Potential?
1. He's older than RNH
2. He's 26 years old, turning 27 halfway through the year. He is now he is at this point, don't sell "potential" for a player his age.
The value is about the same or RNH is a bit more. For now anyways.
First RNH is cost controlled for two more seasons longer, which I feel is very important. Unless Duchene regresses even more his next contract is going to be the same if not more. The argument that Duchene's terrible year was because he played on a crappy team doesn't hold much water, RNH had been in the same spot and still performed and didn't go asking for a trade. RNH is definitely less of a drama queen and a more professional personality.
You can't argue that RNH is over paid compared to Duchene. As last season goes both got paid the same and both put up near identical stats. So if RNH is overpaid, so is Duchene. Which makes that point null and irrelevant.
Duchene is the better player... but RNH has the 4 years of term, thus giving the new team certainty beyond MDs 2 yrs. I think that you're right, when these guys are traded, the values will be fairly similar.
The value is about the same or RNH is a bit more. For now anyways.
First RNH is cost controlled for two more seasons longer, which I feel is very important. Unless Duchene regresses even more his next contract is going to be the same if not more. The argument that Duchene's terrible year was because he played on a crappy team doesn't hold much water, RNH had been in the same spot and still performed and didn't go asking for a trade. RNH is definitely less of a drama queen and a more professional personality.
You can't argue that RNH is over paid compared to Duchene. As last season goes both got paid the same and both put up near identical stats. So if RNH is overpaid, so is Duchene. Which makes that point null and irrelevant.
Duchene' s 70 point season is 4 years removed. Since then they've been pretty close to equal points wise. Last year Duchene was 1st line centre and 1st line PP. RNH was 2nd line centre and 2nd line PP. Switch RNH to first line and first line PP and he easily out performs Duchene.
Duchess has more value aiec
Duchene 6GP 4PtsRNH seems like a passive type of player to me. Not nearly as quick as Duchene. And both guys have been playing on **** teams for awhile. 13-14 Avs and last year's Oilers being the outliers.
Duchene at his best was one of Canada's impact players. Only players I saw who matched or exceeded him in the World Cup were Tavares and the Sid line. I don't think RNH has that level in him.
Duchene 6GP 4Pts
RNH 3GP 3Pts
DOMINANT!
Can't understand why Duchene gets a pass for a **** season but a younger RNH is garbage.
Yeah it makes perfect sense when the 24 year old has never had more than 56 points and the 26 year old has multiple 60+ point seasons and a 70 point in 71 game season
RNH isn't trash, his value just isn't close to Duchene's value.
RNH's career year is basically equivalent to Duchene's rookie season. Not to mention the fact that Duchene is a better faceoff man and probably the better two way player (this is pretty close IMO).
Even in Duchene's worst year in his entire career, playing for the worst team in 20 years, Duchene still clipped RNH in pts/game. Not to mention RNH played on a team that was a game away from the conference finals.
Duchene doesn't get a pass for a **** season it happened there is no denying it. He does on the other hand get the benefit of the doubt as he has proven over multiple seasons that he is a different player than he showed last season.
RNH is a middle of the road 2C, he has value equivalent to that. Duchene is a lower end 1C, and should have value equivalent to that. There is nothing more to this particular debate.
Come on now...
RNH best season is 0.84 ppg (his rookie). That is NOT equivalent to Duchene's rookie season (0.68ppg)... unless you'd like to mention it took RNH 20 fewer games to get to his 50ish points vs Duchene.
These guys scored at as fractionally close to identical rates this year as you can get. 0.01 difference in points per game amounts to 0.82 points over an entire season. That's right... 1 point if we are generous. And it has been well documented that RNH was playing in a shut down role this year... and did well in it.
The career record, and it is substantial enough to draw conclusions says:
1) RNH is a 55 point C... bottom end 1C or top end #2C. (including 3 finishes in the top 30 for C)
2) It depends on which Duchene shows up... the one that cares is a mid-tier 1C. The one that doesn't is a mid-tier #2C.
If Duchene were as good as you think he is, the difference in CAREER PPG would not be 0.06, or 5 points on a season.
The difference between the two is how they've scored their points. Duchene has led the Avs in scoring 4 times. He has 5 20+ goal seasons, including his 30 goal season. He also has 2 40+ assist seasons.
Looking at RNH, he's never led the team in scoring, has only scored 20 goals once, and has never had 40 assists in a season.
So, if you want to blame RNH's low totals on the fact that he's only managed to stay healthy enough to play in 71 games per 82 game season, go for it. I'll take the guy who plays in more games, scores more points, and helps his team more.
0.67 points per game vs 0.73 points per game.
That's the difference between 55 and 60 points on the season.
These guys statistically are not that different. And one is 3 years younger and under contract longer and used in a more defensive role (which perhaps explains offensive production) vs playing in an offensive role and "giving up" on a terrible squad.
It amazes me that the Colorado guys are being defended as immune to the bottom feeding Avs. When our guys (Hall, Ebs, RNH) were leading our team to the bottom they were soundly criticized... but nobody EVER whispered they had quit (which we are hearing out of Col). How does a player who may have "quit" on his org retain any value?
Is there any truth to the rumblings that Duchene might not report to training camp if he doesn't get traded?
This would be a stake in the heart for the Avs IMO. For all this 'helps his team' stuff, he absolutely outright quit on his team last year and everyone saw it. Refusing to report would be a dagger.
^^^ my buddy is a massive Avs fan and said he saw this somewhere. I have no idea if there's any truth to it.
Is there any truth to the rumblings that Duchene might not report to training camp if he doesn't get traded?
This would be a stake in the heart for the Avs IMO. For all this 'helps his team' stuff, he absolutely outright quit on his team last year and everyone saw it. Refusing to report would be a dagger.
^^^ my buddy is a massive Avs fan and said he saw this somewhere. I have no idea if there's any truth to it.