GDT: ECQF 3: FLYERS (a) vs. Canadiens (h) at Toronto, Sunday, Aug. 16, 2020, 8:00 pm ET

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MONTREAL CANADIENS (31-31-9) vs. PHILADELPHIA FLYERS (41-21-7)
Playoffs: Montreal 4-2-0; Philadelphia 4-1-0
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BROADCAST INFORMATION

TEAMS' WEBSITES
GAME PREVIEW, NOTES and STATISTICS
TEAMS' STATISTICS REGULAR SEASON
TeamsGamesRecordPoints HomeAwayGFGAPP%PK%FO%
Canadiens 7131-31-971 (24th)14-17-617-14-3208 (18th)220 (23rd)17.7 (22nd)78.7 (19th)50.4 (12th)
Flyers6941-21-789 (6th)25-6-416-15-3232 (7th)191 (8th)20.8 (14th)81.8 (11th)54.6 (1st)
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TEAMS' STATISTICS PLAYOFFS

TeamGPRecordPointsHomeAwayGFGAPP%PK%FO%
Canadiens64-2-082-0-02-2-0161015.884.047.7
Flyers54-1-082-1-02-0-01395.376.556.5
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TEAMS' PLAYOFFS LEADERS
Flyers' Goals Leaders: Laughton (3); Farabee (2) and Aube-Kubel (2).
Flyers' Assists Leaders: Hayes (4); Laughton (2), Sanheim (2), Couturier (2), Konecny (2), Gostisbehere (2) and Provorov (2).
Flyers' Points Leaders: Laughton (5); Hayes (4), Farabee (3) and Sanheim (3).
Canadiens' Goals Leaders: Kotkaniemi (4); Weber (3)
Canadiens' Assists Leaders: Byron (3), Gallagher (3) and Domi (3).
Canadiens' Points Leaders: Weber (5); Byron (4) and Kotkaniemi (4)

PHILADELPHIA FLYERS

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Possible Lineup
Lines

28 Claude Giroux -- 14 Sean Couturier -- 93 Jake Voracek
21 Scott Laughton -- 13 Kevin Hayes -- 11 Travis Konecny
25 James van Riemsdyk -- 38 Derek Grant -- 62 Nicolas Aube-Kubel
12 Michael Raffl -- 44 Nate Thompson -- 18 Tyler Pitlick
Pairings
9 Ivan Provorov -- 15 Matt Niskanen
6 Travis Sanheim -- 5 Phil Myers
8 Robert Hagg -- 61 Justin Braun
Goalies
79 Carter Hart is the expected starter.
37 Brian Elliott

Power Plays
PP1: Claude Giroux, Travis Konecny, Sean Couturier, Jake Voracek, Ivan Provorov
PP2: Kevin Hayes, James van Riemsdyk, Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Matt Niskanen, Shayne Gostisbehere

Injuries and Scratches
3 Andy Welinski (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
8 Robert Hagg (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
10 Andy Andreoff (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.
11 Travis Konecny (foot) is expected to play.
12 Michael Raffl (left leg) is possible. He participated in the pregame skate on August 14.

19 Nolan Patrick (migraine disorder, Sep. 26) was placed on LTIR Nov.22. He is not on 31-man roster.
23 Oskar Lindblom (Ewing's sarcoma, Dec. 13; is cancer-free) is with the team in Toronto and could practice soon. He is on 31-man roster.
34 Alex Lyon (healthy) could be scratched as a spare goalie.
48 Morgan Frost (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.
49 Joel Farabee (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.
53 Shayne Gostisbehere (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
54 Egor Zamula (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
59 Mark Friedman
(healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
67 Kirill Ustimenko (healthy) could be scratched as a spare goalie.
82 Connor Bunnaman (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.
MEDIA CONTACTS
Athletic, The

Hockey Buzz
NBC Sports Philadelphia
NHL.com
Adam Kimelman's Twitter -- Adam Kimelman (@NHLAdamK) | Twitter
Philadelphia Daily News and Inquirer
Web site -- Philadelphia Flyers
Sam Carchidi's Twitter -- Sam Carchidi (@BroadStBull) | Twitter

