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i have a bad feeling that tk isn't going to play...ghost is going to sit for hagg...raffl is going to play for farabe.....****
This seems spiteful. Almost as if you are saying McDavid isn't at fault Edmonton lost in RR? Blasphemy.Everyone stop caring if we win. Don't question the coaches. Don't care about the lineup. Everything comes down to the top players and if we lose it's all their fault. No other roster spot matters. Stop worrying about other players mistakes. They don't play enough to matter. Mistakes don't matter. Nothing matters.
Oh, by the way, we absolutely can NOT put a rookie in the lineup because the coach doesn't like him. He might make a mistake in his limited icetime and we absolutely can't risk that.
I'm pretty sure in 15-16 G was injured and for a passer like him you ought to do shot contributions not attempts. And maybe throw in overall PP numbers for context. That 2014 run was basically on a back of special teams and outscoring Emery's sv% from what I recall. Just by a quick look it seems that we are losing special teams battle even in a worse way than any series going back to 2012 playoffs. I blame Therrien and Yeo.Since people keep wanting to go on and on about the playoff goal totals, I checked to see if Giroux's stats match the eye test right now, which says he's playing well and creating chances, but just hasn't had any luck yet. Poor guy hit 3 posts in a 3 game stretch...
In his playoff career:
Red = injured[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Year (games) shots on net/60
(5v5)individual shot
attempts/60 (5v5)individual expected
goals/60 (5v5)2008-2009 (6) 6.66 15.82 0.76 2009-2010 (23) 6.67 11.04 0.56 2010-2011 (11) 5.79 12.30 0.42 2011-2012 (10) 6.68 14.16 0.46 2013-2014 (7) 6.42 14.59 0.61 2015-2016 (6) 4.45 8.90 0.30 2017-2018 (6) 6.24 14.83 0.57 2019-2020 (5) 7.16 11.25 0.54
So he's still getting chances like the rest of his career, but just no luck so far. Even if you aren't big into stats, just look at the consistency of them (with the exception of the series where he was playing injured and needed surgery). There's a reason for that.
Sometimes dry spells just happen in tiny sample sizes. Obviously you don't get credit for almost scoring a goal, but it shows that his individual quality of play isn't the problem and he's doing what's within his power to generate offense. It just doesn't always end with a goal. It also shows that if he continues to play, the goals will come. There's an undeniable element of chance/luck involved in this sport and someone as good as Giroux isn't going to continue to shoot 0%. Even players who are indisputably far worse don't shoot 0%, so you know it's unsustainable.
On top of all this, people need to remember that Giroux is not primarily a goal scorer. He's a top tier passer/playmaker, who sets other people up to score, more than anything else. He's still setting people up, they're just not finishing right now and he also has zero control over that. People did the same thing during the regular season... they got worked up over a lack of points during early 2020, said he was invisible/slow/old/etc, ignored context explaining the lack of scoring, and what happened? He started scoring again and ended with 22 points in the last 23 regular season games.
That's a bit different though, just like Cooper who leaned on the guys he won Calder cup with when he stepped in as bolts HC with Palat, Johnson, Kucherov and so on. Sullivan has done the same with sheary and rust. I doubt Vigneault has payed attention to Phantoms at all and when Gordon got the gig last year was too dense to even play his safest player in NAK and instead not only gave us Hagg and Gudas but stapled them to our top line for good measure.We can also go back to the Pittsburgh Cups where young depth was vital to their win, if you'd like.
It's weird that you insist these depth players don't matter, and then turn around and act like it's deeply important that only this set group plays. If it doesn't matter, then it makes no difference if Frost starts getting time.
It’s getting better all the timeThis time will be better.
That's a bit different though, just like Cooper who leaned on the guys he won Calder cup with when he stepped in as bolts HC with Palat, Johnson, Kucherov and so on. Sullivan has done the same with sheary and rust. I doubt Vigneault has payed attention to Phantoms at all and when Gordon got the gig last year was too dense to even play his safest player in NAK and instead not only gave us Hagg and Gudas but stapled them to our top line for good measure.
Now that honor goes to JVR whose 4 most common linemates are Grant, NAK, Thompson and Pitlick. That's Voracek and wonder twins 2.0
That’s why I have that season in red. It’s an outlier.I'm pretty sure in 15-16 G was injured and for a passer like him you ought to do shot contributions not attempts. And maybe throw in overall PP numbers for context. That 2014 run was basically on a back of special teams and outscoring Emery's sv% from what I recall. Just by a quick look it seems that we are losing special teams battle even in a worse way than any series going back to 2012 playoffs. I blame Therrien and Yeo.
xGF are the best overall metric because it takes into account where you shoot
High danger to me is a measure of "carelessness" on defense, and play making on offense.
