He tweeted that NYR were the place he wanted to be in. Maybe it was the reason of his weird play
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Player Discussion Eric Staal Part II
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Gordon Bombay
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Not crazy about this deal for the future, but for now it's starting to grow on me. We have a legit set of forwards even with Glass in the lineup. Every line should be rolling, especially when Nash comes back. If we can just get the team defense to have better positioning we can go up against anyone in the East IMO.
Jokinen wasn't always bad, but he was on the downside of his career when he got here. Much like Staal.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
no. 12 makes our forwards a deep any 1-12 once nash returns. on paper were scary good. but, games arent played on paper.
defensively, i think were better than washington and probably tampa too. i think our forwards are as good as those 2 as well. i think when playing best, our goalie is better.
special teams is where we are vulnerable. and that is where we can be beaten
and our defensive possession metrics are piss poor. that scares me. slow footed dmen dont prosper in todays nhl.
i dont like our chances against any of the big 3 out west. they all scare me.
were better today than we were last week.
go win some games
defensively, i think were better than washington and probably tampa too. i think our forwards are as good as those 2 as well. i think when playing best, our goalie is better.
special teams is where we are vulnerable. and that is where we can be beaten
and our defensive possession metrics are piss poor. that scares me. slow footed dmen dont prosper in todays nhl.
i dont like our chances against any of the big 3 out west. they all scare me.
were better today than we were last week.
go win some games
I do think the PK will be improved big time with E. Staal, and Nash eventually coming back.
IAMREALITY
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Always can count on the illogical negativity lmao.
Though I can't disagree that this was an odd deal that wasn't filling the need we were expecting, that doesn't make it a bad deal. In fact, from a purely objective and non-kneejerk standpoint, this was actually a really good deal with huge potential upside. We gave up little when it comes down to it for somebody with a proven record and that provides additional leadership to a young locker room.
Though I'm not sure what the lines are gonna be, this still has the potential to get things clicking in the direction we need and help notch that extra goal or two we so desperately need sometimes. He's definitely not gonna bring his given line down, that's for sure. So at worst it's a wash. But there's also that potential there that it's a game changer for us.
We'll have to see which way it goes. But there's almost zero downside, we lost very little in the deal, and there's tons of potential there.
So as much as I'm not a fan of Eric Staal as a person, especially after his bs hit on Marc a few years back, I still can't say anything negative about this deal, because objectively speaking, there's very little negativity that I'd find to actually be rational.
Time will tell, but I have a feeling many in this thread are going to be forcefed their words back to them before long lol. Let's hope that's the case!
Though I can't disagree that this was an odd deal that wasn't filling the need we were expecting, that doesn't make it a bad deal. In fact, from a purely objective and non-kneejerk standpoint, this was actually a really good deal with huge potential upside. We gave up little when it comes down to it for somebody with a proven record and that provides additional leadership to a young locker room.
Though I'm not sure what the lines are gonna be, this still has the potential to get things clicking in the direction we need and help notch that extra goal or two we so desperately need sometimes. He's definitely not gonna bring his given line down, that's for sure. So at worst it's a wash. But there's also that potential there that it's a game changer for us.
We'll have to see which way it goes. But there's almost zero downside, we lost very little in the deal, and there's tons of potential there.
So as much as I'm not a fan of Eric Staal as a person, especially after his bs hit on Marc a few years back, I still can't say anything negative about this deal, because objectively speaking, there's very little negativity that I'd find to actually be rational.
Time will tell, but I have a feeling many in this thread are going to be forcefed their words back to them before long lol. Let's hope that's the case!
Staal actually worsens the quality of the bottom 6. Because acquiring him without giving up a roster player means that AV now kicks out Hrivik to create a spot for Staal, while keeping in Tanner Glass. I'd love to be wrong on this one but we all know it's happening. Hrivik is easily NHL ready and has been very impressive in his short stint. He reminds me of a younger version of Dominic Moore.. hangs on to the puck, can skate, and can make smart plays with the puck. But Glass is better
One of the single most ridiculous things I've read on these forums. If E. Staal is in the bottom 6, there is no way it is worse than it was before. It slots people down a spot on the depth chart. Even if you're adding Glass back in, the guys around Glass are an upgrade... Holy ****.