MONTREAL CANADIENS
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Possible Lineup
Lines

90 Tomas Tatar -- 14 Nick Suzuki -- 11 Brendan Gallagher
92 Jonathan Drouin -- 15 Jesperi Kotkaniemi -- 40 Joel Armia
62 Artturi Lehkonen -- 24 Phillip Danault -- 41 Paul Byron

71 Jake Evans -- 13 Max Domi -- 60 Alex Belzile
Pairings
8 Ben Chiarot -- 6 Shea Weber
77 Brett Kulak -- 26 Jeff Petry
61 Xavier Ouellet -- 53 Victor Mete
Goalies
31 Carey Price is the expected starter.
39 Charlie Lindgren

Power Plays
PP1: Phillip Danault, Nick Suzuki, Tomas Tatar, Jonathan Drouin, Shea Weber
PP2: Joel Armia. Brendan Gallagher, Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Max Domi, Jeff Petry

Injuries and Scratches

20 Cale Fleury (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
22 Dale Weise (upper body) could be scratched as a spare forward.

25 Ryan Poehling (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.
30 Cayden Primeau (healthy) could be scratched as a spare goalie.
32 Christian Folin (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.

43 Jordan Weal (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.

45 Laurent Dauphin (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.
46 Josh Brook (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
51 Gustav Olofsson (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
54 Charles Hudon (healthy) could be scratched as a spare forward.
58 Noah Juulsen (healthy) could be scratched as a spare defenseman.
70 Michael McNiven (healthy) could be scratched as a spare goalie.
MEDIA CONTACTS
All Habs

Athletic, The
Web site -- The Athletic Montreal
Marc Dumont's Twitter -- Marc Dumont (@MarcPDumont) | Twitter
Montreal Gazette
Web site -- (no title)
Stu Cowan's Twitter -- Stu Cowan (@StuCowan1) | Twitter
Pat Hickey's Twitter -- Pat Hickey (@zababes1) | Twitter
Rogers SportsNet
TSN 690 Radio
Web site -- Montreal 690
John Lu's Twitter -- John Lu (@JohnLuTSNMtl) | Twitter
TVA Sports
Renaud Lavoie's Twitter -- Renaud Lavoie (@renlavoietva) | Twitter

FLYERS (2-1-0) vs. CANADIENS (1-0-2) 2019-20 RESULTS

DateResultFirst StarHighlights
11/7/19Montreal 2 at Philadelphia 3 (OT)Carey Price Sean Couturier's OT goal in the opening minute. Flyers held a 43-24 shots advantage.
11/30/19Philadelphia 4 at Montreal 3 (OT)Ivan ProvorovIvan Provorov's OT goal in the opening minute. Brian Elliott made 39 saves.
01/16/20Montreal 4 at Philadelphia 1Carey PriceCarey Price made 40 saves and Ilya Kovalchuk scored twice. Alex Lyon made 40 saves in a loss.
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FLYERS-CANADIENS' EASTERN CONFERENCE QUARTERFINALS

Date All Games at TorontoTime (ET)Television Highlights
Wed. August 12Game 1
Montreal 1 at Philadelphia 2
8:00 pmNBCSN, CBC, SN, TVAS, NBCSP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCbxMVZNk_Y
Fri. August 14Game 2
Montreal 5 at Philadelphia 0
3:00 pm NBCSN, CBC, SN, TVAS, NBCSP
Sun. August 16Game 3 Philadelphia at Montreal8:00 pm NBC, CBC, SN, TVAS
Tue. August 18Game 4 Philadelphia at Montreal3:00 pm NBCSN, NBCSP
Wed. August 19Game 5
Montreal at Philadelphia
TBDTBD
Fri. August 21Game 6 Philadelphia at MontrealTBDTBD
Sun. August 23Game 7 Montreal at PhiladelphiaTBDTBD
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FLYERS vs. CANADIENS' PLAYOFFS HISTORY
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SeasonSeries ResultNext Round Advancement
1973Montreal 4-1Montreal advanced to the Cup Finals.
1976Montreal 4-0Montreal won the Cup.
1987Philadelphia 4-2Philadelphia advanced to the Cup Finals
1989Montreal 4-2Montreal advanced to the Cup Finals.
2008Philadelphia 4-1Philadelphia advanced to the ECF.
2010Philadelphia 4-1Philadelphia advanced to the Cup Finals
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flyershockey

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At least AV won't be able to obsessively chase matchups. That seems like a plus at this point.