Player 1 | Player 2 | GP | TOI | CF% | FF% | SF% | GF% | xGF% | SCF% | HDCF% |
Morgan Frost | Claude Giroux | 20 | 104.4 | 57.58 | 56.57 | 56.62 | 41.67 | 53.77 | 60 | 52.17 |
Morgan Frost | w/o Claude Giroux | 20 | 110.8167 | 44.15 | 43.07 | 38.83 | 50 | 42.17 | 47.31 | 40 |
w/o Morgan Frost | Claude Giroux | 69 | 849.6 | 53.95 | 53.8 | 52.95 | 56.34 | 53.91 | 53.88 | 53.14 |
w/o Morgan Frost | w/o Claude Giroux | 69 | 2228.733 | 49.77 | 49.69 | 50.78 | 53.16 | 49.53 | 49.26 | 50.39 |
Player 1 | Player 2 | Player 3 | GP | TOI | CF% | FF% | SF% | GF% | xGF% | SCF% | HDCF% |
Morgan Frost | Travis Konecny | Claude Giroux | 17 | 90.5 | 58.37 | 56.96 | 57.26 | 45.45 | 54.98 | 61.61 | 54.55 |
Sean Couturier | Jakub Voracek | N/A | 69 | 502.8833 | 55.45 | 54.8 | 55.14 | 65.91 | 55.49 | 54.59 | 52.87 |
Joel Farabee | Sean Couturier | N/A | 52 | 97.1 | 53.11 | 52.9 | 53.41 | 75 | 54.59 | 52.63 | 50 |
Kevin Hayes | James van Riemsdyk | N/A | 66 | 224.4333 | 52.67 | 54.27 | 54.88 | 50 | 58.05 | 56.48 | 62.2 |
Michael Raffl | Scott Laughton | Tyler Pitlick | 41 | 23.46667 | 52.38 | 54.84 | 61.9 | 80 | 48 | 52.94 | 40 |
Really? AV trying to counter MTL playing for their coach. No way Lindblom plays.Lindblom might take warmups tonight
Montreal doesn't stand a chance
Really? AV trying to counter MTL playing for their coach. No way Lindblom plays.
THIS....OUR BIG GUNS GOTTA SHOW UP.If top 6 don’t score , we lose again sadly.
This is entirely opinion based. There is no 'best' metric - you need to look at an array of metrics to fully understand the picture. Otherwise, you are heavily skewing your viewpoint to one facet of the game and arent seeing the whole picture.
Looking at Thompaons xGa is a perfect example of this (and no doubt its not a coincidence) because the dude was getting chased every time he was on the ice. When yoire seeing that quantity of chance against in such a short period of time, it doesn't matter if they're high danger or not. If you can't keep possession and keep bleeding chances, you're going to fatigue your goalie ( we know you don't believe in this after your staunch defending of Hakstol running his into the ground), and then even the low danger chances start going in. All of the stats need to be looked at individually to paint the picture of play, which is why everyone treats the continual posting of just CF or just xGA, etc as a joke of an argument, and will continue to do so.
Frost and Giroux played well together, with territorial play largely improving together over individually, indicating that they complemented each other. When Konecny played with them, the line was outstanding, though the goal results hadn't come out yet (5GF, 6GA; 7% on ice shooting %, 89% on ice sv%).[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Player 1 Player 2 GP TOI CF% FF% SF% GF% xGF% SCF% HDCF% Morgan Frost Claude Giroux 20 104.4 57.58 56.57 56.62 41.67 53.77 60 52.17 Morgan Frost w/o Claude Giroux 20 110.8167 44.15 43.07 38.83 50 42.17 47.31 40 w/o Morgan Frost Claude Giroux 69 849.6 53.95 53.8 52.95 56.34 53.91 53.88 53.14 w/o Morgan Frost w/o Claude Giroux 69 2228.733 49.77 49.69 50.78 53.16 49.53 49.26 50.39
Farabee - Couturier - Voracek - both Farabee and Jake had excellent stats alongside Couturier. The full line didn't perform well, but they had fewer than 10 minutes together.
Giroux - Frost - Konecny - Again, this line was excellent in the regular season.
JVR - Hayes - NAK - JVR and Hayes had excellent chemistry aside from the 25 minutes with Jake. NAK and Hayes didn't have much, but I'm not sure when that was in the season.
Raffl - Laughton - Pitlick - Excellent metrics in a limited sample.
As has been mentioned, there are some tactical changes they need to make as well, and overall the players need to be better. But adding Frost really provides you with the opportunity to have 4 dangerous lines.[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 GP TOI CF% FF% SF% GF% xGF% SCF% HDCF% Morgan Frost Travis Konecny Claude Giroux 17 90.5 58.37 56.96 57.26 45.45 54.98 61.61 54.55 Sean Couturier Jakub Voracek N/A 69 502.8833 55.45 54.8 55.14 65.91 55.49 54.59 52.87 Joel Farabee Sean Couturier N/A 52 97.1 53.11 52.9 53.41 75 54.59 52.63 50 Kevin Hayes James van Riemsdyk N/A 66 224.4333 52.67 54.27 54.88 50 58.05 56.48 62.2 Michael Raffl Scott Laughton Tyler Pitlick 41 23.46667 52.38 54.84 61.9 80 48 52.94 40