Expansion draft thread

[RainyCityHockey]

If the Isles can stick Ladd on LTIR the next couple of years and benefit from the LTIR space then why would they give away picks or prospects?

Because the article said so.
I didn't make that proposal but if they wanted to get rid off Ladd they'd have to give us something.

Though, if the Isles can just stick him at LTIR with no problems than they'd certainly not be motivated to do something like that.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Because the article said so.
I didn't make that proposal but if they wanted to get rid off Ladd they'd have to give us something.

Though, if the Isles can just stick him at LTIR with no problems than they'd certainly not be motivated to do something like that.

Yeah. I mean nobody is forcing teams to move players with bad contracts to us. They could trade them, buy them out, bury them in the minors (save some $$), or even stick them in LTIR.

Do keep in mind that LTIR saves cap savings but the team still has to pay the player. If the team is truly interested in saving $$ they have no option but to move the player out via a trade. Buy outs, LTIR, minors only help with cap hits and not true $$.

 

[TurgPavs]

I don't think Makar makes that much on this contract. He is still a non-arbitration eligible RFA. My guess is they bridge him at around 6M AAV or so before his RFA status expires and then give him a bigger contract after. Avs are built to win now and have a decent sized window.

They have players like Graves, Donskoi, etc. that can easily be exposed in the expansion draft to create cap space right now if they need to. Sure. MacKinnon's next contract is gonna be expensive 10M+ but they have 2 years to use that cap space to win the SC. I expect Landeskog gets back at about 7-8M AAV. Not sure about the term. I doubt the Avs want to give 8 years to a player who plays a physical style like Landeskog and has to deal with injuries often. Maybe a 5-6 year contract.

LeBrun mentioned that Cabot received 8 years at 8 million in the same non-arb situation.
Absolutely ZERO chance Makar signs for less then Chabot. Many are estimating he lands between 9-10 million per.

 

[TurgPavs]

Hello flat cap issue for the next several years. Players are not GOING to get high contract increases. You do not let top line players walk for free if you can't no longer afford a player you trade him not let him go for nothing. Landy isn't going anywhere and markar isn't going to get that high kind of salary not with a flat cap.

Like Petro got with the flat cap last year at 8.8? or like Petro last year walking?

Makar is going to get paid and 6 million is not going to do it.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

LeBrun mentioned that Cabot received 8 years at 8 million in the same non-arb situation.
Absolutely ZERO chance Makar signs for less then Chabot. Many are estimating he lands between 9-10 million per.

A. That deal was signed in Sept. 2019. Pre-Covid. Pre flat-cap.
B. Ottawa had just traded away Erik Karlsson and needed a long-term replacement. And really using Ottawa as anything for a template is a terrible idea. Their management sucks.
C. When players like MacKinnon took lesser amount on the Avs in a similar situation, I expect Makar to do the same.

Time will tell what Makar ends up getting but I would be very surprised if he gets 8 x 8. My expectation would be getting bridged for now for 6M or so and sign a long term contract after.

Also, comparing a UFA to an RFA is hardly a fair comparison so lets not compare Petro to Makar.

 

[rypper]

What hasn't been greatly discussed, ad was discussed yesterday on ESPN Radio, is the exclusive UFA window that Seattle has. While that window has been discussed, on this thread, the current environment, i.e. large and talented UFA class, plus the flat cap, etc. may have an impact on how Seattle Builds their roster. While Vegas took the route of building a stockpile of both draft picks, young players, and Vets on the last year of their contract (Assuming to flip at the TDL) they didn't go after to many UFA in their negotiation window.
The ability to sign guy's like Landeskog, Hamilton, RNH, Hoffman, etc and fill that team in from the expansion draft, maybe an option.

One of the Mock Drafts that I have seen and really like, and would immediately allow Seattle to play that Western Conference Heavy Possession Type Game.
They would be counting on a couple of the younger Centers to Develop.

