Confirmed Trade: [EDM/PIT] John Marino for a conditional 2021 6th round pick

[Del Preston]

i edited my post and talked about this, can we get a legit source/quotes?

 

[TT1]

Yes, do some research.

lmao, it doesnt work that way. youre the ones making the claim, you need to prove it.

Until then the most logical assumption is that EDM's management is incompetent. When you let a quality asset go for only a conditional 6th rounder it's obvious that he was miss-evaluated. Regardless of the reason, it reflects poorly on management. You try your best to sign him, we're not talking about a superstar UFA here.

 

[Del Preston]

lmao, it doesnt work that way. youre the ones making the claim, you need to prove it.

Until then the most logical assumption is that EDM's management is incompetent. When you let a quality asset go for only a conditional 6th rounder it's obvious that he was miss-evaluated.

The proof has been posted. All I had to do was type in "john marino oilers" and it's the first result on Google. Very difficult.

"Quality asset" - Why do I get the feeling you had no idea who Marino was until opening this thread? He was a college player who other teams around the league valued at nothing more than a conditional 6th. No one, not even Pittsburgh, expected him to step in and play the way he has.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

He has been one of the most impressive rookie dmen for me. His all around game is what makes him one of my favorites. Sure there are some sexier choices due to those higher point totals/PP specialists, but his all around game has impressed the hell out of me.

I am dumbfounded how he has come out of the blue and taken the league by storm like this.

And no I am not a Pens fan at all lol

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Lmao @ the first few pages of defensive EDM fans saying he's buried down their depth chart, what does that even mean? Everyone gets their shot in preseason, the ones that perform well will ultimately get their shot in the NHL.

Good play/talent will always get noticed, regardless of what your name is/where you got drafted. He would have been one of Edmonton's best D, this is such a cringeworthy move.

Is there even any evidence that he didnt want to sign? Guys in his position just want a fair shot, it's usually very easy to get them to sign if you convey that message to them.

At the time of the trade Holland stated that Gretzky tried to get him signed when his season ended at Harvard and was told that the player and his family wanted some time to think about his future as he was considering returning for his final year. Holland later circled back after July 1 and was told the player felt the organization was already very deep at the pro level at his position and he would rather be in a system that wasn't so full of similar players and would preferably like to be in the East. So Holland did the kid a solid and traded him to a good situation for him and got his pick back at the same time. The Oilers aren't really missing him as they are likely going to have to trade a couple other defenders to relieve the log jam and hopefully supplement their forward depth.

 

[Senor Catface]

lmao, it doesnt work that way. youre the ones making the claim, you need to prove it.

Until then the most logical assumption is that EDM's management is incompetent. When you let a quality asset go for only a conditional 6th rounder it's obvious that he was miss-evaluated. Regardless of the reason, it reflects poorly on management. You try your best to sign him, we're not talking about a superstar UFA here.

No, it's been posted. Use google and stop being lazy.

And to the second point, they did try to sign him, he wanted to look at other options. Like so many other college situations, the Oilers had no leverage.

Jesus, do we need to slow down for you?

 

[TT1]

The proof has been posted. All you had to do was type in "John Marino Oilers" and it's the first result on Google. Very difficult.

"Quality asset" - Why do I get the feeling you had no idea who Marino was until opening this thread? He was a college player who other teams around the league valued at nothing more than a conditional 6th. No one, not even Pittsburgh, expected him to step in and play the way he has.

I knew about him because i follow draft year prospects very closely. I obviously didn't keep up with his development, of course i didnt know he'd be this good. Regardless, that's exactly my point. It's on Edmonton's management to know what type of asset he is.

It's not hard to get these type of under the radar prospects to sign with you if you really try.. especially when you have McDavid on your roster. Judging by the return it's safe to assume thst some sort of miss-evaluation was made.

 

[Del Preston]

I knew about him because i follow draft year prospects very closely. I obviously didn't keep up with his development, of course i didnt know he'd be this good. Regardless, that's exactly my point. It's on Edmonton's management to know what type of asset he is.

It's not hard to get these type of under the radar prospects to sign with you if you really try.. especially when you have McDavid on your roster. Judging by the return it's safe to assume thst some sort of miss-evaluation was made.

Every NHL team follows how their prospects are doing. He didn't want to sign so they traded him. Read post #155 for more info.

