East vs West Midseason Update

[Malkin112*]

Scoring per division:

Atlantic: 2,74
Metro: 2,74
Central: 2,67
Pacific: 2,87


East: 2,74
West: 2,77


League: 2,75

looks like Central is pretty tough to score goals

 

[HOLDITHERE*]

That has to do with two teams, the Kings and the Blackhawks, not the Western Conference.

I really don't get the chest-thumping. Are people really that excited about another team winning the Cup that just so happens to play on the same side of North America. Hey guys, we share a time zone with the Kings, now there's something to be proud of!

Right? I will never understand this nonsense. You're team is not better for playing in what you call a better conference. Sure the top Western teams are better, but how does that effect the other 13 teams fans? It's actually making me angry thinking about the stupidity of it all.

Grown men. On the internet. "My favorite team's conference is better,so...so...so...my team is better! Even though they have less points than yours. They play in the Westz!

 

[zeke]

Best records vs. Opposing Conference:

1 PIT: 9gms, 7-2-0, 128pt pace
2 STL: 14gms, 10-3-1, 123pt pace
3 NYR: 14gms, 9-2-3, 123pt pace
4 DET: 10gms, 7-2-1, 123pt pace
5 WPG: 19gms, 11-4-4, 112pt pace
6 NSH: 12gms, 8-4-0, 109pt pace
7 CHI: 16gms, 10-5-1, 108pt pace
8 TBL: 10gms, 6-3-1, 107pt pace
9 FLA: 14gms, 8-4-2, 105pts pace
10 VAN: 17gms, 10-6-1, 101pt pace
11 TOR: 14gms, 8-5-1, 100pt pace
12 ANA: 14gms, 8-5-1, 100pt pace
13 COL: 20gms, 10-7-3, 94pt pace
14 PHI: 15gms, 7-5-3, 93pt pace
15 OTT: 17gms, 8-6-3, 92pt pace
16 EDM: 14gms, 7-6-1, 88pt pace
17 MTL: 16gms, 8-7-1, 87pt pace
18 NYI: 17gms, 9-8-0, 87pt pace
19 MIN: 17gms, 8-8-1, 82pt pace
20 BOS: 15gms, 7-7-1, 82pt pace
21 DAL: 13gms, 6-6-1, 82pt pace
22 WSH: 12gms, 5-5-2, 82pt pace
23 SJS: 17gms, 7-8-2, 77pt pace
24 LAK: 16gms, 6-7-3, 77pt pace
25 CBJ: 15gms, 7-8-0, 77pt pace
26 ARZ: 12gms, 5-6-1, 75pt pace
27 CGY: 19gms, 6-11-2, 60pt pace
28 CAR: 15gms, 5-9-1, 60pt pace
29 NJD: 13gms, 3-7-3, 57pt pace
30 BUF: 14gms, 4-10-0, 47pt pace

 

[zeke]

. Sure the top Western teams are better,

are they?

What makes NSH or ANA better than TB or PIT?

 

[Jeti]

A few top teams in the West are having down years, ex L.A., San Jose, Minnesota. A couple marginal teams in the East are vastly over achieving, ex. Washington, Florida. That explains some of why the record discrepancy has shrunk this year.

Regardless of regular season though, I think western teams are better built for playoff hockey. The East has more superstar players and top heavy teams, while the West has ridiculously deep teams like L.A., St Louis, San Jose.

I don't think the regular season is necessarily the best indication. If you polled fans of western conference teams asking whether they'd rather face Anaheim or L.A.in the first round, I'd bet most would pick Anaheim. The standings are a little weird this year, especially with Nashville near the top.

 

[WeeBey]

Right? I will never understand this nonsense. You're team is not better for playing in what you call a better conference. Sure the top Western teams are better, but how does that effect the other 13 teams fans? It's actually making me angry thinking about the stupidity of it all.

Grown men. On the internet. "My favorite team's conference is better,so...so...so...my team is better! Even though they have less points than yours. They play in the Westz!

They should start giving teams from the West a "Played in the Western Conference" banner every year. Maybe that would make fans feel better.

 

[zeke]

A few top teams in the West are having down years, ex L.A., San Jose, Minnesota. A couple marginal teams in the East are vastly over achieving, ex. Washington, Florida. That explains some of why the record discrepancy has shrunk this year.

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Some might say marginal western teams like NSH, VAN, WPG are vastly over achieving, while a few top teams in the east are having down years like BOS, NYR, PHI.

 

[WeeBey]

A few top teams in the West are having down years, ex L.A., San Jose, Minnesota. A couple marginal teams in the East are vastly over achieving, ex. Washington, Florida. That explains some of why the record discrepancy has shrunk this year.

