Expansion draft thread

[Lunatik]

But I really want him to be good, does that count for anything?

I wish it did, Leland Irving would be the next Patrick Roy, Morgan Klimchuk would be a star, and Kylington would be a #1 defenseman lol

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Good article by the Hockey Writers

Kracken can do better than Brent Burns

Those knocks on Burns are something that goes for most of those higher paid guys left unprotected, IMO, and given our heavy investment in analytics, I doubt we'll take many of those guys.

Of course, unless there's a really big incentive thrown our way to do so.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Seattle has a unique chance. Now the club is in a special position.
Before the expansion draft, there is Seattle and there are all the others.
After the expansion draft, Seattle is one of the other NHL teams.

Seattle needs to get the maximum number of draft picks.
Leaving the team competitive.
Able to make the playoffs from the first season.
For this it is important - the appointment of a good head coach.

The correct sequence of actions is important.
First - getting 1st from trades with bad contracts.
Next - getting 2nd, 3rd (from deals on abandonment of certain players) when drafting an expansion.
Next is the right choice of players in the expansion draft.
Next up is choosing the right UFA players. The main thing is the term of the contract and the absence of NMC.

Bad contracts exchange.
The preference is for bad contracts (with overpriced AAV) of good players.
The minimum cost of one bad contract (term - 1.2 years) = 1st.
Changes to compensation are possible.

Player with bad contract = exchange price - this is true from a simple mathematical point of view.
In fact, this is not the case. This is true of any other club (except Seattle).
Seattle takes a bad contract (in the expansion draft).
Seattle loses a player - whom it could have taken (without an agreement).
Seattle's real profits are less. This must be taken into account.

Transactions:
From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + (3rd 21 / Barré-Boulet / Foote).
From Florida - Yandle + Strålman = 1st 22 + (1st 23 / Lundell).
From Calgary - Lucic = 1st 21

KILLORN (4.5) + JOHNSON (5.0) + LUCIC (5.3) + MCDONAGH (6.7) + YANDLE (6.4) + STRÅLMAN (5.5) = $33.4m.

Additional bad contract for 1 year (up to $ 2.0 per year - after redemption) = 1st 21
The specified players with bad contracts can be replaced.
Bad contracts reserve: Eriksson, Komarov, Ladd, Neal and many others.
Possible savings - transferring players to a taxi squad.

Seattle's bottom line profit from taking bad contracts:
2 (1st 21) + 2 (1st 22) + 2 (1st 23).
Excluding - 2nd, 3rd earned during the expansion draft.

The team will be able to shape a good future for the club in the medium term in two to three years.
The main thing is to properly draft the expansion.
Before the expansion draft, there is Seattle and there are all the others.

 

[Mike Jones]

Good article by the Hockey Writers

Kracken can do better than Brent Burns

Those knocks on Burns are something that goes for most of those higher paid guys left unprotected, IMO, and given our heavy investment in analytics, I doubt we'll take many of those guys.

Of course, unless there's a really big incentive thrown our way to do so.

Seattle can only take on so many huge contracts. Does San Jose have the picks and prospects necessary to get Burns off their books?

 

[Krakhead]

I wish it did, Leland Irving would be the next Patrick Roy, Morgan Klimchuk would be a star, and Kylington would be a #1 defenseman lol

And 18 year old Sam Bennet would have been the Flames best center since Joe Nieuwendyk

 

[Lunatik]

And 18 year old Sam Bennet would have been the Flames best center since Joe Nieuwendyk

Nah, I never thought Bennett should be a center, he's not smart enough, not disciplined enough, not good enough defensively. If handed properly and not gifted a roster spot as a 19 year old, he might have become a low end 1st line winger. Right now he's riding the coattails of Huberdeau, but he'll come crashing back to earth next year. I'm just glad the Flames traded him so Seattle isn't tempted to take him.

 

[Domme90]

What is your thought in Sturm from Minnesota ?

