News Article: Dougie Hamilton vs. Seth Jones

[Ghosts Beer]

Pfft, the WJC. Everyone knows that only points in a WHL season is an acceptable use of junior when debating defensemen.

 

[Starat327]

If Provy needs a top pairing partner we should send him to Buffalo to play with Risto.

I think the kids call this "This is the way."

 

[DancingPanther]

If you believe the reports, the Flyers want Jones...so thats all that matters.

Flyers could outbid other teams if the offered up Provorov or Sanheim...would also allow them to trade before the expansion draft.

Provorov-Jones
Ghost-Myers
York-Braun
Morin
Hagg

Cant say I really hate that. I like the idea of finding a good spot for ghost instead of forcing a trade with him. Myers would have to step up...unless they added another RD to play in the top 4.

Imagine imagining Hagg as the 8th dman and believing it in your heart of hearts

 

[Mayo Masseuse]

Hedman

 

[Beef Invictus]

If we are gonna be blowing apart some of the roster to acquire/fit cap we might as well go bigger than these two.

 

[TB87]

Flyers would have competition for Ristolainen if Buffalo will move him. Teams are well aware of how physically gifted he is. His hockey sense gets questioned but in terms of natural ability and physicality, everyone knows what he can do. Right-handed, good shot from point, physical style of play, used to playing a lot of minutes. There are some holes in his game and a tendency to make the same mistakes repeatedly but he does check other boxes. Ristolainen would be a high-risk (career-long inconsistency)/ high-reward potential acquisition.

JFC this is an incredible impression of Meltzer

 

[FlyguyOX]

Hamilton and it’s not close

 

[Chinatown88]

Wright
Lambert
Slafkovsky
Nemec

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

If we are gonna be blowing apart some of the roster to acquire/fit cap we might as well go bigger than these two.

You don't have to go to all that trouble just for me.

 

[1865]

If we are gonna be blowing apart some of the roster to acquire/fit cap we might as well go bigger than these two.

That's an interesting idea. For the cost we'd be looking at for either, is there anyone else who isn't a UFA who's available?

 

[TheKingPin]

Imagine if we did trade Provy for Eichel. Signed Hamilton. Moved Sanhiem to top pair and PP.

Synergistic gains there vs compounding loses in any scenario involving Jones

 

[Ghosts Beer]

What has Sanheim done in his NHL career to indicate he’s a first-pairing defenseman? What am I missing?

His assist totals the last two seasons have been mediocre for a 20+ minute defenseman whose game is supposed to be offense. Defensive zone play certainly isn’t his forte.

So what is it? A career CF% of 51?

 

[Beef Invictus]

What has Sanheim done in his NHL career to indicate he’s a first-pairing defenseman? What am I missing?

His assist totals the last two seasons have been mediocre for a 20+ minute defenseman whose game is supposed to be offense. Defensive zone play certainly isn’t his forte.

So what is it? A career CF% of 51?

"First pairing defenseman" isn't a high bar. We are talking about a bar Coburn and Carle could clear. Lots of dmen can play on a first pairing. What we lack is a true 1D of the caliber needed.

 

[The Madrigal]

What has Sanheim done in his NHL career to indicate he’s a first-pairing defenseman? What am I missing?

His assist totals the last two seasons have been mediocre for a 20+ minute defenseman whose game is supposed to be offense. Defensive zone play certainly isn’t his forte.

So what is it? A career CF% of 51?

Everything for Sanheim comes down to confidence. When he is playing with confidence and just out there skating he is a really good defenseman. When he loses his confidences and starts thinking too much he's pretty bad. Not exclusive to that he is always allergic to contact. Before someone jumps in with a strawman, I don't need every player to think it's still the 90's but when you have a habit of refusing to get people out of the crease it can be a problem.

The main reason that some people on this board think he's something he's not is that they choose to only focus the stretches where he is playing well and with confidence and think that's what he is in totality, and they ignore the fact that he goes through periods of time of terrible play. He is consistently inconsistent and while I have serious doubts as to whether or not he can be this top pairing PP defenseman that some want to believe he can be, perhaps he could just start by being a consistent second pairing guy. It's fascinating that some people just want to make him a top pairing guy and have him run a PP when last season he couldn't even be counted on to be a consistent second pairing guy and he has yet to show this offensive game I keep hearing about. All of that, and of course advanced stats.

The shame of it is I like the kid and want to see him do well, but I constantly find myself having to talk against him because the opinions that some have of him are so utterly ridiculous. I mean, we have people saying they wouldn't trade him straight up for Seth Jones and that Sanheim is better. Just think about that for a second.