The other thing I think I've only seen mentioned once or twice, but is absolutely going to factor in: If he is centering the "3rd line"... E. Staal will not be the guy here. He will not be on the first line. He will not be targeted to shut down by other teams in the same way as he was on Carolina. He will face easier competition. All of that alone should (we'll see if it does) benefit him.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
He still isn't a great defensive defenseman, but I'll leave that for another thread.
Are you no longer of the opinion that this team should be blown up / is a bad hockey team?
Make up your mind? Am I missing something? Is this the twilight zone?
See: Dylan McIlrath on 4th line
Also, the context of the post, if you had paid attention, was that E. Staal was going to be in the top 6. Not the bottom 6. Reading comprehension goes a long way
Yes, reading comprehension does go a long way. Slotting him anywhere in the lineup pushes guys down the depth chart. It applies whether you're stacking the first line, or putting him on the "3rd line." And it doesn't change how ridiculous of a post it was. Adding a player who is vastly superior to either Glass or Hrivik somehow makes the bottom 6 worse. HFLogic.
And D.Mac is playing on the 4th line because Fast is out. It literally has nothing to do with E.Staal. Wow.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Staal is playing on the 3rd line, FWIW, and two starters (Fast & Nash) are injured.
No spot for Hrivik with or without Glass.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
In any event, to draw a conclusion that this club is somehow worse with Eric Staal in the lineup is preposterous.
You're assuming that top 6 players are better defensively than bottom 6 players. Sometimes that's the case, but not always. You can't just "slot down" guys from the top 6 into the bottom 6 and have them succeed in a shutdown role.
"Wow! Kreiders on our 3rd line! We're such a deep team!"
Hockey doesn't work that way. You're 3rd and 4th lines typically shut down the oppositions top lines. I'd rather have Hrivik in the bottom 6 than Glass. He's a better player all around. Offensively, defensively, hockey IQ. There's no denying that. Staal in the lineup pushes Hrivik out. This on a team that has no problem scoring but who's defense and PK has been their achilles heel. But since you love to add insults to all your posts, I wouldn't expect someone who obviously never played more hockey than EA Sports NHL 16 to understand what I'm referring to.
I never said the club overall is worse with Staal in the lineup. I said the bottom 6 is worse. That mostly has to do with AV and not Staal. But we all knew Hrivik would get pushed out of the lineup with Staal in, and that's exactly what happened.
I know it was his first game but Staal was pretty brutal tonight outside of some faceoff wins. Had a shift where he limp dicked the puck out of the zone about 3 times. A puck that I could've cleared.
I'm sure he'll be good for us down the stretch, but again I don't think he was the correct piece to go after
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So let's recap, you bash this trade for:
Faceoff reasons (which Staal helps a billion times more than your group listed above)
PK (which you admittedly knew nothing about with Staal)
Powerplay (let's call this a wash just for the hell of it)
and above all you bash it for bottom 6 reasons. However, your bs for that is that Glass gets more minutes because of AV, yet you don't even have him in your own projected lineup using your own bs mentality? Okay.
Adios.
Lol ill take my chances with Staal over Vrbata every day of the week and twice on sunday
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
Who in our bottom-6 is good defensively right now? A line with Tanner Glass on it isn't shutting down a high school team, and the Hayes line is not good defensively at all. The Rangers haven't had a 3rd line checking line under AV, and I can't remember a decent one since 2011-12.
The 4th line in 2013-14 was fantastic but that ship has sailed, and AV has used purely offensive 3rd lines every year he's been a coach here.
FLYLine27*
BUCH
I would have rather traded away just 1 second round pick(or 3rd?) for Vrbata than trade away our 2nd best offensive prospect for Staal...and two additional 2nd rounders.
Just keep burning away the future. Going to be a rough few years in 5-6 years, especially when Lundqvist is on the decline...
Best part is...Vrbata has more goals than Staal on the season
Just keep burning away the future. Going to be a rough few years in 5-6 years, especially when Lundqvist is on the decline...
Best part is...Vrbata has more goals than Staal on the season
Didn't think that was a bad debut at all. This system seems to take new players some time to learn. Could have been worse!
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
The guy was a Carolina Hurricane like 36 hours ago, maybe give it, Idk, more than a day and a half?
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