 

[Senor Catface]

I knew about him because i follow draft year prospects very closely. I obviously didn't keep up with his development, of course i didnt know he'd be this good. Regardless, that's exactly my point. It's on Edmonton's management to know what type of asset he is.

It's not hard to get these type of under the radar prospects to sign with you if you really try.. especially when you have McDavid on your roster. Judging by the return it's safe to assume thst some sort of miss-evaluation was made.

Did the Ducks miss-evaluate (lol) Schultz
Did Nashville with Vesey
Did Hayes with Chicago

Yeesh

 

[The Greatest 101]

At the time of the trade Holland stated that Gretzky tried to get him signed when his season ended at Harvard and was told that the player and his family wanted some time to think about his future as he was considering returning for his final year. Holland later circled back after July 1 and was told the player felt the organization was already very deep at the pro level at his position and he would rather be in a system that wasn't so full of similar players and would preferably like to be in the East. So Holland did the kid a solid and traded him to a good situation for him and got his pick back at the same time. The Oilers aren't really missing him as they are likely going to have to trade a couple other defenders to relieve the log jam and hopefully supplement their forward depth.

Which dman are you going to trade? Pens are interested.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I continue to love damn near every trade we do with western conference team. God I love it.

 

[Henkka]

Guy would have signed for free without the trade?

 

[TeddyBare]

Guy would have signed for free without the trade?

That's why Edmonton got an asset for him.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Which dman are you going to trade? Pens are interested.

I'd say Russell, Benning and one of Lagesson/Jones are gone between now and the start of next season. Kemp as well who is a very similar prospect to Marino and will likely forego signing here in favour of NHL teams with weaker depth.

 

[McDNicks17]

I knew about him because i follow draft year prospects very closely. I obviously didn't keep up with his development, of course i didnt know he'd be this good. Regardless, that's exactly my point. It's on Edmonton's management to know what type of asset he is.

It's not hard to get these type of under the radar prospects to sign with you if you really try.. especially when you have McDavid on your roster. Judging by the return it's safe to assume thst some sort of miss-evaluation was made.

Judging by the return, it's pretty obvious that no team in the league expected him to do this.

 

[Aceboogie]

The teams th

lmao, it doesnt work that way. youre the ones making the claim, you need to prove it.

Until then the most logical assumption is that EDM's management is incompetent. When you let a quality asset go for only a conditional 6th rounder it's obvious that he was miss-evaluated. Regardless of the reason, it reflects poorly on management. You try your best to sign him, we're not talking about a superstar UFA here.

Maybe the Canadiens were idiots because they failed to offer more than a 6th for a D thatd be their best D. Oiler fans knew hed be good, oiler scouts knew hed be good.
As far as I can see, 29 other teams made a mistake

 

[Roof Daddy]

I knew about him because i follow draft year prospects very closely. I obviously didn't keep up with his development, of course i didnt know he'd be this good. Regardless, that's exactly my point. It's on Edmonton's management to know what type of asset he is.

It's not hard to get these type of under the radar prospects to sign with you if you really try.. especially when you have McDavid on your roster. Judging by the return it's safe to assume thst some sort of miss-evaluation was made.

So you follow every draft 6 rounds deep? Or let me guess, you had him as a 2nd rounder on your draft list.

You didn’t keep up with his development - there wasn’t really any tangible progression. His numbers 1st year through 3rd year were essentially the same. As far as accolades, he made 2nd team Ivy League in his first year and that’s it. He was a cerebral player with a solid all around game, but no + skill set.

Every Oiler fan in this thread is happy for the kid and we accept the fact he wasn’t going to play here.

But yes, it all comes down to “miss” evaluation. Sounds like a substitute teacher from an Archie comic.

 

[JackFr]

Maybe the Canadiens were idiots because they failed to offer more than a 6th for a D thatd be their best D. Oiler fans knew hed be good, oiler scouts knew hed be good.
As far as I can see, 29 other teams made a mistake

Weber's better (and Petry too) but I appreciate the spirit.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Weber's better (and Petry too) but I appreciate the spirit.

I'd take Marino over Petry any day.

