Value of: Faulk to Tampa

[VoluntaryDom]

what would it take ya think? Canes are one of my favorite teams and I like them but not rly sure what they would want for Faulk. Johnson seems like a solid base of a deal, since he has C and W versatility and is fast. Hedman-Faulk sounds fun as hell and adding another RHD gives Tampa a lot of lineup flexibility.

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[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Faulk For Johnson seems alright to me.

 

[PensandCaps]

Actually seems like a win-win for both teams.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Yeh Faulk for Johnson seems win-win from a neutral fan

 

[AKL]

Seems okay as a neutral fan, not sure what Johnson’s contract looks like but its not an anchor and he actually gives them a top 6 C til Aho-Necas can take over.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Faulk for Johnson is a fair hockey trade.

You would think that deal would have gone down by now, though. Both Faulk and Johnson had trade clauses kick in on July 1. Tampa is most likely not on Faulk's no trade list. Johnson waiving the other way is more of a question mark.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Value wise Faulk for Johnson works but that would give Tampa 9 one way defenders and 6 of them making 3mil or more. A defender would need to go back which Carolina doesn't really need though. It would also force us to scratch one of Girardi or Coburn if we can't trade either. Would do Johnson + Dotchin for Faulk + Wallmark. Then see if we could trade Coburn in a separate deal.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Value wise Faulk for Johnson works but that would give Tampa 9 one way defenders and 6 of them making 3mil or more. A defender would need to go back which Carolina doesn't really need though. It would also force us to scratch one of Girardi or Coburn if we can't trade either. Would do Johnson + Dotchin for Faulk + Wallmark. Then see if we could trade Coburn in a separate deal.

I like that idea. Wallmark is pretty ok and probably equal value to dotchin.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Hedman-Faulk
McDonagh-Stralman
Sergachev-Girardi

Or could flip Hedman and Stralman, or move Serg to the right, there’s options.

It does weaken our third line as

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Gourde
Killorn-Cirelli-Conacher
Erne-Paquette-Callahan

Is weaker but if cirelli can build on his success from last season it should be fine

 

[AndreRoy]

Why would Tampa do this? Our biggest problem in the playoffs has been the lack of scoring from our forwards and you want to trade the guy who in the last postseason created more high danger scoring chances than anyone besides Point and who in the previous couple of postseasons was our #2 scorer after Kucherov. In addition we just had the first season in years where Stamkos actually stayed healthy and you want to trade the guy who replaced him at 1C in all those years (yes we have Point now but Johnson would still be a much better option at 2C than Cirelli in the event that Stamkos goes down again.) We’re also short on right wingers and you want to trade the guy who locked down the 2RW spot after being moved there.

Meanwhile Faulk has only two seasons left on his deal; next season we have Stralman so we don’t need him and the season after that we can’t afford his cap hit unless we can somehow move Callahan. So why hurt our scoring depth and center depth and open up a huge hole in our top six for two years of a player we don’t need for the first year and will have difficulty affording for the second? We’re better off waiting a year and just paying the rental price for Faulk if he’s still available and we don’t think Foote or Cernak will be ready for big minutes.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Why would Tampa do this? Our biggest problem in the playoffs has been the lack of scoring from our forwards and you want to trade the guy who in the last postseason created more high danger scoring chances than anyone besides Point and who in the previous couple of postseasons was our #2 scorer after Kucherov. In addition we just had the first season in years where Stamkos actually stayed healthy and you want to trade the guy who replaced him at 1C in all those years (yes we have Point now but Johnson would still be a much better option at 2C than Cirelli in the event that Stamkos goes down again.) We’re also short on right wingers and you want to trade the guy who locked down the 2RW spot after being moved there.

Meanwhile Faulk has only two seasons left on his deal; next season we have Stralman so we don’t need him and the season after that we can’t afford his cap hit unless we can somehow move Callahan. So why hurt our scoring depth and center depth and open up a huge hole in our top six for two years of a player we don’t need for the first year and will have difficulty affording for the second? We’re better off waiting a year and just paying the rental price for Faulk if he’s still available and we don’t think Foote or Cernak will be ready for big minutes.

It wasn't lack of scoring from forwards it was lack of scoring in general. Faulk is one of the best goal scoring defenders and adds offense to the backend that we are lacking. Johnson isn't going back to center and we are loaded with prospects on the wings to replace him. Cirelli isn't ready to be a 2C just yet but Miller could fill in till Stamkos is healthy.