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

The reality is every Avs fan is hoping EJ will waive. If you where EJ would you waive your NMC to leave that situation? IMO that is a pipe dream to expect EJ to waive.

If EJ doesn't waive they will buy him out that's a guarantee!

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Nah, I never thought Bennett should be a center, he's not smart enough, not disciplined enough, not good enough defensively. If handed properly and not gifted a roster spot as a 19 year old, he might have become a low end 1st line winger. Right now he's riding the coattails of Huberdeau, but he'll come crashing back to earth next year. I'm just glad the Flames traded him so Seattle isn't tempted to take him.

I had Bennett ticketed to the Kraken before the trade for almost 2 years! Now its going to be O Kylington

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Seattle can only take on so many huge contracts. Does San Jose have the picks and prospects necessary to get Burns off their books?

The Sharks have a pretty slim talent pool and are in a rebuilt/retool, which means they can't/shouldn't trade away the picks and/or youth it would take for other teams to take on that contract or the ones of Vlasic and Karlsson.

What is your thought in Sturm from Minnesota ?

I like him quite a bit and he's showing more and more that he can be a useful bottom six center in the league.
Though, it might be my German bias kicking in a little bit.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Seattle has a unique chance. Now the club is in a special position.
Before the expansion draft, there is Seattle and there are all the others.
After the expansion draft, Seattle is one of the other NHL teams.

Seattle needs to get the maximum number of draft picks.
Leaving the team competitive.
Able to make the playoffs from the first season.
For this it is important - the appointment of a good head coach.

The correct sequence of actions is important.
First - getting 1st from trades with bad contracts.
Next - getting 2nd, 3rd (from deals on abandonment of certain players) when drafting an expansion.
Next is the right choice of players in the expansion draft.
Next up is choosing the right UFA players. The main thing is the term of the contract and the absence of NMC.

Bad contracts exchange.
The preference is for bad contracts (with overpriced AAV) of good players.
The minimum cost of one bad contract (term - 1.2 years) = 1st.
Changes to compensation are possible.

Player with bad contract = exchange price - this is true from a simple mathematical point of view.
In fact, this is not the case. This is true of any other club (except Seattle).
Seattle takes a bad contract (in the expansion draft).
Seattle loses a player - whom it could have taken (without an agreement).
Seattle's real profits are less. This must be taken into account.

Transactions:
From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + (3rd 21 / Barré-Boulet / Foote).
From Florida - Yandle + Strålman = 1st 22 + (1st 23 / Lundell).
From Calgary - Lucic = 1st 21

KILLORN (4.5) + JOHNSON (5.0) + LUCIC (5.3) + MCDONAGH (6.7) + YANDLE (6.4) + STRÅLMAN (5.5) = $33.4m.

Additional bad contract for 1 year (up to $ 2.0 per year - after redemption) = 1st 21
The specified players with bad contracts can be replaced.
Bad contracts reserve: Eriksson, Komarov, Ladd, Neal and many others.
Possible savings - transferring players to a taxi squad.

Seattle's bottom line profit from taking bad contracts:
2 (1st 21) + 2 (1st 22) + 2 (1st 23).
Excluding - 2nd, 3rd earned during the expansion draft.

The team will be able to shape a good future for the club in the medium term in two to three years.
The main thing is to properly draft the expansion.
Before the expansion draft, there is Seattle and there are all the others.

I've seen these crazy posts of yours in a few threads. You expect Tampa to trade you a top pair D, will be the best available if we make him, top 6 forward, top 9 forward, two 1sts, 2nd and one of our top prospects for nothing? Not happening pal.

 

[HoseEmDown]

What I came in here to see is if Tampa offered Cirelli to Seattle for a 3rd if they took Johnson in the ED would you do it?

 

[Lunatik]

What I came in here to see is if Tampa offered Cirelli to Seattle for a 3rd if they took Johnson in the ED would you do it?