If Sanheim is going to find any type of consistent game the Flyers should really look to pair with him a veteran defenseman who isn't afraid to do the dirty work and plays stellar defense. I said the other day that Adam Larsson would be a perfect partner for him and perhaps help him to unlock his potential on a more consistent basis. Unless/if that happens he isn't even a consistent high level second pairing guy, and the talk of him ever being a top pairing defenseman is a pipe dream.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

"First pairing defenseman" isn't a high bar. We are talking about a bar Coburn and Carle could clear. Lots of dmen can play on a first pairing. What we lack is a true 1D of the caliber needed.

It has been nine years, bro. Nine full years. NINE.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Everything for Sanheim comes down to confidence. When he is playing with confidence and just out there skating he is a really good defenseman. When he loses his confidences and starts thinking too much he's pretty bad. Not exclusive to that he is always allergic to contact. Before someone jumps in with a strawman, I don't need every player to think it's still the 90's but when you have a habit of refusing to get people out of the crease it can be a problem.

The main reason that some people on this board think he's something he's not is that they choose to only focus the stretches where he is playing well and with confidence and think that's what he is in totality, and they ignore the fact that he goes through periods of time of terrible play. He is consistently inconsistent and while I have serious doubts as to whether or not he can be this top pairing PP defenseman that some want to believe he can be, perhaps he could just start by being a consistent second pairing guy. It's fascinating that some people just want to make him a top pairing guy and have him run a PP when last season he couldn't even be counted on to be a consistent second pairing guy and he has yet to show this offensive game I keep hearing about. All of that, and of course advanced stats.

The shame of it is I like the kid and want to see him do well, but I constantly find myself having to talk against him because the opinions that some have of him are so utterly ridiculous. I mean, we have people saying they wouldn't trade him straight up for Seth Jones and that Sanheim is better. Just think about that for a second.

If Sanheim is going to find any type of consistent game the Flyers should really look to pair with him a veteran defenseman who isn't afraid to do the dirty work and plays stellar defense. I said the other day that Adam Larsson would be a perfect partner for him and perhaps help him to unlock his potential on a more consistent basis. Unless/if that happens he isn't even a consistent high level second pairing guy, and the talk of him ever being a top pairing defenseman is a pipe dream.

And that’s always been Sanheim’s M.O. He’s passive by nature & struggles with confidence.

It’s his personality, & it’s shown itself at every level of play, under various coaches. That’s why all of the excuse-making & coach-blaming doesn’t hold water. It’s just who he is as a player.

It took him a long time to realize how good he could be in junior.

He had a difficult time at first adjusting to the AHL.

Then he struggled to adjust to the NHL, & had to be sent back to the AHL (where he did at least finally dominate).

And now, entering his 5th NHL season, he still has consistency & confidence issues, & frankly hasn’t shown any improvement.

He’s not a bad player, & he flashes his talent occasionally, but he’s inconsistent, very non-assertive, & sure not as good as his reputation here would suggest.

 

[Starat327]

Saying Sanheim isnt as good as his reputation would suggest and then swallowing load after load of the Jones Juice is the level of irony im here for.

 

[TheKingPin]

What has Sanheim done in his NHL career to indicate he’s a first-pairing defenseman? What am I missing?

His assist totals the last two seasons have been mediocre for a 20+ minute defenseman whose game is supposed to be offense. Defensive zone play certainly isn’t his forte.

So what is it? A career CF% of 51?

Sanhiem is not elite but he definitely could be top pair with Hamilton. He is underrated and Provy overrated. We have a lot of good LD. So id prefer to move the overrated guy.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Sanhiem is not elite but he definitely could be top pair with Hamilton. He is underrated and Provy overrated. We have a lot of good LD. So id prefer to move the overrated guy.

Do you think Sanheim is a better defenseman than Provorov?

 

[wankstifier]

Do you think Sanheim is a better defenseman than Provorov?

Yeah, and probably cheaper, too.

 

[TCTC]

Sanhiem is not elite but he definitely could be top pair with Hamilton. He is underrated and Provy overrated. We have a lot of good LD. So id prefer to move the overrated guy.

On this board it's Sanheim who's overrated though.

 

[TheKingPin]

Do you think Sanheim is a better defenseman than Provorov?

I don’t think so. I don’t see them as being the same player skill wise, but value wise they are not too far off.

 

[TheKingPin]

On this board it's Sanheim who's overrated though.

Trade wise you would be better off selling Provy than sanhiem.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

The Circle Jerks have really made this thread their safe space.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Saying Sanheim isnt as good as his reputation would suggest and then swallowing load after load of the Jones Juice is the level of irony im here for.

His reputation is pretty underwhelming too.

In reality his on-ice results outperform his reputation.