Confirmed Trade: [EDM/PIT] John Marino for a conditional 2021 6th round pick

[Riptide]

Need to get rid of this college loophole. Good of the Pens to take advantage at least the Oil got something if very little for a player that wouldnt sign with them

A) It's not a loophole. It's something that's there to ensure that the players get a chance to follow their dreams. It's the same reason waivers applies... so that teams cannot keep quality players buried in the minors forever just because your team doesn't have room for them.

B) It doesn't only apply to college kids. Kids in the CHL could do the same thing (stick it out 4 years post draft to become UFAs). They overwhelmingly choose not to do so. But make no mistake - they certainly could if they wanted to.

edit. I see @wej20 beat me to it.

 

[Turin]

Marino has something none of the other dmen listed in this thread have had and that is ELITE skating. Best skating dman on a team with Kris Letang is very impressive.

He’s not a better skater than Letang?

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Marino has something none of the other dmen listed in this thread have had and that is ELITE skating. Best skating dman on a team with Kris Letang is very impressive.

Saying he's better than Letang is going a little overboard.

 

[Kahvi]

Need to get rid of this college loophole. Good of the Pens to take advantage at least the Oil got something if very little for a player that wouldnt sign with them

First Schultz, now Marino

 

[Joey Moss]

I’m amazed at how often this thread gets bumped.

 

[Curufinwe]

Need to get rid of this college loophole. Good of the Pens to take advantage at least the Oil got something if very little for a player that wouldnt sign with them

It's not a loophole.

 

[Richard]

He’s not a better skater than Letang?

He is now. He's not better than Letang at 22 but Letang at 32. Yes, definitely no question.

 

[Freeptop]

Kind of getting over rated... No? A guy was dealt for a 6th rounder and after 25~ games he's suddenly one of the best defensive D in the league? Not even saying he hasn't played well but it's not even half a season...

I mean, he's managed to make Jack Johnson look reasonable, so it's kind of understandable that he'd end up getting a bit hyped...

 

[PensandCaps]

He is now. He's not better than Letang at 22 but Letang at 32. Yes, definitely no question.

this is the best version of Letang.

who's a top 5 Dman no doubt in the league.

Marino isnt Letang

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I’m amazed at how often this thread gets bumped.

I agree, but the kid seems to deserve all the praise he's getting. Oilers really dropped the ball, again.

 

[gordonhught]

Marino was not going to sign in Edmonton given the young upcoming depth at D.

Oilers had to trade his rights or he becomes a free agent with nothing coming back to Edmonton.

SEE Justin Schultz, etc.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I agree, but the kid seems to deserve all the praise he's getting. Oilers really dropped the ball, again.

how? he refused to sign with the Oilers

 

[voxel]

talent evaluation: a+

Seriously? Before the season started where was he going to fit on the Condors?

We had Bear (WHL D man of the year), Jones, Lowe (Captain), Bouchard (OHL D man of the year), Samurokov, Lagesson, and Day ahead of him. They brought in a 25 year old UFA in Persson who was like a school teacher part time two years ago and only started playing pro hockey two years ago. And they signed Vincent Desharnais the 2016 7th rounder. The NHL team had Kelfbom, Nurse, Larsson, Sekera, Russell, Benning, and ugh.. Manning.

Jones and Lagesson are NHL ready and will require waivers next season. Bouchard and Samurokov are high end rookies that need playing time. Bear made the NHL unexpectedly. Then the Oilers have Broberg overseas.

Marino looked at the list and said... no way am I signing! I'm happy for him but a D man like him is a not a big loss. It's bad enough Samurokov is buried on the bottom-pair with no PP time on the Condors.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Marino was not going to sign in Edmonton given the young upcoming depth at D.

Oilers had to trade his rights or he becomes a free agent with nothing coming back to Edmonton.

SEE Justin Schultz, etc.

I mean they could have guaranteed a spot or traded some depth prospects to give him a clearer path to a NHL spot. I don't think this excuse works. Saying he wanted to play on the East coast is more fair.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

let's just all agree Chiarelli had a monster 2015 Draft

 

[gordonhught]

I mean they could have guaranteed a spot or traded some depth prospects to give him a clearer path to a NHL spot. I don't think this excuse works. Saying he wanted to play on the East coast is more fair.