I'd be all over that like a fat kid on cake

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Kraken interested in Chris Driedger

Not a big surprise, especially with the options from Florida during the expansion draft, and I wouldn't mind seeing Driedger in Seattle.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

I've seen these crazy posts of yours in a few threads. You expect Tampa to trade you a top pair D, will be the best available if we make him, top 6 forward, top 9 forward, two 1sts, 2nd and one of our top prospects for nothing? Not happening pal.

I read your comment.
At first I did not believe it, then I laughed.
I reread it again, believed it, then laughed again.

Need to have a sense of humor on Hfboards.
I wrote: From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + (3rd 21 / Barré-Boulet / Foote).
I hope you understand that + (3rd 21 / Barré-Boulet / Foote) = one of three compensation.
I will make it easier for you to understand the total compensation.
From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + 3rd 21.
Seattle gets everyone.
You wrote: You expect Tampa to trade you a top pair D, will be the best available if we make him, top 6 forward, top 9 forward, two 1sts, 2nd and one of our top prospects for nothing?
I see it differently.
I wrote:
Seattle loses a player - whom it could have taken (without an agreement).
Seattle's real profits are less. This must be taken into account.
From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + 3rd 21.
From Tampa - Medium Contract (UFA 23) + Bad Contract (UFA 24) + Bad Contract (UFA 26) = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + 3rd 21.
Tampa was unable to trade Killorn and Johnson for free.
Do you think there will be many teams looking to get hold of McDonagh?
Killorn and Johnson (about $ 9,500,000) = Kucherov ($ 9,500,000).
The problem of the salary cap remains.
The right-back problem remains.
Do you propose to solve it again in the 2022 deadline?
By the Savard (1st) swap?
Risk of losing your player to the Expansion Draft?
In 2021:
Coleman, Goodrow, Savard contract is ending (UFA - about $ 3,800,000).
Barré-Boulet (RFA - $?, ???, ???) contract ends.
In 2022:
Palat Contract Ending (UFA - $ 5,300,000).
Point contract expires (RFA - $?, ???, ???).
In 2023:
The contract Cirelli, Sergachev, Cernak (RFA - $?, ???, ???).
Tampa has three players to switch.
The exchange will allow Tampa to sign for the next RD season (eg Savard).
Sign UFA (Stanley Cup Dreams) players.
Or add ELC to the players.
GM Tampa will have options.

This is my opinion.
What do you think? What is the price for the players I have indicated?
Let's consider them separately. Exchange to any club.
Johnson = ???
Killorn = ???
Mcdonagh = ???
Waiting for your reply.
I want to learn from a specialist like you.

 

[Lunatik]

Kraken interested in Chris Driedger

Not a big surprise, especially with the options from Florida during the expansion draft, and I wouldn't mind seeing Driedger in Seattle.

I'm not sure I would take him, it would all depend greatly on what Ottawa does with Gus and Murray, I think Gus could be a franchise goalie, and it is Ottawa

 

[StreetHawk]

What I came in here to see is if Tampa offered Cirelli to Seattle for a 3rd if they took Johnson in the ED would you do it?

Think it really comes down to when Seattle believes it can make the playoffs.

Going to be several high paid guys with term who will be made available for the ED as teams are prepared to offer up the likes of Duchene, McDonaugh, etc. and redistribute their cap hits if needed. With a flat cap, better to protect your younger cheaper options.

Cirelli over whatever you can get from TB without taking back Johnson and saving that cap space is the question.

Fully expect teams to just protect whomever they can and just let Seattle take the player. They don't want to get caught like Anaheim, Minnesota did and give up excellent young players and then virtually do nothing with the veterans that they kept.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I'm not sure I would take him, it would all depend greatly on what Ottawa does with Gus and Murray, I think Gus could be a franchise goalie, and it is Ottawa

They're certainly not going to protect Murray over Gustavsson.

Driedger would need to agree to sign an extension anyways.

Think it really comes down to when Seattle believes it can make the playoffs.

Going to be several high paid guys with term who will be made available for the ED as teams are prepared to offer up the likes of Duchene, McDonaugh, etc. and redistribute their cap hits if needed. With a flat cap, better to protect your younger cheaper options.

