Player Discussion Elias Pettersson, Pt. XII

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

You can't deny Matthews' production though...he has put up goals at an insane rate since entering the league. I don't know about Pettersson being the more valuable player at this point. He needs to take the next step to 95-105 point production to be in that discussion.

 

[Chimpradamus]

You can't deny Matthews' production though...he has put up goals at an insane rate since entering the league. I don't know about Pettersson being the more valuable player at this point. He needs to take the next step to 95-105 point production to be in that discussion.

Yes, I might be exaggerating Pettersson a bit too much. But I highly value he's so versatile on the ice.

 

[canuckking1]

Yes, I might be exaggerating Pettersson a bit too much. But I highly value he's so versatile on the ice.

I actually agree with you here. Canucks without Pettersson on the ice 5on5 are a lottery team and when he's on the ice they're an elite team.

Age 21 season

Matthews

Leafs with Matthews on the ice -3

Leafs w/o Matthews on the ice +38

Canucks with Pettersson on the ice +26

Canucks w/o Pettersson on the ice -28


If the Canucks are looking at counting stats, he's lined up to get an Eichel level deal long term and probably 8M on a bridge. That's not even factoring in many players break out in their 3rd year, and Pettersson got the best crash course you could get in terms of checking and pressure by facing some of the best teams in the playoffs.

 

[Jyrki21]

For those with an Athletic subscription, Dom Luszczyszyn and Craig Custance embarked on a "tiering" project (as had been done in basketball) based on statistical projections for the league's top 100 players and input from team reps:



Pettersson ends up in tier "2A" (franchise player) along with Pastrnak, Marchand, Point, Stone, Eichel and Josi. There is no ranking within the tiers, keep in mind.

McDavid, MacKinnon and Matthews are alone in the very top 1A tier. There is also a 1B (Crosby, Panarin, Draisaitl and Hedman).

 

[canuckking1]

Matthews at 1? Never change Dom

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Tbh I get it. Matthews last season combined Ovechkin-like scoring prowess with strong defensive play. McKinnon isn't the goal scorer he is, and McDavid isn't the two-way player. I see the argument for calling him the best player in the league.

Edit - For the record, I disagree (I would rank them McKinnon-Matthews-McDavid).

 

[Jyrki21]

Matthews at 1? Never change Dom

As I said, the players aren't ranked within the tiers – so he's not #1, so much as in the top tier.

That said, in the write-up Dom is the first one to say this is a somewhat surprising result, but does explain it -- and it's basically (1) based on projection for the upcoming year, not strictly the record to date, and (2) what @Burke's Evil Spirit was hinting at. Goals are weighted more heavily and his defensive play is better than McDavid's (again, part of this is the eye test of participating teams' officials, so take it for what it's worth).

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

As I said, the players aren't ranked within the tiers – so he's not #1, so much as in the top tier.

Matthews has the top GSVA score in that whole list, (which is basically a fancy WAR stat)

 

[Lupuls Grit]

Living in Ontario, I see a lot of Matthews. I love Petterson as much as all of you do but let's not underrate #34 in Blue and White. He is absolutely elite at the most important and difficult aspect of professional hockey, which is scoring goals. When he is dialed in, I absolutely concur with him being in that top tier. If the Leafs had any sense of team defence (which is not all on Matthews), his numbers would look much better.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I wonder what's up with Pettersson. He looks slower and less engaged and competitive than usual.

GDT: - Training Camp 2021

And that's all there really is to it, folks.

 

[Rumsfeld]

How are folks feeling about the "rather have Pettersson over McDavid" narrative right now?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

How are folks feeling about the "rather have Pettersson over McDavid" narrative right now?

I love, love, love Pettersson...but anyone who said that should be lobotomized.

 

[canuckking1]

Pettersson started slow last year. Not really worried

 

[Nucker101]

How are folks feeling about the "rather have Pettersson over McDavid" narrative right now?

wut

 

[M2Beezy]

How are folks feeling about the "rather have Pettersson over McDavid" narrative right now?

Whatever man, Pettersson is taller

 

[docbenton]

Prediction: Quinn Hughes leads team in scoring. Wishful thinking: Canucks get Pettersson on a better long-term deal as a result

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Whatever man, Pettersson is taller

John Scott confirmed elite status

 

[Chimpradamus]

How are folks feeling about the "rather have Pettersson over McDavid" narrative right now?

At least I had the presence of mind to call myself insane for saying it and I had 6 beers in me when writing it, so there's that around that ridiculous hot take statement.

Pettersson has started off a bit sluggish, while Miller is clearly missed. His replacement Virtanen on the 1st line is clearly not an ideal situation and he is way above his punch level.

It looks like it was a bad idea by the Canucks management to order Petey to live in the gym. But we'll see, we're only two games in without any real pre-season, he'll probably find a way to adjust. I think we can all agree it's not a good idea to transform Petey into some kind of power forward hybrid, that's for sure, he needs to base his game on his agility.

 

[lawrence]

Prediction: Quinn Hughes leads team in scoring. Wishful thinking: Canucks get Pettersson on a better long-term deal as a result

regardless with a flat cap the wage will have to go down a little.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Prediction: Quinn Hughes leads team in scoring. Wishful thinking: Canucks get Pettersson on a better long-term deal as a result

I don't like to say this but the best thing for the canucks future would probably be that Hughes and Pettersson have lacklustre seasons. If they play like a top-5 centre and top-5 defenceman in the league this year they are going to be able to command the equivalent contracts.

 

[vanuck]

Did EP actually gain a lot of weight this offseason? I wasn't following.

 

[maroon 6]

Did EP actually gain a lot of weight this offseason? I wasn't following.

He didn’t. He said he was 176lbs a week ago in a press conference.

 

[canuckking1]

He went scoreless in the first two games last year as well and the RTP if you count the exhibition game. Seems to be a slow started

 

[Fatass]

He went scoreless in the first two games last year as well and the RTP if you count the exhibition game. Seems to be a slow started

Two assists in game one on Boeser goals, no?

 

[I am toxic]

Pettersson is the least of our worries.



Well, other than me stop being a smartass. No need to worry about that.