They need quicker decision making in transition and a more methodical playing style. They can take advantage of the aggressive neutral zone play by Montreal, but if the play is not there, get it deep and lean on the Montreal defense.
 

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Meh, every year we have this arguments, and every year it comes down to the core players - when we didn't have goalies, it didn't matter who you played, when Giroux, Voracek and Ghost go MIA in two playoff series, it doesn't matter either.

Obsessing over the #6 D-man or a forward who'll play 10 minutes is unhealthy.

Playoffs are won by top player playing like top players, either Hart matches Price or we're f**ked.
Either Couts, Giroux, Voracek, Hayes and JVR put some points up or we're not going to win a lot of games.
Either our team plays smarter and makes quicker but also better decisions or we'll get run into the ground.

Bunnaman (Frost) or Thompson aren't going to win or lose the next five games, same with Ghost (1 ES point in 14 real playoff games, RR games don't count as we've seen) or Hagg.

What's a lot more important is how AV will scheme and motivate this team to match the Habs.
 
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Meh, every year we have this arguments, and every year it comes down to the core players - when we didn't have goalies, it didn't matter who you played, when Giroux, Voracek and Ghost go MIA in two playoff series, it doesn't matter either.

Obsessing over the #6 D-man or a forward who'll play 10 minutes is unhealthy.

Playoffs are won by top player playing like top players, either Hart matches Price or we're f**ked.
Either Couts, Giroux, Voracek, Hayes and JVR put some points up or we're not going to win a lot of games.
Either our team plays smarter and makes quicker but also better decisions or we'll get run into the ground.

Bunnaman (Frost) or Thompson aren't going to win or lose the next five games, same with Ghost (1 ES point in 14 real playoff games, RR games don't count as we've seen) or Hagg.

What's a lot more important is how AV will scheme and motivate this team to match the Habs.

Playoffs are won on depth.

Inefficiencies add up. Everything matters.
 

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Everyone stop caring if we win. Don't question the coaches. Don't care about the lineup. Everything comes down to the top players and if we lose it's all their fault. No other roster spot matters. Stop worrying about other players mistakes. They don't play enough to matter. Mistakes don't matter. Nothing matters.

Oh, by the way, we absolutely can NOT put a rookie in the lineup because the coach doesn't like him. He might make a mistake in his limited icetime and we absolutely can't risk that.

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Meh, every year we have this arguments, and every year it comes down to the core players - when we didn't have goalies, it didn't matter who you played, when Giroux, Voracek and Ghost go MIA in two playoff series, it doesn't matter either.

Obsessing over the #6 D-man or a forward who'll play 10 minutes is unhealthy.

Playoffs are won by top player playing like top players, either Hart matches Price or we're f**ked.
Either Couts, Giroux, Voracek, Hayes and JVR put some points up or we're not going to win a lot of games.
Either our team plays smarter and makes quicker but also better decisions or we'll get run into the ground.

Bunnaman (Frost) or Thompson aren't going to win or lose the next five games, same with Ghost (1 ES point in 14 real playoff games, RR games don't count as we've seen) or Hagg.

What's a lot more important is how AV will scheme and motivate this team to match the Habs.

Every year, we have this conversation about how bottom line players "dont matter" and yet here we are, watching our fourth bleed chances AND goals.

One day we'll learn.
 

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The top players need to produce and drive play. The coaches need to adapt to Montreal’s winning game plan and put the players in the most advantageous position to do so. This is tantamount.