Cirelli over whatever you can get from TB without taking back Johnson and saving that cap space is the question.

Fully expect teams to just protect whomever they can and just let Seattle take the player. They don't want to get caught like Anaheim, Minnesota did and give up excellent young players and then virtually do nothing with the veterans that they kept.

No one should expect teams to do the same deals they did with Vegas or us being as succuessfull, right out of the gate, as the Golden Knights.
Teams had way more time to prepare their rosters for this one and won't be caught off guard as much as they were four years ago.

Though, there are still quite a few teams in need of cap flexibility and Francis just needs to find the ones willing to make a deal that actually benefits us.

 

[gstommylee]

They're certainly not going to protect Murray over Gustavsson.

Driedger would need to agree to sign an extension anyways.



No one should expect teams to do the same deals they did with Vegas or us being as succuessfull, right out of the gate, as the Golden Knights.
Teams had way more time to prepare their rosters for this one and won't be caught off guard as much as they were four years ago.

Though, there are still quite a few teams in need of cap flexibility and Francis just needs to find the ones willing to make a deal that actually benefits us.

There's a huge difference between being successful out of the gate and what Vegas did? Teams also didn't expect a virus mess to cause $$$ issues forcing a flat cap for the next several seasons. SO what plan they had to deal with us was thrown out the window.

 

[The Marquis]

Kraken interested in Chris Driedger

Not a big surprise, especially with the options from Florida during the expansion draft, and I wouldn't mind seeing Driedger in Seattle.

It's not that I'm super keen on Driedger, it's that specific players are finally being talked about by other clubs as they relate to the Kraken. That's cool and makes it feel more real. Driedger would be fine, I'm just not sure the Kraken shouldn't shoot higher, and I'm not entirely certain they won't, even with this news.

 

[HoseEmDown]

I read your comment.
At first I did not believe it, then I laughed.
I reread it again, believed it, then laughed again.

Need to have a sense of humor on Hfboards.
I wrote: From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + (3rd 21 / Barré-Boulet / Foote).
I hope you understand that + (3rd 21 / Barré-Boulet / Foote) = one of three compensation.
I will make it easier for you to understand the total compensation.
From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + 3rd 21.
Seattle gets everyone.
You wrote: You expect Tampa to trade you a top pair D, will be the best available if we make him, top 6 forward, top 9 forward, two 1sts, 2nd and one of our top prospects for nothing?
I see it differently.
I wrote:
Seattle loses a player - whom it could have taken (without an agreement).
Seattle's real profits are less. This must be taken into account.
From Tampa - Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + 3rd 21.
From Tampa - Medium Contract (UFA 23) + Bad Contract (UFA 24) + Bad Contract (UFA 26) = 1st 22 + 1st 23 + 2nd 23 + 3rd 21.
Tampa was unable to trade Killorn and Johnson for free.
Do you think there will be many teams looking to get hold of McDonagh?
Killorn and Johnson (about $ 9,500,000) = Kucherov ($ 9,500,000).
The problem of the salary cap remains.
The right-back problem remains.
Do you propose to solve it again in the 2022 deadline?
By the Savard (1st) swap?
Risk of losing your player to the Expansion Draft?
In 2021:
Coleman, Goodrow, Savard contract is ending (UFA - about $ 3,800,000).
Barré-Boulet (RFA - $?, ???, ???) contract ends.
In 2022:
Palat Contract Ending (UFA - $ 5,300,000).
Point contract expires (RFA - $?, ???, ???).
In 2023:
The contract Cirelli, Sergachev, Cernak (RFA - $?, ???, ???).
Tampa has three players to switch.
The exchange will allow Tampa to sign for the next RD season (eg Savard).
Sign UFA (Stanley Cup Dreams) players.
Or add ELC to the players.
GM Tampa will have options.

This is my opinion.
What do you think? What is the price for the players I have indicated?
Let's consider them separately. Exchange to any club.
Johnson = ???
Killorn = ???
Mcdonagh = ???
Waiting for your reply.
I want to learn from a specialist like you.