Yes Faulk has two years left but that's not a bad thing, we just need him for that time as we have RD prospects who'll be more than ready to replace him by then. It also frees up capspace then which we could use on younger players. We have Johnson for 6 years which we don't need him for. You're overthinking our cap issues and if we move Johnson for Faulk we gain a little space and could afford everyone still. It allows us to let Stralman walk as his offense isn't their anymore and we need more outside of Hedman and Sergachev.

 

[spockBokk]

Would do Faulk for Johnson easily from a CAR perspective.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Hedman-Faulk
McDonagh-Stralman
Sergachev-Girardi

Or could flip Hedman and Stralman, or move Serg to the right, there’s options.

It does weaken our third line as

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Gourde
Killorn-Cirelli-Conacher
Erne-Paquette-Callahan

Is weaker but if cirelli can build on his success from last season it should be fine

So what do we do with Coburn? If someone has to move, it's him not Dotchin.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

So what do we do with Coburn? If someone has to move, it's him not Dotchin.

Why not both?

Koekkoek can stick around as the 7. Coburn could be flipped for at least a 4th.

 

[MagicalRazor]

WOW an OP did it, they make a fair trade , pretty sure i hear Post Malone Congratulations playing in the back ground

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Why are we acting like we can take on Faulk? We can't. We have too many signed defenseman. The only reason Karlsson would have worked is because we would have to trade one for him. Carolina won't take Coburn, trading Dotchin does nothing for us. While Faulk for Johnson is good, this is dumb move for the franchise because we end up sitting Coburn or Girardi which is a good amount of wasted cap. And don't act like it's going to be easy to move Coburn, not too many teams need a bottom pairing defenseman making 3.5 million this season. No one is going to do us that favour.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Why not both?

Koekkoek can stick around as the 7. Coburn could be flipped for at least a 4th.

So you expect Carolina to take 2 more defenseman when they are trying to move on because they have no space for him? Seriously?

Misread that. You are expecting a team to take 3.5 million bottom pairing Coburn to do us a solid? I get Yzerman is good but the whole league isn't there to do us a favour.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I thought Tampa was good on RD with Stralman Sergachev Moore and Cernak

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I thought Tampa was good on RD with Stralman Sergachev Moore and Cernak

It's the Karlsson brain worm which infiltrated a bunch of Tampa fans. They think because we went for Karlsson, that we are in a massive hunt for a star RD. But the only reason we were in the hunt for Karlsson was because it is Erik Karlsson.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

So you expect Carolina to take 2 more defenseman when they are trying to move on because they have no space for him? Seriously?

Misread that. You are expecting a team to take 3.5 million bottom pairing Coburn to do us a solid? I get Yzerman is good but the whole league isn't there to do us a favour.

Coburn is 1 year and if no one wants him he can take popcorn duty

 

[MMC]

that 3rd line sucks dom

 

[DistantThunderRep]

C

Coburn is 1 year and if no one wants him he can take popcorn duty

Cool, let's just tie up another 3.5 million because reasons...

 

[VoluntaryDom]

C

Cool, let's just tie up another 3.5 million because reasons...

It’s just for the season lol chill

 

[DistantThunderRep]

It’s just for the season lol chill

Good management of cap and assets right there. Seems like a great idea, replace Johnson production with less, and tie up 3.5 million on a team at the cap on the bench. Whether it's a year or 3 years, having that much dead cap space that isn't on the ice is just a dumb move. Also LTIR, you get cap space back, and extra roster players who sit in the press box typically don't make 3.5 million.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Good management of cap and assets right there. Seems like a great idea, replace Johnson production with less, and tie up 3.5 million on a team at the cap on the bench. Whether it's a year or 3 years, having that much dead cap space that isn't on the ice is just a dumb move. Also LTIR, you get cap space back, and extra roster players who sit in the press box typically don't make 3.5 million.

We have 2.65 in space with a full roster. We swap Faulk for Johnson and we have 2.8. if we do the Dotchin for Wallmark part we get close to 3mil in space. So no cap issues and more than enough to make moves throughout the year. We can easily go 11/7 and play Coburn and Girardi. Either way teams at the deadline are always adding a vet on an expiring deal like Coburn or Girardi so this way we don't have to make a depth move at the deadline.

As for Johnson we can move Gourde up to replace him on the 2nd line. We have a plethora of NHL ready wings who could go on the 3rd line and give us solid production. We lose a little offense up top but add a lot on the backend which we lost once Stralman lost his offensive game. Would let McDonagh not have to carry a heavy offensive load as well. It also allows us to resign Gourde as it will be hard right now with Johnson on the team.