Or maybe some of those West teams are getting worse and those East teams are getting better? I'm not a Florida fan but they've got a lot of good young players (Barkov, Bjugstad, Ekblad, Gudbranson, Huberdeau) and a legit #1 goalie for the first time in years. It's not that surprising that they'd be trending upwards. Also, they're not even in a playoff spot right now so I don't know how badly you could say they're overachieving.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I wonder if all of the "West is the bestest ever in the whole wide world" people with their inferiority complex who last year said that the west having a good record early against the east was proof of its superiority will now say it's even because it's pretty even. Or does that only work when it fits your narrative?

I've noticed it mostly comes from fans of the weaker Western teams.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The West is out there, mixing it up and playing the toughest minutes against the best in the game every night, day in, day out. While the east, well, the east is playing the east.

And what is your proof that the West is better? You realize that the exact same argument could be made for the East, right? Out East battling against the good teams, go for a little vacation out west and win a game while you are nursing your injuries?

edit: above post confirmed. Flames fan spotted.

 

[Cawz]

I wonder if all of the "West is the bestest ever in the whole wide world" people with their inferiority complex who last year said that the west having a good record early against the east was proof of its superiority will now say it's even because it's pretty even. Or does that only work when it fits your narrative?

I dont think you fully understand the term "inferiority complex".

The western conference has been better head to head for quite a few years, and western fans have been stating this. Thats not an inferiority complex. Thats telling it like it is.

The eastern conference has been worse head to head for quite a few years. Some fans of that conference use all types of excuses, exaggerations, cherry-picking etc in an attempt to contradict reality. Thats more of an inferiority complex.

This year the stats show that the conferences are very close to even, so I'm not sure why fans wouldnt say so. We will have to see if the trend continues, to determine if this is a anomaly or a real actual trend. Only time will tell.

If the trend does continue and the conferences even out, I guess a congratulation is in order?

 

[Nothingman*]

This is an interesting comparison. But when it really matter, Cup time, I will pick the West 11 out of 10 times against the east.

 

[WeeBey]

I dont think you fully understand the term "inferiority complex".

The western conference has been better head to head for quite a few years, and western fans have been stating this. Thats not an inferiority complex. Thats telling it like it is.

The eastern conference has been worse head to head for quite a few years. Some fans of that conference use all types of excuses, exaggerations, cherry-picking etc in an attempt to contradict reality. Thats more of an inferiority complex.

This year the stats show that the conferences are very close to even, so I'm not sure why fans wouldnt say so. We will have to see if the trend continues, to determine if this is a anomaly or a real actual trend. Only time will tell.

If the trend does continue and the conferences even out, I guess a congratulation is in order?

You've got it the wrong way around. An inferiority complex is a lack confidence and self-worth which leads to overcompensation. In this case, the overcompensation comes in the form of Western fans incessant reminders that they're the tougher conference.

 

[Jeti]

Some might say marginal western teams like NSH, VAN, WPG are vastly over achieving, while a few top teams in the east are having down years like BOS, NYR, PHI.

Some might say that. They'd be wrong. How are the Rangers having a down year? They've been a better playoff team than regular season team for years now. Boston has been dropping off for some time now. Philadelphia's defense is a train wreck. I agree Nashville is probably over achieving somewhat but their Corsi is very good. All those western teams upgraded their rosters this year.

Or maybe some of those West teams are getting worse and those East teams are getting better? I'm not a Florida fan but they've got a lot of good young players (Barkov, Bjugstad, Ekblad, Gudbranson, Huberdeau) and a legit #1 goalie for the first time in years. It's not that surprising that they'd be trending upwards. Also, they're not even in a playoff spot right now so I don't know how badly you could say they're overachieving.

All the teams I mentioned except Florida are the same teams they were last year. L.A. did not get worse. Again, do you really think the regular season means that much? Would you rather your team faces Detroit in the playoffs or L.A. (hypothetically, I know they're in different conferences now)? That was my main point anyway. The west has more teams built for the playoffs.

 

[DanZ]

are they?

What makes NSH or ANA better than TB or PIT?

You're forgetting the teams with the last 4 out of 5 Cups.

 

[Cawz]

You've got it the wrong way around. An inferiority complex is a lack confidence and self-worth which leads to overcompensation. In this case, the overcompensation comes in the form of Western fans incessant reminders that they're the tougher conference.

But they were the tougher conference for many years, by any metric you can imagine to use.

If Team A beats Team B significantly more than the other way around, Team A is fair in saying they are the better team. Team B is showing an inferiority complex if they are saying they are the better team because of (insert excuse or cherry picked stats here).

 

[zeke]

Some might say that. They'd be wrong. How are the Rangers having a down year? They've been a better playoff team than regular season team for years now. Boston has been dropping off for some time now. Philadelphia's defense is a train wreck. I agree Nashville is probably over achieving somewhat but their Corsi is very good. All those western teams upgraded their rosters this year.
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Seems like you're wrong, actually.