What did I just read? I thought a Bernmeister post was tough to get through this is much worse.

Killorn has a fine contract, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it or him. We didn't try to give him away for free at all, we never even discussed trading him. Johnson yes we want to move and his contract is high but he's still an NHL quality player, we aren't going to be held over a barrel attempting to move him. McDonagh contract is fine right now, could it be bad in a few years who knows but we are in a win now mode and he's still a very good player.

So out of the 3 players you mentioned we have interest in trading just one of them. We could possibly attach a 1st to Johnson to try to move him if we become desperate but we don't know if we will, we didn't do it this year when we shopped him. We can trade players like Johnson, Killorn and Palat who all will have modified NTC this summer. We could trade Cirelli as well. We could just let Seattle take any player and go from there. We aren't going to trade multiple players who helped us win the Cup last year plus high end draft picks.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Think it really comes down to when Seattle believes it can make the playoffs.

Going to be several high paid guys with term who will be made available for the ED as teams are prepared to offer up the likes of Duchene, McDonaugh, etc. and redistribute their cap hits if needed. With a flat cap, better to protect your younger cheaper options.

Cirelli over whatever you can get from TB without taking back Johnson and saving that cap space is the question.

Fully expect teams to just protect whomever they can and just let Seattle take the player. They don't want to get caught like Anaheim, Minnesota did and give up excellent young players and then virtually do nothing with the veterans that they kept.

The thing with Cirelli is that we have a spot to protect him if we wanted. So if you want him it would need to be through a trade most likely. Not sure who else would be available but getting Cirelli could secure your 2C spot for years. Out of all the bad contracts to dump I don't think Johnson would be the worst. He still could be a 30-40 point player, Washington native and popular with the ladies so could help with that part of the fan base.

 

[CupInSIX]

Kraken interested in Chris Driedger

Not a big surprise, especially with the options from Florida during the expansion draft, and I wouldn't mind seeing Driedger in Seattle.

They might have both Nutivara and Forsling exposed. I would hope Francis gets something for not picking one of them.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

What did I just read? I thought a Bernmeister post was tough to get through this is much worse.

Killorn has a fine contract, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it or him. We didn't try to give him away for free at all, we never even discussed trading him. Johnson yes we want to move and his contract is high but he's still an NHL quality player, we aren't going to be held over a barrel attempting to move him. McDonagh contract is fine right now, could it be bad in a few years who knows but we are in a win now mode and he's still a very good player.

So out of the 3 players you mentioned we have interest in trading just one of them. We could possibly attach a 1st to Johnson to try to move him if we become desperate but we don't know if we will, we didn't do it this year when we shopped him. We can trade players like Johnson, Killorn and Palat who all will have modified NTC this summer. We could trade Cirelli as well. We could just let Seattle take any player and go from there. We aren't going to trade multiple players who helped us win the Cup last year plus high end draft picks.

At first I smiled at the first line of your comment.
Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh are good players.
Much has been written about the attempts to exchange Killorn and Johnson.
We agree with Johnson. This is a bad contract.
We disagree with Killorn. I wrote that he has an average contract.
We disagree with Mcdonagh. I wrote that he had a bad contract.
When determining a bad contract - the expiration date of the contract matters a lot.
Good thing you wrote Johnson's estimated cost (1st).
I think a little more - 1st + 3rd. It's close.
It's too bad you didn't write the estimated cost for Killorn and Mcdonagh.
Minimum - Tampa needs to free $ 9,500,000.
Optimal - Tampa needs an additional $5,000,000 - $7,000,000 free.
I wrote the reasons in commentary # 990.
The Palat exchange (UFA 2022 - $ 5,300,000) is not the best solution.
The Cirelli exchange is not the best solution. Tampa will fight for the Stanley Cup 21/22/23 ...
Stamkos' health raises questions. Exchanging Cirelli (in order to get free money) can cause serious damage to the team.
Next, you need to exchange the Point (in order to get free money) having received draft picks.
Tampa can: trade valuable players, trade bad contracts, buy out bad contracts, LTIR tricks.
Any combination of the above.
GM Tampa can take any path.
It will be interesting for me to watch this.
I think I suggested one of the best ways.
Just look: players' positions, years of UFA, RFA, team weaknesses, possible future problems.
We think differently about the Mcdonagh trade.
Arguing about this is useless. I am convinced of my opinion, you are of yours.
I think this is the best exchange candidate after Johnson.