Goalie
Khudobin (Dal)
Daccord (OTT)
Vanecek (Was)

Defense
Subban (NJ)
Matheson (Pit)
Zadorov (Chi)
Cernak (TB)
Soucy (Min)
Nutivaara (FL)
Bear (Edm)
Bean (Car)
Mahura (Ana)

Forwards
Landeskog UFA (COL)
Hoffman UFA (STL)
Lindblom (PHILY)
Lowry (Win)
Panik (DET)
Virtanen (Van)
Kunin (Nash)
Eakin (Buf)
Ritchie (Bos)
Athanasiou UFA (LA)
Burke (AZ)
Bellows (NYI)
Howden (NYR)
Dube (Cal)
True (SJ)
J. Anderson (TOR)
Evans (Mon)
Pu (CLB)

Virtanen is currently facing a Civil suit for sexual assault charges and is being investigated by the VPD. I think he's pretty hands off to be selected in the expansion draft.

 

[Nucker101]

Virtanen is currently facing a Civil suit for sexual assault charges and is being investigated by the VPD. I think he's pretty hands off to be selected in the expansion draft.

He’s probably getting bought out

 

[rypper]

He’s probably getting bought out

Yeah likely. Time to prepare for someone else. I think it's gotta be to take a chance on someone like Lind, Gadjovich, or MacEwen.

 

[Nucker101]

Yeah likely. Time to prepare for someone else. I think it's gotta be to take a chance on someone like Lind, Gadjovich, or MacEwen.

Lind’s just too slow/weak, his skills and willingness to mix it up is intriguing but he can’t forecheck.

I’d like to follow the Vegas model of going after players who can forecheck effectively, skate fast and move the puck quickly. Out of those 3 that just leaves MacEwen, but Gadjovich is probably the “money puck” puck with the stats he put up in the AHL this year

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Yeah likely. Time to prepare for someone else. I think it's gotta be to take a chance on someone like Lind, Gadjovich, or MacEwen.

I think the Canucks might even protect Lind.
To me Gadjovich would be a good idea.

 

[Mike Jones]

Calgary media seems to be preparing locals for Gio's loss to Seattle.

Flames captain Giordano likely to be exposed in expansion draft | Calgary Sun

 

[Cowumbus]

On your other expansion thread I saw you guys picked Kivlenieks from the CBJ. Curious as to why you’d want him over Robinson/Kukan?

 

[RainyCityHockey]

On your other expansion thread I saw you guys picked Kivlenieks from the CBJ. Curious as to why you’d want him over Robinson/Kukan?

That was probably a guess.

I would take Robinson but I'm not sure if he'll be available(you could just leave Nyquist unprotected after his injury) at all.

 

[Cowumbus]

That was probably a guess.

I would take Robinson but I'm not sure if he'll be available(you could just leave Nyquist unprotected after his injury) at all.

Yeah I would probably leave Nyquist unprotected. I wonder if Seattle would take him?

But if Nyquist was protected, Robinson would be my choice.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I've just created another mock draft after the regular season has ended.

One thing is for sure, Francis and his staff will have their hands full making those picks.

Like said before, I always have some trouble reaching those 20 players under contract for next season and look for younger guys(besides Johnson, Oshie and Subban in this one) to give us as much cap flexibility as possible.

This roster would be at $61.2 mil(all contracts) with about $51.3 committed to next season.
Because of that we would have about $30 mil in cap space to re-sign a couple of those players and use the rest for trades or free agency.

There's also a couple extra defenders to flip after the expansion draft.