Boston had the best record in hockey last year, and the 4th best corsi too. In what world is that "dropping off"? They still have the 7th best corsi this year, BTW.

Philly'a D is a train wreck, and Minny's goaltending is a train wreck, why does one count and not the other?

And how on earth did the canucks make improvements?

Seems you're full of blatant double standards.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

The blues have owned the East so bad the last few years it has definitely made me think if the blues were in the metro they would win 55 games easy with 120pts

The blues wouldn't survive the metro. It's a bloodbath playoff game every time those teams play each other.

 

[WeeBey]

All the teams I mentioned except Florida are the same teams they were last year. L.A. did not get worse. Again, do you really think the regular season means that much? Would you rather your team faces Detroit in the playoffs or L.A. (hypothetically, I know they're in different conferences now)? That was my main point anyway. The west has more teams built for the playoffs.

"Getting worse" doesn't necessarily mean personnel changes. It can be your team getting older, not addressing a need or quite simply, other teams around you getting better.

 

[zeke]

Looking at corsi:

TBL 55.0 --- LAK 54.7
DET 54.1 --- CHI 54.4
NYI 53.6 ---- MIN 52.6
BOS 52.2 --- NSH 52.4
FLA 52.1 --- WPG 51.9
PIT 51.5 ---- SJS 51.3
CAR 51.3 --- DAL 51.0
WSH 50.6 -- STL 51.0
NYR 50.2 --- ANA 51.0
OTT 48.9 --- VAN 49.4
NJD 48.9 --- EDM 49.4
MTL 48.7 --- ARZ 48.9
PHI 48.5 ----
CBJ 46.0 --- COL 44.3
TOR 44.9 --- CGY 44.1
BUF 37.4 ---

 

[Samcanadian]

West is still better, it would appear.

And the Eastern Conference fans still argue...

 

[Stuzchuk]

Yeah I think we're done with the "Western is so much tougher" argument. It's close now.

did an excel speadsheet last year regarding that debate... since the 05 lockout it was close to .500 and the cups being +1 (now +2) in favor of the western conference... its too close to call but the better defense seems to be in the west

 

[WeeBey]

But they were the tougher conference for many years, by any metric you can imagine to use.

Yes. Exactly. But the West's inferiority complex (lack of confidence, self worth) leads them to constantly remind the East that they're the better conference. The "West is best" threads are never in response to someone claiming the opposite.

If Team A beats Team B significantly more than the other way around, Team A is fair in saying they are the better team. Team B is showing an inferiority complex if they are saying they are the better team because of (insert excuse or cherry picked stats here).

You're describing a superiority complex which a lot of Eastern teams fans have.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Best records vs. Opposing Conference:

1 PIT: 9gms, 7-2-0, 128pt pace
2 STL: 14gms, 10-3-1, 123pt pace
3 NYR: 14gms, 9-2-3, 123pt pace
4 DET: 10gms, 7-2-1, 123pt pace
5 WPG: 19gms, 11-4-4, 112pt pace
6 NSH: 12gms, 8-4-0, 109pt pace
7 CHI: 16gms, 10-5-1, 108pt pace
8 TBL: 10gms, 6-3-1, 107pt pace
9 FLA: 14gms, 8-4-2, 105pts pace
10 VAN: 17gms, 10-6-1, 101pt pace
11 TOR: 14gms, 8-5-1, 100pt pace
12 ANA: 14gms, 8-5-1, 100pt pace
13 COL: 20gms, 10-7-3, 94pt pace
14 PHI: 15gms, 7-5-3, 93pt pace
15 OTT: 17gms, 8-6-3, 92pt pace
16 EDM: 14gms, 7-6-1, 88pt pace
17 MTL: 16gms, 8-7-1, 87pt pace
18 NYI: 17gms, 9-8-0, 87pt pace
19 MIN: 17gms, 8-8-1, 82pt pace
20 BOS: 15gms, 7-7-1, 82pt pace
21 DAL: 13gms, 6-6-1, 82pt pace
22 WSH: 12gms, 5-5-2, 82pt pace
23 SJS: 17gms, 7-8-2, 77pt pace
24 LAK: 16gms, 6-7-3, 77pt pace
25 CBJ: 15gms, 7-8-0, 77pt pace
26 ARZ: 12gms, 5-6-1, 75pt pace
27 CGY: 19gms, 6-11-2, 60pt pace
28 CAR: 15gms, 5-9-1, 60pt pace
29 NJD: 13gms, 3-7-3, 57pt pace
30 BUF: 14gms, 4-10-0, 47pt pace

Pittsburgh has owned the west for years. Even noting that Pittsburgh has a pretty great record over the past few years, against the west it is year in and year out ridiculously high. Very similar to this year. Not sure why, but after basically the better part of a decade of this it is not just a statistical blip.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Ah yes, Western fans are insecure and don't have self confidence.