Probably a combination of both. He was set to be a free agent and could go wherever he wanted. Edm could not sign him so got what they could for him.

Oilers have Larsson, Bear, Bouchard on the right side. Doubt he plays ahead of any of those.

 

[SprootsMasterFlex]

Marino has exceeded everyone's expectations this year. Who would've ever imagined...

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Probably a combination of both. He was set to be a free agent and could go wherever he wanted. Edm could not sign him so got what they could for him.

Oilers have Larsson, Bear, Bouchard on the right side. Doubt he plays ahead of any of those.

Marino probably would've played his way above Bear and Bouchard. Bouchard, at least, could use some more seasoning in the AHL. Even though folks shit on Jack Johnson (he's actually played well this season), Pittsburgh's lineup isn't a joke to crack, and Marino's played so well that he's earning time on his offside with Dumoulin out long-term.

 

[gordonhught]

Marino probably would've played his way above Bear and Bouchard. Bouchard, at least, could use some more seasoning in the AHL. Pittsburgh's lineup isn't a joke to crack.

Sure. Marino is better than Bouchard this year only. Then he is behind him.

Marino saw the writing on the wall. He was behind those other R handed D. He made it clear to Edm that he would not sign.

Sometimes it works this way. I see Marino as a decent third pairing defenseman on a long term basis. Those type of D are a dime a dozen.

Call me in 10 years when he is a hall of famer and we can talk further.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

how? he refused to sign with the Oilers

There's always a way, they just didn't value him enough to make it happen.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Sure. Marino is better than Bouchard this year only. Then he is behind him.

Marino saw the writing on the wall. He was behind those other R handed D. He made it clear to Edm that he would not sign.

Sometimes it works this way. I see Marino as a decent third pairing defenseman on a long term basis. Those type of D are a dime a dozen.

Call me in 10 years when he is a hall of famer and we can talk further.

Marino's 22 and already playing like a decent top-4 option. Not saying that he's a future HOFer, but he very well could be a long-term fixture for Pittsburgh.

 

[gordonhught]

Marino's 22 and already playing like a decent top-4 option. Not saying that he's a future HOFer, but he very well could be a long-term fixture for Pittsburgh.

But in Edmonton he is not playing in the top 4. By next year, Larsson and Bouchard are ahead of Marino. Then Edmonton still has Bear and Benning.

Good for Marino for turning out. A few years ago Benning looked like a potential top 4 D for Edmonton. Now he is not even in the top 6.

Edmonton has

Klefbom
Nurse
Broberg (2019 first rounder - top 10)
Bouchard (2018 first rounder - top 10)
Larsson
Ethan Bear

Marino would never have played ahead of those above.

Then there is Caleb Jones, Kris Russell, Benning, Lagesson and Persson (best D on Edmonton farm team)

Where was Marino going to fit in?

 

[Turin]

He is now. He's not better than Letang at 22 but Letang at 32. Yes, definitely no question.

Letang’s skating hasn’t declined.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

There's always a way, they just didn't value him enough to make it happen.

disagree...same way Fox didn't want to sign in Calgary
Vesey in Nashville
Schultz in Anaheim

these guys used a loophole in the CBA to their advantage

 

[The Grim Reaper]

But in Edmonton he is not playing in the top 4. By next year, Larsson and Bouchard are ahead of Marino. Then Edmonton still has Bear and Benning.

Good for Marino for turning out. A few years ago Benning looked like a potential top 4 D for Edmonton. Now he is not even in the top 6.

Edmonton has

Klefbom
Nurse
Broberg (2019 first rounder - top 10)
Bouchard (2018 first rounder - top 10)
Larsson
Ethan Bear

Marino would never have played ahead of those above.

Then there is Caleb Jones, Kris Russell, Benning, Lagesson and Persson (best D on Edmonton farm team)

Where was Marino going to fit in?

Has Broberg and Bouchard performance in the NHL been that much better than Marino's?