Team	Player	Position	Salary	Contract
Anaheim	Haydn Fleury	LD/RD	$1.3	2022
Arizona	Adin Hill	G	$800 K	2021(RFA)
Boston	Jeremy Lauzon	LD/RD	$850 K	2022
Buffalo	William Borgen	RD	$864 K	2021(RFA)
Calgary	Oliver Kylington	LD	$787 K	2021(RFA)
Carolina	Morgan Geekie	C	$763 K	2021(RFA)
Chicago	Riley Stillman	LD	$733 K	2024
Colorado	Ryan Graves	LD	$3.16	2023
Columbus	Eric Robinson	LW	$975 K	2022
Dallas	Jason Dickinson	C	$1.5	2021(RFA)
Detroit	Givani Smith	LW	$714 K	2021(RFA)
Edmonton	Caleb Jones	LD	$850 K	2022
Florida	Chris Driedger	G	$850 K	2021(UFA)
Los Angeles	Austin Wagner	RW	$1.33	2023
Minnesota	Nico Sturm	C	$725 K	2022
Montreal	Jake Allen	G	$2.875	2023
Nashville	Yakov Trenin	LW	$725 K	2022
New Jersey	P. K. Subban	RD	$9.0	2022
New York Islanders	Scott Mayfield	RD	$1.45	2023
New York Rangers	Julien Gauthier	RW	$863 K	2021(RFA)
Ottawa	Christ Tierney	C	$3.5	2022
Philadelphia	Shayne Ghostisbehere	LD	$4.5	2023
Pittsburgh	Jared McCann	LW	$2.94	2022
San Jose	Dylan Gambrell	C	$700 K	2021(RFA)
St. Louis	Vince Dunn	LD	$1.875	2021(RFA)
Tampa Bay	Tyler Johnson	RW	$5.0	2024
Toronto	Alexander Kerfoot	C	$3.5	2023
Vancouver	Jonah Gadjovich	LW	$783 K	2021(RFA)
Washington	T.J. Oshie	RW	$5.75	2025
Winnipeg	Mason Appleton	RW	$900 K	2022

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

How are your current expansion draft lists look like?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I've just created another mock draft after the regular season has ended.

One thing is for sure, Francis and his staff will have their hands full making those picks.

Like said before, I always have some trouble reaching those 20 players under contract for next season and look for younger guys(besides Johnson, Oshie and Subban in this one) to give us as much cap flexibility as possible.

This roster would be at $61.2 mil(all contracts) with about $51.3 committed to next season.
Because of that we would have about $30 mil in cap space to re-sign a couple of those players and use the rest for trades or free agency.

There's also a couple extra defenders to flip after the expansion draft.

Team	Player	Position	Salary	Contract
Anaheim	Haydn Fleury	LD/RD	$1.3	2022
Arizona	Adin Hill	G	$800 K	2021(RFA)
Boston	Jeremy Lauzon	LD/RD	$850 K	2022
Buffalo	William Borgen	RD	$864 K	2021(RFA)
Calgary	Oliver Kylington	LD	$787 K	2021(RFA)
Carolina	Morgan Geekie	C	$763 K	2021(RFA)
Chicago	Riley Stillman	LD	$733 K	2024
Colorado	Ryan Graves	LD	$3.16	2023
Columbus	Eric Robinson	LW	$975 K	2022
Dallas	Jason Dickinson	C	$1.5	2021(RFA)
Detroit	Givani Smith	LW	$714 K	2021(RFA)
Edmonton	Caleb Jones	LD	$850 K	2022
Florida	Chris Driedger	G	$850 K	2021(UFA)
Los Angeles	Austin Wagner	RW	$1.33	2023
Minnesota	Nico Sturm	C	$725 K	2022
Montreal	Jake Allen	G	$2.875	2023
Nashville	Yakov Trenin	LW	$725 K	2022
New Jersey	P. K. Subban	RD	$9.0	2022
New York Islanders	Scott Mayfield	RD	$1.45	2023
New York Rangers	Julien Gauthier	RW	$863 K	2021(RFA)
Ottawa	Christ Tierney	C	$3.5	2022
Philadelphia	Shayne Ghostisbehere	LD	$4.5	2023
Pittsburgh	Jared McCann	LW	$2.94	2022
San Jose	Dylan Gambrell	C	$700 K	2021(RFA)
St. Louis	Vince Dunn	LD	$1.875	2021(RFA)
Tampa Bay	Tyler Johnson	RW	$5.0	2024
Toronto	Alexander Kerfoot	C	$3.5	2023
Vancouver	Jonah Gadjovich	LW	$783 K	2021(RFA)
Washington	T.J. Oshie	RW	$5.75	2025
Winnipeg	Mason Appleton	RW	$900 K	2022

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

How are your current expansion draft lists look like?

