Rumor: Dubas big game hunting? Where there is smoke there is Jakob Chychrun?

[mikeyz]

Overall, I agree. However, I think last year's team was an exception. I thought they played hard enough to win and were undone by bad luck and very questionable officiating.

I agree with this.

 

[Hellcat]

Holl will be scratched for the Chicago game - trade incoming or a wake up call?

Wednesday pairings will be

Rielly - Brodie
Gio-Lily
Sandin - Timmins

Matthews took line rushes suggesting he will be back at center on Wednesday.

 

[Menzinger]

Holl will be scratched for the Chicago game - trade incoming or a wake up call?

Wednesday pairings will be

Rielly - Brodie
Gio-Lily
Sandin - Timmins

Matthews took line rushes suggesting he will be back at center on Wednesday.

Seems like it's coaching related. Keefe apparently said to the media recently that his game had "slipped".

 

[Pebble live]

Seems like it's coaching related. Keefe apparently said to the media recently that his game had "slipped".

Okay, thats fair. But you're paying the guy 2M a season and you want him to be a top 4 guy on your team?

If I'm Holl I don't give a shit.

 

[Hellcat]

Okay, thats fair. But you're paying the guy 2M a season and you want him to be a top 4 guy on your team?

If I'm Holl I don't give a shit.

It's his UFA year, he better give a shit or he will be making league min next year.

 

[Buds17]

Fair enough that Keefe isn't overly impressed with Holl's game at the moment. I can't imagine that a d-man recently signed to a two-year deal would have spent the rest of the season being a healthy scratch with the full complement of blueliners available to the team.

 

[ULF_55]

Holl being held out for trade purposes ... don't want him to get injured.

Do I really need to add this:

 

[egd27]

Keep in mind that Tampa has the big advantage of being in a “no tax” state. So they can pay less, but the players get more.

Forgot that one when I was making my excuse list a couple of weeks ago. Thanks

 

[Dekes For Days]

Holl being held out for trade purposes ... don't want him to get injured.

No he's not. They just want to get Timmins in, and Holl didn't have a great last game.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Zona rejected Leafs offer for Jakob C .. rumour was Sandin, Robertson and 2024 1st rounder .. looks like Kings and Bruins are final 2 left .. 2 1st rounders and a player on roster and/or prime time prospect is new ask .. 4 guys is too much especially with 2 1st rounders as da ask .. i still think there is a good chance no one will bite on Zona ask .. gotta give Zona GM credit for getting a bidding war going .. hopefully it ends soon

 

[Hellcat]

Zona rejected Leafs offer for Jakob C .. rumour was Sandin, Robertson and 2024 1st rounder .. looks like Kings and Bruins are final 2 left .. 2 1st rounders and a player on roster and/or prime time prospect is new ask .. 4 guys is too much especially with 2 1st rounders as da ask .. i still think there is a good chance no one will bite on Zona ask .. gotta give Zona GM credit for getting a bidding war going .. hopefully it ends soon

Did you get that from a tweet? YouTube? Insider?

 

[IPS]

Zona rejected Leafs offer for Jakob C .. rumour was Sandin, Robertson and 2024 1st rounder .. looks like Kings and Bruins are final 2 left .. 2 1st rounders and a player on roster and/or prime time prospect is new ask .. 4 guys is too much especially with 2 1st rounders as da ask .. i still think there is a good chance no one will bite on Zona ask .. gotta give Zona GM credit for getting a bidding war going .. hopefully it ends soon

If the Bruins are going hard after him that almost confirms to me that the kid is as good as advertised. Starting to make me wish we put in a serious push for him.

 

[Hellcat]

Read this on TSN:

The asking price for Chychrun is (2) 1st rounder, 2nd rounder and a "A" prospect. If this is teh case I hope Kyle walks away.

The asking price for Gabrikov is a 1st, 3rd and a 4th.

Considering Horvat was a LW Anthony Beauvillier, C Aatu Raty and a conditional 2023 first round pick. Are these asking prices a little steep? It was supposed to be a buyers market

 

[Its not your fault]

Luxury shopping aside, if we can get low-hanging fruit like Nick Seeler and Nick Deslauriers from Philadelphia, and a retained Adam Henrique, you inject serviceable veteran grit and competition into needed spots throughout the lineup without mortgaging our pipeline.

Seems like easy moves to make while positioning for any possible homerun swings.

Realistic to think we already have that home run power. Also why they should get like 2 more veteran defenseman if possible or at least 1 more. Injurys happen. If they really want more scoring they can get a kessel and play them 5 on 5 every so often and 2nd powerplay.
I think you get a heavyweight and a 2 way center, Kessel can just dump or hold the puck. Rest crash the net or boards. Also gets you someone with knuckles and they can mostly sit while you use your center in the defense zone to shifting to a more offensive center once you clear the zone. Maybe pk for their playing time. Kessel odd shift and 2nd PP. There's your 4th line. Load up the other 3.

 

[Cleetus]

Read this on TSN:

The asking price for Chychrun is (2) 1st rounder, 2nd rounder and a "A" prospect. If this is teh case I hope Kyle walks away.

The asking price for Gabrikov is a 1st, 3rd and a 4th.

