HF Habs: Expansion Draft 2021 (Part 2)

[The Great Weal]

Giving them something to take Byron, and finding a way to cancel the last two years of Drouin's contract will be possibly the ideal scenario for the Habs.

Depending on their cap situation, if Drouin appears ready to play, getting both Byron and Drouin for two years at their current contracts may be worth a chance for Seattle at a long-bomb.

I wouldn't give them much to take those players. They dont have us by the balls or anything like that. We have too many bottom 6 forwards anyways and Poehling will likely get his shot next year.

 

[SpezNc2]

Seattle going to have ton of Cap Space.

Seattle can take the best player without worrying too much about cap space. Obviously they will try to make deals like Vegas. But teams should not budge.

They have cap space to burn.

If I am Seattle I would consider taking Subban, Drouin, Johansen etc. Low risk high reward for them.

I would refrain to take make a trade with them.

We protect the players we value the most and we then let Seattle choose whoever they want.

protecting 4D or 3D / 7F will be heavily debated in my opinion.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

I don’t see the big deal about possibly losing 1 year of Chiarot.

I like what he brings in the playoffs but I still think we need a top 4 mobile LHD (after the ED).

So just go with 7-3-1, let Chiarot unprotected and don’t waste assets.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don’t see the big deal about possibly losing 1 year of Chiarot.

I like what he brings in the playoffs but I still think we need a top 4 mobile LHD (after the ED).

So just go with 7-3-1, let Chiarot unprotected and don’t waste assets.

No one is taking Weber with 5 years at 7.85M left. Why risk Chiarot?

 

[ECWHSWI]

No one is taking Weber with 5 years at 7.85M left. Why risk Chiarot?

because nobody will take Weber... obviously.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don’t see the big deal about possibly losing 1 year of Chiarot.

I like what he brings in the playoffs but I still think we need a top 4 mobile LHD (after the ED).

So just go with 7-3-1, let Chiarot unprotected and don’t waste assets.

Chiarot is a top 4 mobile defender.

He may not be a prototypical PMD but he is a good skater.

 

[LMFAO]

Seattle going to have ton of Cap Space.

Seattle can take the best player without worrying too much about cap space. Obviously they will try to make deals like Vegas. But teams should not budge.

They have cap space to burn.

If I am Seattle I would consider taking Subban, Drouin, Johansen etc. Low risk high reward for them.

I would refrain to take make a trade with them.

We protect the players we value the most and we then let Seattle choose whoever they want.

protecting 4D or 3D / 7F will be heavily debated in my opinion.

Subban is barely NHL caliber at this point and no way in hell Seattle picks him.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Chiarot is a top 4 mobile defender.

He may not be a prototypical PMD but he is a good skater.

Take a look around at the final 4........I wonder where all of the smaller dmen who skate the puck up the ice all game are. Big, strong and mobile is what wins and both Edmundson and Chiarot are exactly that. The other fancy stuff is on the golf course.

 

[SpezNc2]

Subban is barely NHL caliber at this point and no way in hell Seattle picks him.

I don’t disagree with you but the point is that Seattle not going to have cap issues next season. Unless they are able to attract multiple UFA’s on day 1. Even with that, they have cap hit to burn. If they feel that Subban is not wash up who knows. It’s not like the devils has great players to offers.

my point is seattle should take the best player available regardless of his cap hit.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don’t disagree with you but the point is that Seattle not going to have cap issues next season. Unless they are able to attract multiple UFA’s on day 1. Even with that, they have cap hit to burn. If they feel that Subban is not wash up who knows. It’s not like the devils has great players to offers.

my point is seattle should take the best player available regardless of his cap hit.

Completely disagree, they should take the best assets available and a players contract is a large part of what decides their value as an asset.

Subban is only going to get worse and will have even further negative value.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

Chiarot is a top 4 mobile defender.

He may not be a prototypical PMD but he is a good skater.

Say what?

 

[Archijerej]

Take a look around at the final 4........I wonder where all of the smaller dmen who skate the puck up the ice all game are. Big, strong and mobile is what wins and both Edmundson and Chiarot are exactly that. The other fancy stuff is on the golf course.

Personally, I wouldn't be against substituting Chiarot for someone like Alec Martinez. I find our current group imbalanced in terms of puck-moving ability. Weber, Edmundson, Merrill and Romanov should be enough of what you describing. Petry's not exactly small and soft either.