Are we going to be getting some sweeteners for some of these picks as well? I know the list is purely who we pick but was curious if you left that part out just to keep things simple.

 

[Mike Jones]

I've just created another mock draft after the regular season has ended.

One thing is for sure, Francis and his staff will have their hands full making those picks.

Like said before, I always have some trouble reaching those 20 players under contract for next season and look for younger guys(besides Johnson, Oshie and Subban in this one) to give us as much cap flexibility as possible.

This roster would be at $61.2 mil(all contracts) with about $51.3 committed to next season.
Because of that we would have about $30 mil in cap space to re-sign a couple of those players and use the rest for trades or free agency.

There's also a couple extra defenders to flip after the expansion draft.

Team	Player	Position	Salary	Contract
Anaheim	Haydn Fleury	LD/RD	$1.3	2022
Arizona	Adin Hill	G	$800 K	2021(RFA)
Boston	Jeremy Lauzon	LD/RD	$850 K	2022
Buffalo	William Borgen	RD	$864 K	2021(RFA)
Calgary	Oliver Kylington	LD	$787 K	2021(RFA)
Carolina	Morgan Geekie	C	$763 K	2021(RFA)
Chicago	Riley Stillman	LD	$733 K	2024
Colorado	Ryan Graves	LD	$3.16	2023
Columbus	Eric Robinson	LW	$975 K	2022
Dallas	Jason Dickinson	C	$1.5	2021(RFA)
Detroit	Givani Smith	LW	$714 K	2021(RFA)
Edmonton	Caleb Jones	LD	$850 K	2022
Florida	Chris Driedger	G	$850 K	2021(UFA)
Los Angeles	Austin Wagner	RW	$1.33	2023
Minnesota	Nico Sturm	C	$725 K	2022
Montreal	Jake Allen	G	$2.875	2023
Nashville	Yakov Trenin	LW	$725 K	2022
New Jersey	P. K. Subban	RD	$9.0	2022
New York Islanders	Scott Mayfield	RD	$1.45	2023
New York Rangers	Julien Gauthier	RW	$863 K	2021(RFA)
Ottawa	Christ Tierney	C	$3.5	2022
Philadelphia	Shayne Ghostisbehere	LD	$4.5	2023
Pittsburgh	Jared McCann	LW	$2.94	2022
San Jose	Dylan Gambrell	C	$700 K	2021(RFA)
St. Louis	Vince Dunn	LD	$1.875	2021(RFA)
Tampa Bay	Tyler Johnson	RW	$5.0	2024
Toronto	Alexander Kerfoot	C	$3.5	2023
Vancouver	Jonah Gadjovich	LW	$783 K	2021(RFA)
Washington	T.J. Oshie	RW	$5.75	2025
Winnipeg	Mason Appleton	RW	$900 K	2022

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

How are your current expansion draft lists look like?

I like the Kylington choice over Giordano.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Are we going to be getting some sweeteners for some of these picks as well? I know the list is purely who we pick but was curious if you left that part out just to keep things simple.

Johnson definitly.
Oshie maybe and maybe a later pick for Subban.

Overall I was a bit undecided about Florida and NJ.
We could've also gone with a player under contract from Florida(Marchment, Goudas, Nutivaara etc.) and taken a younger guy like Merkley or Koukkanen.

