety and our pro scouting has been mediocre in recent years.

History says that the Flyers were once very good at this; not perfect, but very good. Hopefully, Fletch will put his Harvard trained brain on this and make some changes because the Midas touch-in-reverse approach isn't doing the team any favors.

I agree with you: The Flyers’ pro scouting has been poor for a while now. I’m hopeful that changes with Fletcher. Hartman wasn’t a HR, but let’s see how the other acquisitions go.

 

[DancingPanther]

Does Pitlick kill penalties? No way I'm risking what little braincells I have left backreading this drivel

 

[Curufinwe]

It's funny how two often used examples of the Flyers poor pro scouting, Bellemare and Filppula, went to new teams and had better years than they did in their final seasons under Hakstol.

Nothing to do with how they were used by Hak, of course. 30-something forwards usually improve as they age.

 

[deadhead]

Filppula:

Hakstol:
ES 8-19 27, Corsi 44.0, CorsiRel -7.4, E +/- -5.5
xGF/60: -.189, xGA/60: 0.034,
EV GAR: -3.5, SH GAR -3.1, Pen GAR 0.7
Trotz:
ES 16-14 30, Corsi 43.8, CorsiRel -4.3, E +/- -8.0
xGF/60: -.087, xGA/60: 0.035
EV GAR: 2.8, SH GAR -0.5, Pen GAR 1.8

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Lance Pitlick, Tyler's father, was a long time Flyer prospect who played in Hershey. Ended up getting dealt and played with Ottawa.

wonder if they are related to former flyer, noam pitlick.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Filppula:

Hakstol:
ES 8-19 27, Corsi 44.0, CorsiRel -7.4, E +/- -5.5
xGF/60: -.189, xGA/60: 0.034,
EV GAR: -3.5, SH GAR -3.1, Pen GAR 0.7
Trotz:
ES 16-14 30, Corsi 43.8, CorsiRel -4.3, E +/- -8.0
xGF/60: -.087, xGA/60: 0.035
EV GAR: 2.8, SH GAR -0.5, Pen GAR 1.8

Goes to show the difference an NHL system makes over a college system.

 

[Magua]

Goes to show the difference an NHL system makes over a college system.

Filppula might just have been the single luckiest forward in the NHL from a goals for and against standpoint. His fluky stat line is flirting with impossibility. His metrics were putrid and actually got worse with the Islanders. If his luck normalizes, he and his team are in for a world of pain.

 

[DancingPanther]

Filppula might just have been the single luckiest forward in the NHL from a goals for and against standpoint. His fluky stat line is flirting with impossibility. His metrics were putrid and actually got worse with the Islanders. If his luck normalizes, he and his team are in for a world of pain.

The Islanders crashing back to earth? What a real shocker that would be

 

[FlyerNutter]

I encourage anyone to search “armpit lick gif”.

Terrifying.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Hextall certainly overrated Filppula. Hated that trade then, hate it now. The last thing that Flyers team needed was a slow, declining early-30s center with no personality taking up $5M in cap space.

 

[deadhead]

We had cap room to spare and no depth.
Filppula was on a one year deal.
It's called "rebuilding."

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

wonder if they are related to former flyer, noam pitlick.

Nah, he has two younger cousins that are in NHL systems. One of them was just drafted over the weekend by Habs (Rhett Pitlick). The other (Rem Pitlick) is in the Preds system.

 

[landsbergfan]

Nah, he has two younger cousins that are in NHL systems. One of them was just drafted over the weekend by Habs (Rhett Pitlick). The other (Rem Pitlick) is in the Preds system.

That's almost as terrible as Tage and Tyce

 

[Curufinwe]

Hextall certainly overrated Filppula. Hated that trade then, hate it now. The last thing that Flyers team needed was a slow, declining early-30s center with no personality taking up $5M in cap space.

I didn't realize personality was so important to you, the guy who is whooping about acquiring Kevin Hayes.

The Flyers should probably give away Sushko and Kalynuk as a penalty for Flip being so boring, and ruining the 17-18 Flyers.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

We had cap room to spare and no depth.
Filppula was on a one year deal.
It's called "rebuilding."

There was no reason to add him at the deadline. They were a non-playoff team. It made no sense to limit their cap flexibility in the offseason by taking on a declining early 30s player. He also needlessly took up an expansion draft slot. He had been an 8 goal, 31 point player the prior season, and his numbers in 16/17 at the time of the trade were inflated from a hot start. He had 0 goals and 2 assists in the 12 games prior to the trade. Hextall did Yzerman a nice favor.

 

[Magua]

Acquiring mediocre players wasn't the problem for Ronald. There's a profitable market for mediocre, aging players whose reputations haven't caught up. It was not knowing what to do with them afterwards.

Filppula retained probably had some nice trade value. But he wasn't acquired as an asset. He was acquired to be a strong middle 6 center and help them make the playoffs. NHL evaluating was never his strong suit. Most every move was bunting for a single with the infield in.