Considering Horvat was a LW Anthony Beauvillier, C Aatu Raty and a conditional 2023 first round pick. Are these asking prices a little steep? It was supposed to be a buyers market

I think the prices come down, once teams do not want to pony up multiple first rounders, and high end prospects, its the Ask, heck I can ask 40 grand for a 2004 Dodge Dakota, that pos will still be sitting in my driveway forever lmao!

 

[Hellcat]

Forgot to add apparently Kane gave Chicago a short list to trade with before Tarasenko was traded, NYR and Toronto.

NYR thought Chicagos ask for Kane was "f*cking ridiclous" so they moved on to St Lou.

I'm reading a lot of talk around Barbarshev to Toronto, seems like the most likely destination for him.

Apparently Meier is most likely headed to NJ or Carolina. CLB has apparently showed interest in Chychrun,

 

[ACC1224]

I think the prices come down, once teams do not want to pony up multiple first rounders, and high end prospects, its the Ask, heck I can ask 40 grand for a 2004 Dodge Dakota, that pos will still be sitting in my driveway forever lmao!

That's the thing, when you have two weeks to sell something you don't list your best price until the end.
Not sure why anyone expects any different, maybe they've never sold anything?

 

[Hellcat]

I think the prices come down, once teams do not want to pony up multiple first rounders, and high end prospects, its the Ask, heck I can ask 40 grand for a 2004 Dodge Dakota, that pos will still be sitting in my driveway forever lmao!

I'm a Dodge man ... easy young fella .. I got 485 hp of HEMI power sitting in my garage right now, waiting for the warm weather.

That's the thing, when you have two weeks to sell something you don't list your best price until the end.
Not sure why anyone expects any different, maybe they've never sold anything?

That's the thing Cheech has always been 2 first rounders + + +, the 'Yotes have always had a high sticker price on Cheech and have no reason to sell low in 2 weeks.

 

[Petrus]

Zona rejected Leafs offer for Jakob C .. rumour was Sandin, Robertson and 2024 1st rounder .. looks like Kings and Bruins are final 2 left .. 2 1st rounders and a player on roster and/or prime time prospect is new ask .. 4 guys is too much especially with 2 1st rounders as da ask .. i still think there is a good chance no one will bite on Zona ask .. gotta give Zona GM credit for getting a bidding war going .. hopefully it ends soon

Maybe Toronto can give one of Knies or 2023 first (but not both) instead of 2024 1st rounder.

Which do you think holds more value: Knies or the 2023 1st round pick?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Which do you think holds more value: Knies or the 2023 1st round pick?

In terms of value, Knies > 2023 1st round pick > 2024 1st round pick.
But that suggested Leafs offer and rejection isn't actually real.

 

[Its not your fault]

I'm a Dodge man ... easy young fella .. I got 485 hp of HEMI power sitting in my garage right now, waiting for the warm weather.



That's the thing Cheech has always been 2 first rounders + + +, the 'Yotes have always had a high sticker price on Cheech and have no reason to sell low in 2 weeks.

If he's an injury risk and it looks like he could be there very well could be reason to sell now.

 

[Hellcat]

Maybe Toronto can give one of Knies or 2023 first (but not both) instead of 2024 1st rounder.

Which do you think holds more value: Knies or the 2023 1st round pick?

I think it depends on the teams needs, the 2023 1st round is REALLY deep. Knies could play in the NHL today, not sure if he would be a top 6 guy but he's pretty close.

 

[ACC1224]

Zona rejected Leafs offer for Jakob C .. rumour was Sandin, Robertson and 2024 1st rounder .. looks like Kings and Bruins are final 2 left .. 2 1st rounders and a player on roster and/or prime time prospect is new ask .. 4 guys is too much especially with 2 1st rounders as da ask .. i still think there is a good chance no one will bite on Zona ask .. gotta give Zona GM credit for getting a bidding war going .. hopefully it ends soon

Robertson wouldn't hold much value anymore so that offer is a little underwhelming, not surprised it was turned down.
Appreciate the info though

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Did you get that from a tweet? YouTube? Insider?

Sitting at Hot Stove today with da boys as its been awhile .. getting prime rib soon .. just heard it again from Tucks .. dude can still drink .. Leafs are out .. Dubie passed on da ask .. Bruins and Kings duking it out

 

[mjd1001]

In terms of value, Knies > 2023 1st round pick > 2024 1st round pick.
But that suggested Leafs offer and rejection isn't actually real.

If you need to give the 2023 first rounder to get it done do it.
Take the deepest drafts in the past 2 decades, and the chance of you getting a real impact player in the bottom 5 or 10 (where Toronto will be picking) is well under 50%. Even if you would get an impact player, you aren't getting a star, and even if you DID it would not be someone you could use for the next 5 years if not longer. With that pick what are even the odds that player EVENTUALLY turns out to be as good as Chychrun?

Maybe people will think it is an overpay, but remember, the Leafs are not comparing this deal to what other deals in the past were, they are competing against other teams that are likely to get in the playoffs. Not only is he addding to your team, but you are potentially keeping him away from a team you may have to play.

With the team the way it is...with maybe the best forward group the Leafs have had in our lifetime...I don't care about what it does to the team 4-5+ years down the road, if you can get a young (fits in with your core) D-man who is going to be top 4 back there, maybe top 2, get it done.

If a 2023 late first, and Knies, and another throw in prospect gets it done (maybe they will retain some salary), just do it.