News Article: Dougie Hamilton vs. Seth Jones

[Easternbull]

I went with Jones he can help you win Dougie can also be a game braker but had some defensive brain farts against tampa, Jones is the complete package IMHO.

BUT according to Kimmo Timonen the flyers already have some very good young defencemen who you could build a winning team around, the problem in his opinion is that they are not getting enough and the right type of coaching during games.

Kimmon understands how big a loss Niskanen was but he also thinks there needs to be some changes on the coaching of the defence.

I RAELY hope Kimmo one day will get tired of playing golf and having barbeques with Hartnell and that he wil become one of the coaches to help these young defencemen resch their potential.

He is the right man for the job.

Whar about signing UFA's oleksiak and savard and not trading any of provorov,sannheim or myers.

I don't think Jones is willing to sign long term in Philly he is going to do that in Dallas and Colorado will rent him for an all in season..

 

[Rebels57]

I went with Jones he can help you win Dougie can also be a game braker but had some defensive brain farts against tampa, Jones is the complete package IMHO.

BUT accordinfgto Kimmo Timonen the flyers already have some very good young defencemen who you could build a winning team around, the problem in his opinion is that they are not getting enough and the right type of coaching during games.

Kimmon understands how big a loss Niskanen was but he also thinks there needs to be some changes on the coaching of the defence.

I RAELY hope Kimmo one day will get tired of playing golf and having barbeques with Hartnell and that he wil become one of the coaches to help these young defencemen resch their potential.

He is the right man for the job.

Whar about signing UFA's oleksiak and savard and not trading any of provorov,sannheim or myers.

I don't think Jones is willing to sign long term in Philly he is going to do that in Dallas and Colorado will rent him for an all in season..

What is the Jones/Dallas connection?

 

[Easternbull]

Think he or his family is originaly from there--

 

[TCTC]

I think Dallas needs a LD, not a RD though. They have Heiskanen and Klingberg who both are RHD.

 

[renberg]

I still go back to not wanting the third best defenseman on their respective teams. Hamilton is going to break the hearts of the fans for the team that signs him-ask them in Boston, Calgary and Carolina. Jones is becoming a creation of the media that wants to make him into something more than he is. I'm hoping that Colorado jumps in and nabs Jones and Toronto signs Hamilton. The Flyers will have to pursue others like Ellis or Savard. In the long run, these second choice players will do as well or better than Hamilton or Jones would have done here when you consider the assets and contracts that it would take to get them.

 

[The Madrigal]

I still go back to not wanting the third best defenseman on their respective teams. Hamilton is going to break the hearts of the fans for the team that signs him-ask them in Boston, Calgary and Carolina. Jones is becoming a creation of the media that wants to make him into something more than he is. I'm hoping that Colorado jumps in and nabs Jones and Toronto signs Hamilton. The Flyers will have to pursue others like Ellis or Savard. In the long run, these second choice players will do as well or better than Hamilton or Jones would have done here when you consider the assets and contracts that it would take to get them.

I wouldn't put Ellis and Savard in the same sentence. Ellis is a legit top pairing guy, Savard is not.

Your points about Hamilton are legit. Defenseman with his talent level rarely end up looking for their fourth team before they turn 30 years old without good reason. Obviously he isn't a stalwart defensively but there must be something more to it and just liking to go to museums instead of ''drink with the boys'' can't be it either. I'm not at all against adding him to the Flyers but he wouldn't be my first or second choice.

 

[renberg]

I wouldn't put Ellis and Savard in the same sentence. Ellis is a legit top pairing guy, Savard is not.

Your points about Hamilton are legit. Defenseman with his talent level rarely end up looking for their fourth team before they turn 30 years old without good reason. Obviously he isn't a stalwart defensively but there must be something more to it and just liking to go to museums instead of ''drink with the boys'' can't be it either. I'm not at all against adding him to the Flyers but he wouldn't be my first or second choice.

My deal with Savard is that I like what I’ve seen with him in the POs. There may be more to him than we’ve seen of him in the past with CBJ. He may not be a #1 but he may be a guy that you could pair with that would allow a partner to do more than he has done in the past (Sanheim?) Savard is definitely a top four guy.
Hamilton, to me, is what you say he is. Hard pass. Given the choice of Hamilton, Jones, Savard, Ellis, et al., I’d take Ellis if the return wasn’t over the top.

 

[TB87]

I went with Jones he can help you win Dougie can also be a game braker but had some defensive brain farts against tampa, Jones is the complete package IMHO.

