Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations?

[LeafFever]

You treat them with respect and give then a good offer and they will sign. Dubas took longer with nylander than almost any other RFA in NHL history. And in the end he got bent over. But a good sign of his negotiating prowess.

So all GMs have failed is what you are saying? Because no RFA is signing.

 

[Jozay]

Maybe if Lou didnt fight these guys over their signing bonuses, they'd be more inclined to have an easy negotiation with the team now. No doubt about it, Lou set a negative tone with these guys and the Leafs will have to pay for it.

 

[Bomber0104]

Maybe if Lou didnt fight these guys over their signing bonuses, they'd be more inclined to have an easy negotiation with the team now. No doubt about it, Lou set a negative tone with these guys and the Leafs will have to pay for it.

Alternatively if you give them everything they want like spoiled children, they will come to expect that going forward from the organization.

I think that was the proper approach and so far, Dubas being a really nice guy hasn't helped him or the team with player negotiations.

Everyone here knows the saying about nice guys I take it.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I would say that this year and next year are the two most important years for the leafs organization since... I don't even know when. We either have our elite young core locked up long term under reasonable contracts, or things could really fall apart quickly.

Having a rookie unproven GM "learn as he goes" for these two intensely important seasons is mind-boggling.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Arvedsson, coming off of a 30 goal/60 point season, signed for 4.25 x 7.

The list of players with similar/better stats than nylander that got signed on MUCH better contracts gets bigger and bigger.

I don't think it was very smart to have a rookie gm at the helm while trying to get the big three signed. And the Nylander contract exposed that.

I will say, though, that if the Leafs had to overpay by 15% to one of the Big 3, I’m glad it was to Nylander and not to Matthews and Marner.

I hope Dubas has learned his lesson. If Dubas overpays Matthews and Marner by 15% as well, then God help this team.

 

[BayStreetBully]

I would say that this year and next year are the two most important years for the leafs organization since... I don't even know when. We either have our elite young core locked up long term under reasonable contracts, or things could really fall apart quickly.

Having a rookie unproven GM "learn as he goes" for these two intensely important seasons is mind-boggling.

I mentioned this a few years ago (in 2015?) that Dubas should not have been GM for at least 7 years. To give him time to learn the ropes, establish a reputation and establish connections.

When he became GM last year, I was hoping I’d be wrong.

I fear I may have been right after all.

 

[Morbo]

I will say, though, that if the Leafs had to overpay by 15% to one of the Big 3, I’m glad it was to Nylander and not to Matthews and Marner.

I hope Dubas has learned his lesson. If Dubas overpays Matthews and Marner by 15% as well, then God help this team.

where on earth are you pulling this number out of?

 

[Morbo]

I mentioned this a few years ago (in 2015?) that Dubas should not have been GM for at least 7 years. To give him time to learn the ropes, establish a reputation and establish connections.

When he became GM last year, I was hoping I’d be wrong.

I fear I may have been right after all.

Why do you fear?

on the basis of what?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

where on earth are you pulling this number out of?

Yeah, I'm not sure about that number either.

I'd say closer to 20-25 percent.

 

[BayStreetBully]

where on earth are you pulling this number out of?

$6 million would’ve been the right amount.

 

[Morbo]

Yeah, I'm not sure about that number either.

I'd say closer to 20-25 percent.

cool. I'll say closer to zero percent.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

$6 million would’ve been the right amount.

6x6? That would have been a reasonble contract, but still not a good one.

 

[Morbo]

$6 million would’ve been the right amount.

based on?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

cool. I'll say closer to zero percent.

As in 0% x 6.96 million?

Yeah, I'd be perfectly fine with that being offered to Nylander at this point as well.

 

[The Podium]

No you couldn't, stop lying.

Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize having the freedom to throw the most money at Machado was difficult.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

based on?

His comparables and the contracts they signed for.

 

[Gallagbi]

based on?

Ehlers and Larkin

 

[rumman]

Ehlers and Larkin

please stop mentioning Larkin in the same breathe as Nylander, Larkin deserves far more respect than this.

 

[Gallagbi]

please stop mentioning Larkin in the same breathe as Nylander, Larkin deserves far more respect than this.

He really didnt when he signed that deal

 

[rumman]

He really didnt when he signed that deal

I never thought Nylander was anywhere near the player Larkin is, larkin's game is complete, Nylander's not so much. "Elite zone entries aside..........

 

[Dreakmur]

6x6? That would have been a reasonble contract, but still not a good one.

That's where I was too. 6.5 for 8 years, or knock off 0.25 per year below 8.

6.5 x 8
6.25 x 7
6 x 6
5.75 x 5
5.5 x 4
5.25 x 3
5 x 2
4.75 x 1

 

[BayStreetBully]

Ehlers and Larkin

The problem is Ehlers doesn’t have anyone blowing smoke up his ass in Winnipeg, nor Larkin in Detroit. Nor Kucherov and Point in Tampa, nor Rantanen in Colorado.

Only Matthews, Marner and Nylander are told on a daily basis how godly they are, and they come to believe it themselves.

If you listen to the so-called “experts”, you would think Marner will get paid more than Kucherov’s 9.5 million when Marner has done nothing to play up to Kucherov’s level. Nor Matthews, for that matter.

Dubas needs to put a stake in the ground and say “NO MORE”. You get paid based on league comparables, NOT how great the media says you are.

 

[Gallagbi]

The problem is Ehlers doesn’t have anyone blowing smoke up his ass in Winnipeg, nor Larkin in Detroit. Nor Kucherov and Point in Tampa, nor Rantanen in Colorado.

Only Matthews, Marner and Nylander are told on a daily basis how godly they are, and they come to believe it themselves.

If you listen to the so-called “experts”, you would think Marner will get paid more than Kucherov’s 9.5 million when Marner has done nothing to play up to Kucherov’s level. Nor Matthews, for that matter.

Dubas needs to put a stake in the ground and say “NO MORE”. You get paid based on league comparables, NOT how great the media says you are.

...but they do and did.

 

[Gallagbi]

I never thought Nylander was anywhere near the player Larkin is, larkin's game is complete, Nylander's not so much. "Elite zone entries aside..........

Honestly I'm not a Larkin fan. He's having a good year, but I still consider him a secondary piece on a good team much like Nylander. While Larkin's speed gives him an advantage, I think Nylander has better vision and shot.

 

[rumman]

Honestly I'm not a Larkin fan. He's having a good year, but I still consider him a secondary piece on a good team much like Nylander. While Larkin's speed gives him an advantage, I think Nylander has better vision and shot.

ask yourself this: who does Larkin play with? Now imagine him on Mathews wing..........nuff said.