But the “depth players don’t really matter” card is a curious one to play in hockey, the sport that glorifies bottom of the roster players like no other. I’m glad to know Fletcher traded multiple picks for meaningless bottom 6 roster spots that were already being filled admirably in house. The performance of which — in 1/3 of the game at least — doesn’t actually matter. (This never has been and never will be a winning argument).
 

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Every year, we have this conversation about how bottom line players "dont matter" and yet here we are, watching our fourth bleed chances AND goals.

One day we'll learn.
Nate Thompson is a bum. But when he has 1 goal in 6 games and G, Couts, tk, Hayes, jvr, and Jake have 1 goal in the same 6 games, well it seems a tad bizarre to lay this on Nate Thompson.

People love preaching “the nothing matters” mantra. Does it matter that those 6 have nothing production wise? I guess with them it’s ok to say “nothing matters.”
 

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But the “depth players don’t really matter” card is a curious one to play in hockey, the sport that glorifies bottom of the roster players like no other. I’m glad to know Fletcher traded multiple picks for meaningless bottom 6 roster spots that were already being filled admirably in house. The performance of which — in 1/3 of the game at least — doesn’t actually matter. Hmm.

Especially when you look at the depth guys for teams that go far in the playoffs. Boston last year had Backes, Nordstom, Heinen, and Johansen giving them solid production at the bottom of the lineup. St. Louis got production from Steen, Thomas, Barbashev, Maroon... Washington had Vrana, Smith-Pelly, Burakovsky... Your top players are going to need to get points, but they're also going to be game planned for and your depth will need to step up to win games. Nobody is saying those guys need to be half point per game players, but production from the bottom six absolutely matters.
 

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Nate Thompson is a bum. But when he has 1 goal in 6 games and G, Couts, tk, Hayes, jvr, and Jake have 1 goal in the same 6 games, well it seems a tad bizarre to lay this on Nate Thompson.

People love preaching “the nothing matters” mantra. Does it matter that those 6 have nothing production wise? I guess with them it’s ok to say “nothing matters.”

Of course the top of the roater matters. But while the top half of the roster may not be scoring, they at least aren't getting scored.

Being a net positive is what matters. Thompaon scored a goal, sure. But he's responsible for letting several more in with his terrible play.
 
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deadhead

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Every year, we have this conversation about how bottom line players "dont matter" and yet here we are, watching our fourth bleed chances AND goals.

One day we'll learn.

Grant - on ice for 0.54 xGA
Thompson - on ice for 1 goal against, 1.22 xGA
Hayes - 1.89
Farabee - 1.78

Ghost - on ice for 1.6 xGA
Sanheim - on ice for 1.88 xGA
Myers - on ice for 2.19 xGA
 

deadhead

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Especially when you look at the depth guys for teams that go far in the playoffs. Boston last year had Backes, Nordstom, Heinen, and Johansen giving them solid production at the bottom of the lineup. St. Louis got production from Steen, Thomas, Barbashev, Maroon... Washington had Vrana, Smith-Pelly, Burakovsky... Your top players are going to need to get points, but they're also going to be game planned for and your depth will need to step up to win games. Nobody is saying those guys need to be half point per game players, but production from the bottom six absolutely matters.

And all of those are veterans except Thomas, who is 6'1 190.

Thompson, Grant, Frost, Bunnaman, none are ideal, I'd prefer Raffl, Patrick and Lindblom myself.

The reason we have this conversation in the past was the lack of good options on the bottom six, this season if we are healthy, we don't have this discussion, next year it's going to be about which solid forward we have to bench.
 

deadhead

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Oh yes, the "let's use one stat with no context" post.

I was wondering when we were going to arrive at this point.

When you start claiming that certain players were allowing oodles of goals without substantiation.
 

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Morgan Frost isn’t going to fly in like Superman and save the day. But he might just make a play that leads to a goal. The Habs certainly haven’t been watching film or game planning for him. So yeah, he might not make a difference, but perhaps he just might.

Since Thompson has been horribly bad and is bringing nothing to the table right now, what the hell do they have to lose?
 
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