BUT according to Kimmo Timonen the flyers already have some very good young defencemen who you could build a winning team around, the problem in his opinion is that they are not getting enough and the right type of coaching during games.

Kimmon understands how big a loss Niskanen was but he also thinks there needs to be some changes on the coaching of the defence.

I RAELY hope Kimmo one day will get tired of playing golf and having barbeques with Hartnell and that he wil become one of the coaches to help these young defencemen resch their potential.

He is the right man for the job.

Whar about signing UFA's oleksiak and savard and not trading any of provorov,sannheim or myers.

I don't think Jones is willing to sign long term in Philly he is going to do that in Dallas and Colorado will rent him for an all in season..

Where did Kimmo say this stuff?

 

[Easternbull]

In his weekly finnish hockey podcat "kimmantia". He attends most of the flyers home games and watches all their home games and rely seem sto care about the franchise.

I think his personality and experience would help Myers, Sannheim and Provy reach the next level. Kimmo is has great sense of humor and but not afraid to be hones when the calls for it.

One of his main beefs was that the flyers coaching staff did not seem engaged and did not give the young d -core enough direct feedback on plays during games etc. He thinks they have all the tools but just need the right type of coaching.

 

[Hockeypete49]

I do not really care for either player but I think Chuck makes a run at Jones.

 

[Rebels57]

In his weekly finnish hockey podcat "kimmantia". He attends most of the flyers home games and watches all their home games and rely seem sto care about the franchise.

I think his personality and experience would help Myers, Sannheim and Provy reach the next level. Kimmo is has great sense of humor and but not afraid to be hones when the calls for it.

One of his main beefs was that the flyers coaching staff did not seem engaged and did not give the young d -core enough direct feedback on plays during games etc. He thinks they have all the tools but just need the right type of coaching.

He couldnt be more right.

 

[Beef Invictus]

In his weekly finnish hockey podcat "kimmantia". He attends most of the flyers home games and watches all their home games and rely seem sto care about the franchise.

I think his personality and experience would help Myers, Sannheim and Provy reach the next level. Kimmo is has great sense of humor and but not afraid to be hones when the calls for it.

One of his main beefs was that the flyers coaching staff did not seem engaged and did not give the young d -core enough direct feedback on plays during games etc. He thinks they have all the tools but just need the right type of coaching.

A dentist is now backing up what we've been saying.

 

[TB87]

A dentist is now backing up what we've been saying.

As a rabid anti-dentite, I resent this post

 

[ajgoal]

I'd really like to see a full english transcript of that segment.

 

[Striiker]

I'd really like to see a full english transcript of that segment.

Imagine calling yourself a hockey fan and not being fluent in Finnish

 

[Garbage Goal]

Whoever is younger.

 

[ajgoal]

Imagine calling yourself a hockey fan and not being fluent in Finnish

It's on the list

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

They're going to miss out on both Hamilton and Jones and will end up signing Montour and Larsson. I can see it right now.......

 

[Rebels57]

They're going to miss out on both Hamilton and Jones and will end up signing Montour and Larsson. I can see it right now.......

You ain't lyin.

 

[Striiker]

“Missing out” on Jones is the best case scenario.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

“Missing out” on Jones is the best case scenario.

No problems here with that. I don't think a massive overhaul is required. Competent coaching and playing players in suitable roles is the only fix this team needs.

 

[The Madrigal]

No problems here with that. I don't think a massive overhaul is required. Competent coaching and playing players in suitable roles is the only fix this team needs.

So it was all Berube, Hakstol, Gordon, and AV's fault.

 

[Rebels57]

No problems here with that. I don't think a massive overhaul is required. Competent coaching and playing players in suitable roles is the only fix this team needs.

To be a contender? Unlikely.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

So it was all Berube, Hakstol, Gordon, and AV's fault.

Berube had nothing comparable to what Haktard or AV had. And Gordon was nothing more than a placeholder.

 

[BritainStix]

“Missing out” on Jones is the best case scenario.

I'm not so sure thats true. If we aquired him for a reasonable package and played him as a 2nd pairing defenseman and not anoint him the second coming of Christ, i think he would be highly succesful here. We can then look to find a balance of pairings instead of loading our top guys.

Provorov - Ghost
Sanheim - Jones
York - Myers
Morin - Zamula

Looks infinately better than last year.

Signing him to become the top pairing Provorov saviour however isn't going to work out for anyone.