 

[Help]

Mete >>>

 

[stardog]

I can not wait for threads 3 years from now saying how the oilers screwed up with no context

2 or 3 years?/ Hell man, it's been happening for the past 2 or 3 months.
Can't fault the Oil for moving him considering he refused to sign and his college numbers didn't really stand out considering he was Fox's D-partner last year.
However, a question arises that we may never know the answer to is that if one considers then assumes that plenty of NHL scouts saw him play due to how heavily Fox might have been scouted (or perhaps Fox wasn't scouted all that much if teams never really thought that he might be available) I wonder why there wasn't enough interest to force the price up higher than a 6th round pick? With how much teams invest in scouting and the NCAA being a heavily scouted league, I have to think that someone other than the Pens scouts saw him and thought enough to push for him? Especially if it was known that he would obviously be on the market given the public knowledge that he wasn't going to sign with Edmonton.
I have a tough time thinking that the Pens were the only ones high on him and the 6th round pick was the highest a team would go. Obviously that is what happened and obviously NOBODY knew how good he would play right from the start but as a Penguins fan, I'm loving it. Even differentiating between the first month and his play these past couple of weeks one can clearly see he keeps getting better the more time goes on. I was surprised at how good he was at first but I am even more surprised at how much better he's gotten since that time...and he was playing really well out of the gate so as a rookie, I didn't expect him to improve this rapidly given the starting point he was already playing exceptionally well...now he is just playing an incredibly solid, strong, smart and skilled game in all areas of the ice. He isn't making rookie mistakes and he is actually a noticeable positive force whose play directly has an impact on the team and on the outcome of the games. While in losses I can't ever fault any of his play as a part of the reason for the loss.
Very happy to have him.

 

[stardog]

Kind of getting over rated... No? A guy was dealt for a 6th rounder and after 25~ games he's suddenly one of the best defensive D in the league? Not even saying he hasn't played well but it's not even half a season...

How is he being overrated? This third of the season is all we have of him in this league to go on and it is the only time frame which we are discussing. There aren't blanket statements about his future Norris trophies or the several cabinets he'll have to buy in order to store them all, it has been limited to "so far". You can't fault people as overrating someone when they only have a strict amount of time which cannot be altered to form an opinion and then they give an opinion only within that exact timeframe.
That makes about as much sense as bringing up what a relative unknown player was traded for as having any value, meaning or relevance for how he has played...in other words it makes absolutely no sense and is a complete non factor.
It would be like saying "Yeah that Zetterberg guy is decent, but he's damn sure no all star and the fact that he was drafted in the 7th round is proof"!

And no, I'm not comparing Marino with Zetts before you throw that out as proof of people overrating Marino. Just a little analogy to show how ridiculous it is to use past trade value to judge ones current or future play.

 

[stardog]

I just read he was better than Kelfbom, Nurse.. Hell that he would be their 2nd best D defensively. Now, keep in mind I am defending the Oilers here which I rarely do. I just think it's kind of nonsense to say this stuff about established NHlers with not even 40 games under his belt.

Not to mention do you watch Kelfbom? He is a D that has some truly awful nights, and truly awful shifts, but game to game I am a big fan. He is very under rated.

I'm also willing to bet if we dug into that goals / 60 or whatever stat you were using we would see some key missing information, such as Klef and co facing much higher quality of competition and more minutes..

Why? If he's outplayed them in that exact timeframe then his tenure is irrelevant. Or do you consider Cale Makar to be behind every single defenseman in the league with some arbitrary number of years service simply because of that arbitrary number.
You're holding things against him that are out of his control for one, and quite frankly are absolutely irrelevant for another. If he has outplayed anyone up to this point it's because he has outplayed them up to this point. Their years of service have nothing to do with who is the better player this year.
Stop making it about the all inclusive (especially when there is no possibility for one to show any data at all) and read what is being said. It's a small sample size and that is being acknowledged while you're stuck on placing ones career as having relevance to the small sample size and nobody else is even talking about that.

 

[stardog]

Seems like 90 percent of Pens fans need this mailed to them every week.

Actually it seems closer to accurate that 90% of Pens fans in this thread have acknowledged this. The thread is literally full of Pens fans saying this as well as those on the Pens board. Geez

 

[King1s]

This thread reminds me of likes of Despres and Määttä. Pens fans overhyping a dman, who ends up where? Let's see in a couple of seasons. Meanwhile, it is nice that you are happy with him. I am not misaing him at all on our team.

I'll have to google for those guys. I don't even know where they are playing now.