News Article: Dubas: unlikely Matthews and Marner would sign an extension before Oct. 3

hfman

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Did you happen to skip the assists?

his assists are huge too (double his goals totals)

but 20 goals doesn't get you 8 million in this league. Everyone involved in the negotiations already know this.

so this isn't about money.

which leads to one of the only few conclusions remaining: he doesn't want to play for the leafs
 

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his assists are huge too (double his goals totals)

but 20 goals doesn't get you 8 million in this league. Everyone involved in the negotiations already know this.

so this isn't about money.

which leads to one of the only few conclusions remaining: he doesn't want to play for the leafs
But you’re talking as if the only thing that matters is the 20+ goals. Assists count as well. What if he got 20 goals and 70 assists?
 

hfman

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But you’re talking as if the only thing that matters is the 20+ goals. Assists count as well. What if he got 20 goals and 70 assists?

20 goals and 60 assists doesn't fetch 8 million in this league. they already know that.


so one of the few remaining answers here is that he just doesn't want to play on this team
 
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shortfuze

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20 goals and 60 assists doesn't fetch 8 million in this league. they already know that.


so one of the few remaining answers here is that he just doesn't want to play on this team
So an 80 point player doesn’t fetch 8 million? It generally goes that for about every 10 points, it’s worth a million dollars.
 

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20 goals and 60 assists doesn't fetch 8 million in this league. they already know that.


so one of the few remaining answers here is that he just doesn't want to play on this team

Joe Thornton’s last few contract would beg to differ. He hasn’t hit above 21 goals in over 9 years (usually under 20 in that time frame)
 

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TRAIK-EOTOMY: Leafs’ Marner has most to gain from Matthews’ absence
It’s Mitch Marner, who with Matthews temporarily out of the picture should have a good chance of leading the team in points for the second straight season.

If so, you can make a strong argument that Marner deserves every penny that Matthews will get on his next contract. That’s the advantage in the decision by Marner’s camp to wait until the end of the season to negotiate.

In September, he might have been worth $8 million annually. By July, he could be in the $10-$12 million range.


While the Leafs are still unsure as to what type of player Nylander is going to be, Marner’s value to the team is becoming clearer with each passing day. He’s a points-producer, regardless of where he plays or with whom. And despite his size, he’s a durable one.
With Matthews missing 20 games last season and likely a dozen more this year, that last part shouldn’t be overlooked. It’s not how many points a player is on pace for. It’s what he actually produces.

And so far, Marner has been producing 146 points to Matthews’ 148 — a gap that is shrinking with each game Matthews misses.
 

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Marner's agent hints there will be no hometown discount this time around:

Speaking of the GM, it’s difficult to fathom why Dubas didn’t sign Marner to a contract extension before this season. The summertime buzz was that an eight-year deal worth an annual average of around $9 million U.S. might have done it. As it is, Marner’s agent, Darren Ferris, said last month that he wasn’t interested in negotiating once the season began. And as for taking a hometown discount, Ferris told TSN radio a while back: “Mitch did that on his first contract, even against my wishes.”
 
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Outside of the franchise Centres, and.....Drai, whats the richest RFA contracts? I don't understand how the market is expected to inflate so drastically because these guys are playing in Toronto. I love Marner, and would love to see him retire a Leaf, but for 10-12M?
 

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Mark Hunter on Maple Leafs-Nylander stalemate: ‘Spring was the time' - Sportsnet.ca
Hunter described the issue of getting the Maple Leafs’ trio of young, extension-eligible star forwards—Auston Matthews, Mitchel Marner and Nylander—all inked to long-term deals as a “big, big” challenge.

“It’s easy to always look back at things, but spring was the time,” Hunter said. “It’s tough. He’s got a lot of work to do on those three players.”


Though not directly linked to the Nylander impasse, a conference panel on player analysis that featured Hunter discussed issues of player entitlement and invasive parents. A reporter later raised those subjects in a discussion with Hunter regarding Nylander.

“But he’s a helluva player, too,” Hunter countered. “It’s easy to say it. Everybody says, ‘Trade him!’ Yeah? Trade? What are you going to replace him with? He’s a good player.”

Prior to the stalemate, Nylander — a winger with centre potential — posted consecutive 61-point seasons and had established himself as a dangerous complement to Matthews on the Maple Leafs’ first line.

Yet in two trips to the playoffs, these young, talented Leafs are still on a quest to reach the second round as their entry-level deals expire.

“He’s a top-end player,” Hunter stressed. “Everyone talks about one playoff round, but one playoff round is not going to define a top-end star player like him.”
 

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his assists are huge too (double his goals totals)

but 20 goals doesn't get you 8 million in this league. Everyone involved in the negotiations already know this.

so this isn't about money.

which leads to one of the only few conclusions remaining: he doesn't want to play for the leafs

Nylander got 60 points in his first two seasons, is one of the league's best players at zone entries, and clearly will continue to improve.

Saying "20 goals doesn't get you 8 million" is frankly, just a dishonest way of talking about what he's worth.

And I'm not saying he should get 8, but your framing is just ridiculous. If he were just a "20 goal" scorer we would be talking 2-4 million and not a lot of term. You know he's better than that.
 
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Yea no ****. Takes 2 sides to make a deal, I'm sure you know that...

Sure, I also know you need to understand market pressures and I think Dubas is heading for a world of hurt the closer that Matthews and Marner move to RFA status.

The closer other teams can whisper big $$$ in their ears, likely what is happening with Nylander now the hard it will be to try and get "discounts" by Dubas.

If Dubas has to match a $15-16 mil offfersheet next summer for Matthews Leafs entire cap structure will be out of wack after he matches to keep him.
 

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20 goals and 60 assists doesn't fetch 8 million in this league. they already know that.


so one of the few remaining answers here is that he just doesn't want to play on this team
These are facts.

Can't be disputed
 

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Sure, I also know you need to understand market pressures and I think Dubas is heading for a world of hurt the closer that Matthews and Marner move to RFA status.

The closer other teams can whisper big $$$ in their ears, likely what is happening with Nylander now the hard it will be to try and get "discounts" by Dubas.

If Dubas has to match a $15-16 mil offfersheet next summer for Matthews Leafs entire cap structure will be out of wack after he matches to keep him.
Dubas isnt like Nonis who makes horrible decisions
 
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Of course both players have to be willing to sign these Offer Sheets, seems like stretch.

Neither player would sign one because they know it would be matched and they wouldn’t want to put the team in jeopardy, they would however use the potential offer sheets they get as leverage for more pay. They have shown us enough that they will get a contract they deserve unless their ask is not in line with their comparables.
 

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