Though, that would've meant taking another goalie like Vanecek.

But I'm also just spitballing and the actual list of Francis will certainly look different with hopefully a couple more side deal.s

How would your list look like?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Johnson definitly.
Oshie maybe and maybe a later pick for Subban.

Overall I was a bit undecided about Florida and NJ.
We could've also gone with a player under contract from Florida(Marchment, Goudas, Nutivaara etc.) and taken a younger guy like Merkley or Koukkanen.

Though, that would've meant taking another goalie like Vanecek.

But I'm also just spitballing and the actual list of Francis will certainly look different with hopefully a couple more side deal.s

How would your list look like?

Pretty close to yours actually. I am just not sure about Subban at 9M though it is just a year. Now if the Devils added something, maybe I would bite on that. Some picks I may do slightly different are:

Might pick Simek instead of Gambrell from the Sharks.
Bean from the Hurricanes.
I was almost thinking going Kuokkonen from the Devils.
Jarnkork from the Preds (I may bite on Johansen or Duchene if we don't have 'C' depth)

But unless we both are looking at the same protection lists, its hard to really say. ..

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Pretty close to yours actually. I am just not sure about Subban at 9M though it is just a year. Now if the Devils added something, maybe I would bite on that. Some picks I may do slightly different are:

Might pick Simek instead of Gambrell from the Sharks.
Bean from the Hurricanes.
I was almost thinking going Kuokkonen from the Devils.
Jarnkork from the Preds (I may bite on Johansen or Duchene if we don't have 'C' depth)

But unless we both are looking at the same protection lists, its hard to really say. ..

Yeah, Subban was just some pick to have those 20 players under contract while keeping the other picks.

I have Carolina protecting Bean and like the possible upside of Geekie.

I also have the Preds going 4-4-1 protecting Kunin, Arvidsson, Forsberg and Jarnkrok and wouldn't bite on Johansen/Duchene given their cap hit of $8M for the next four or five years respectively.
At least not as long as they don't throw in a raelly nice sweetener.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yeah, Subban was just some pick to have those 20 players under contract while keeping the other picks.

I have Carolina protecting Bean and like the possible upside of Geekie.

I also have the Preds going 4-4-1 protecting Kunin, Arvidsson, Forsberg and Jarnkrok and wouldn't bite on Johansen/Duchene given their cap hit of $8M for the next four or five years respectively.
At least not as long as they don't throw in a raelly nice sweetener.

I would honestly go for Johansen even without a sweetener. He has 1 less year than Duchene on his contract and is only 28. I think a fresh start for him would be good and I would not be shocked to see him play like a 1C again. I don't expect that from Duchene simply because he has never been a true 1C. If there is a type of player taking a risk on, it would be Johansen.

Its really hard to go with picks unless we know exactly who is getting protected.

 

[gstommylee]

there's a possiblity buffalo may give us Rienhart and perhaps get Okposo off the hooks or at least have a lesser cap hit (via retention).

Rienhart isn't happy there.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

I would honestly go for Johansen even without a sweetener. He has 1 less year than Duchene on his contract and is only 28. I think a fresh start for him would be good and I would not be shocked to see him play like a 1C again. I don't expect that from Duchene simply because he has never been a true 1C. If there is a type of player taking a risk on, it would be Johansen.

Its really hard to go with picks unless we know exactly who is getting protected.

Yeah, it's hard to really know before those lists are available, especially given that teams can still trade players from now until then.

Though, I'm not that high on either of those Predators centers, especially if they don't add anything.

there's a possiblity buffalo may give us Rienhart and perhaps get Okposo off the hooks or at least have a lesser cap hit (via retention).

Rienhart isn't happy there.

I'm not that high an Reinhart(even though he had a good season, statistically) to take on those extra $6M a year, for the next two seasons, of Okposo.

Reihart's also an RFA(currently making $5.2M) and certainly going to cost something between $6 - $7 M a season.