 

[Archijerej]

Say what?

He's right. Nothing wrong with Chiarot's mobility.

 

[loudi94]

The problem with leaving Chiarot exposed is that Seattle could take him and flip him to an Eastern team like Boston or Toronto. That would impact us negatively. Be prepared to lose Evans or Lehkonen. Guys that can be kept by Seattle for more than a year.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

He's right. Nothing wrong with Chiarot's mobility.

My bad then, I should have added puck moving skills to being mobile.

 

[Ajhccwrs]

He's right. Nothing wrong with Chiarot's mobility.

Nothing wrong with his mobility or compete level, its his decision making that puts ??'s on him.

 

[calder candidate]

Completely disagree, they should take the best assets available and a players contract is a large part of what decides their value as an asset.

Subban is only going to get worse and will have even further negative value.

They will take the most valuable asset but with there cap space and ability to retain the contract might not play has large of a role...

 

[BaseballCoach]

The problem with leaving Chiarot exposed is that Seattle could take him and flip him to an Eastern team like Boston or Toronto. That would impact us negatively. Be prepared to lose Evans or Lehkonen. Guys that can be kept by Seattle for more than a year.

We do not need to lose Evans or Lehkonen, even if we protect one of Danault or Armia.

Protected or *Exempt
Price
*Primeau
*Demchenko (pending UFA)

Petry
Edmundson
Chiarot
*Romanov
*Brook

Toffoli
Anderson
Gallagher
Kotkaniemi
Evans
Lehkonen
Danault (assuming re-signed as UFA before the draft)
*Suzuki
*Caufield
*Poehling
*Belzile (pending UFA)

Expose (with sufficient NHL experience to count):
Allen
McNiven
Weber
Kulak
Drouin
Byron

Also not protected (with some NHL games):
all UFAs not re-signed before the draft, except the two above
Ouellet
Fleury
Blandisi

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Completely disagree, they should take the best assets available and a players contract is a large part of what decides their value as an asset.

Subban is only going to get worse and will have even further negative value.

Subban is at the end of his deal. He's going to have great value at the deadline.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Subban is at the end of his deal. He's going to have great value at the deadline.

He is a bad player....even for free he has very little value.

 

[loudi94]

He is a bad player....even for free he has very little value.

Not true at all. I honestly think if he were placed in the right position, he could be a great contributor. A 3 year 4M deal where he is part of a strong crew could see him shine. It's why he was good in Nashville.

 

[loudi94]

We do not need to lose Evans or Lehkonen, even if we protect one of Danault or Armia.

Protected or *Exempt
Price
*Primeau
*Demchenko (pending UFA)

Petry
Edmundson
Chiarot
*Romanov
*Brook

Toffoli
Anderson
Gallagher
Kotkaniemi
Evans
Lehkonen
Danault (assuming re-signed as UFA before the draft)
*Suzuki
*Caufield
*Poehling
*Belzile (pending UFA)

Expose (with sufficient NHL experience to count):
Allen
McNiven
Weber
Kulak
Drouin
Byron

Also not protected (with some NHL games):
all UFAs not re-signed before the draft, except the two above
Ouellet
Fleury
Blandisi

Realistically you don't disrespect Shea Weber by leaving him exposed. Maybe on a hypothetical scenario in a chat board you can, but not in real life. So if we want to protect our 4 D, one of our forwards will be gone. Honestly, it sucks but they're replaceable. I can see Lavalagher being on par with Lehky and Evans soon enough and we have to make room for Poehling and Ylonen soon.

 

[SpezNc2]

Completely disagree, they should take the best assets available and a players contract is a large part of what decides their value as an asset.

Subban is only going to get worse and will have even further negative value.

Only 1 year left for Subban. And I am not saying that they will take him but if they feel that Subban is not done and can rebuild his career, he could be an interesting reclamation project despite his AAV.

my point is simply that Seattle does not need to overvalue the cap space. They can easily absorb one or two bad contracts and still have some versatility to be pursuit some UFA.

Obviously the cap situation is part of the valuation but they have some flexibility that the 31 others don’t have.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Not true at all. I honestly think if he were placed in the right position, he could be a great contributor. A 3 year 4M deal where he is part of a strong crew could see him shine. It's why he was good in Nashville.

He is slow and washed up, any team serious about contending should steer clear of him.

 

[TT1]

I prefer Edmundson over Chiarot waaay more.