There is no point in arguing about this in the Seattle topic.
Seattle may choose the best player in Tampa (available) in the expansion draft (without an agreement).
Tampa can change Johnson to Seattle or another club in a separate deal.
For a fee agreed by both teams.
(1st, or 1st + 3rd, or ???)
Seattle will have easier options for getting picks in the draft.
Lots of other players with bad contracts.
Salary caps limit Seattle's options.
We will find out what will happen in a few months.

 

[HoseEmDown]

At first I smiled at the first line of your comment.
Killorn + Johnson + Mcdonagh are good players.
Much has been written about the attempts to exchange Killorn and Johnson.
We agree with Johnson. This is a bad contract.
We disagree with Killorn. I wrote that he has an average contract.
We disagree with Mcdonagh. I wrote that he had a bad contract.
When determining a bad contract - the expiration date of the contract matters a lot.
Good thing you wrote Johnson's estimated cost (1st).
I think a little more - 1st + 3rd. It's close.
It's too bad you didn't write the estimated cost for Killorn and Mcdonagh.
Minimum - Tampa needs to free $ 9,500,000.
Optimal - Tampa needs an additional $5,000,000 - $7,000,000 free.
I wrote the reasons in commentary # 990.
The Palat exchange (UFA 2022 - $ 5,300,000) is not the best solution.
The Cirelli exchange is not the best solution. Tampa will fight for the Stanley Cup 21/22/23 ...
Stamkos' health raises questions. Exchanging Cirelli (in order to get free money) can cause serious damage to the team.
Next, you need to exchange the Point (in order to get free money) having received draft picks.
Tampa can: trade valuable players, trade bad contracts, buy out bad contracts, LTIR tricks.
Any combination of the above.
GM Tampa can take any path.
It will be interesting for me to watch this.
I think I suggested one of the best ways.
Just look: players' positions, years of UFA, RFA, team weaknesses, possible future problems.
We think differently about the Mcdonagh trade.
Arguing about this is useless. I am convinced of my opinion, you are of yours.
I think this is the best exchange candidate after Johnson.

There is no point in arguing about this in the Seattle topic.
Seattle may choose the best player in Tampa (available) in the expansion draft (without an agreement).
Tampa can change Johnson to Seattle or another club in a separate deal.
For a fee agreed by both teams.
(1st, or 1st + 3rd, or ???)
Seattle will have easier options for getting picks in the draft.
Lots of other players with bad contracts.
Salary caps limit Seattle's options.
We will find out what will happen in a few months.

Show me one article where it's talked about Tampa's attempts to exchange, I think you mean trade, Killorn.

The expiration of a contract doesn't matter all that much, it's pretty insignificant if the player is useful. McDonagh is a 2D, would be a 1D still on a fee teams, we are trying to win now, we don't care about the 25/26 season right now. If Connor McDavid signs an 8 year deal for 15M a year his next contract and you know the last year he'll be only ECHL caliber but gives you 7 MVP seasons it's not a bad contract. Also not sure why you keep saying we need to clear 9.5M? We are only 3.5M over going into next season, clearing Johnson and signing ABB and Colton to 750k deals gets us cap compliant. We will need to move another contract to fill some gaps but we don't need an additional 6M, if we free up that much money it's to resign Savard, Coleman or Goodrow. Our cap situation isn't dire, we just want to move Johnson because he's slipped down the lineup not that he's a garbage player. He's not as good as he was a few years ago but still a middle 6 player.