TSN: Flyers and Provorov nowhere close to a contract

[Sasso09]

Not easy to acquire players like Marner. I get that the defense would be weakened, but Marner makes the team better—even at the cost of Provorov.

trading Provorov for Marner makes Philly worse.. even if Marner is the better player.

 

[Sasso09]

Nylander for Provorov straight up works for me. If Toronto needs a forward back then it could be Lindblom, but hes not free. And as others have suggested we dont really want picks. That's where the trade gets messy.

Maybe:

Provorov + Lindblom

For

Nylander + Ceci

Terrible. Huge add to Nylander to get Provorov

 

[hmc1987]

Terrible. Huge add to Nylander to get Provorov

Provy had a bad to very bad year this past season and his metrics supported that.

Nylander did not produce well, but had great metrics.

Provy for Nylander - where do I sign

 

[BrindamoursNose]

This will be unsettled till a week before camp.

Probably.

Re-signing Laughton helps shape it up a little bit. Now it's quite literally just TK and Provy we're waiting on.

 

[Liferleafer]

trading Provorov for Marner makes Philly worse.. even if Marner is the better player.

Moot point....that trade never happens from the Leafs end anyways.

 

[Cosmic avenger]

Provy is not going anywhere he is a #1d how is growing eat 24 min game without pp time so i know many are just looking at points in value.
I think marner is a budding superstar but so is provy.
Flyers have lots of young forwards coming

 

[Flukeshot]

Still no report on ask vs offer eh?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Provy had a bad to very bad year this past season and his metrics supported that.

Nylander did not produce well, but had great metrics.

Provy for Nylander - where do I sign

This is absolute proof that these metrics are useless when used in this manner.

 

[Random Forest]

trading Provorov for Marner makes Philly worse.. even if Marner is the better player.

This is not true. I would take Marner’s 90+ points every day of the week and then bet on Sanheim taking a big step, Gostisbehere bouncing back, and Myers becoming a solid contributor sooner than later.

I love Provorov, but Marner is clearly the more impactful player.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Let say that I would want to trade for his rights... What are the Flyers needs?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

This is absolute proof that these metrics are useless when used in this manner.

Why is it absolute proof? Because it contradicts your opinion?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Let say that I would want to trade for his rights... What are the Flyers needs?

Don't really have needs.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Don't really have needs.

Yikes

Didn't you guys like, not even make the playoffs lol

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Provorov for Laine

 

[Tripod]

Let say that I would want to trade for his rights... What are the Flyers needs?

a young #1 Dman

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Yikes

Didn't you guys like, not even make the playoffs lol

How about you tell me what our needs are then.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Provorov for Laine

This might actually suit both teams needs no?

 

[tictactoe]

trading Provorov for Marner makes Philly worse.. even if Marner is the better player.

I could disagree with that.

 

[Tripod]

This might actually suit both teams needs no?

No.

We don't "need" a RW since we have Voracek and Konecny who both produce as top 6 players. However trading Provy, means Hagg or Morin is in the top 6 D instead of Provy. That drop on D is way worse then the addition of what Laine would be.

Especially when on the prospect front, our next ready D would be Friedman...compared to Frost, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, etc... at F

 

[a mangy Meowth]

How about you tell me what our needs are then.

None, the Flyers are perfectly built and the odds-on cup favorite

 

[BrindamoursNose]

None, the Flyers are perfectly built and the odds-on cup favorite

That's what I thought.

Sit down.

 

[Dooble08]

Why is it absolute proof? Because it contradicts your opinion?

No, because Provorov played 25 minutes a night on average and started 57% of the time in the defensive zone. It's quite hard to be a metrics darling with those 2 stats. In fact none of the 5 defensemen who logged more TOI per game than Provorov started in the defensive zone that frequently. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure none of them were above 52% defensive zone start percentage. That's why we don't really pay attention to his advanced metrics.

With that being said, he didn't have a great year and surely didn't take a step forward from the previous year.

 

[Dooble08]

Provy had a bad to very bad year this past season and his metrics supported that.

Nylander did not produce well, but had great metrics.

Provy for Nylander - where do I sign

You can sign wherever you'd like. Luckily you aren't the GM, and hopefully Chuck Fletcher isn't dumb enough to trade Provorov for Nylander 1 for 1.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Yikes

Didn't you guys like, not even make the playoffs lol

If you're a betting man you'd wager that they're a wildcard to win the Cup.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

No.

We don't "need" a RW since we have Voracek and Konecny who both produce as top 6 players. However trading Provy, means Hagg or Morin is in the top 6 D instead of Provy. That drop on D is way worse then the addition of what Laine would be.

Especially when on the prospect front, our next ready D would be Friedman...compared to Frost, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, etc... at F

Laine is better /prefers left wing tho... ^