Dion Phaneuf - "There is a Trade Market for Him" (Dreger)

[ACC1224]

They didn't have to. The Toronto market made sure to destroy Phaneuf for them.

How often do you watch Weber play? How often do you see the details of his play dissected?

I think Phanuef is a step below Weber, who IMO is an Elite defender and is also paid like one.
Phanuef is a top pair guy and is paid as such.

 

[The Apologist]

I think Phanuef is a step below Weber, who IMO is an Elite defender and is also paid like one.
Phanuef is a top pair guy and is paid as such.

To each their own I guess. I think both are pretty damn incredible but one gets a whole lotta passes for things the other gets crucified for daily.

 

[Mess]

People on here comparing Dion to Weber it is this type of thought process that is the issue. That is exactly what Wilson and Burke presented when they anointed Dion as captain. He is not nor has he ever been a Elite D man....and that is the issue with Dion.

Don't you remember Team Canada's Olympic gold medal with Weber/Phaneuf as the top pairing anchoring the championship team?

 

[zeke]

regardless of whether he's better than phaneuf or not, Weber in toronto would not be anywhere near as well regarded as Weber in nashville is.

 

[ACC1224]

To each their own I guess. I think both are pretty damn incredible but one gets a whole lotta passes for things the other gets crucified for daily.

They are closer than people would like to admit. You see "Elite" guys make the same errors Phanuef is crucified for all the time.

regardless of whether he's better than phaneuf or not, Weber in toronto would not be anywhere near as well regarded as Weber in nashville is.

Without a doubt.

 

[Bullseye]

regardless of whether he's better than phaneuf or not, Weber in toronto would not be anywhere near as well regarded as Weber in nashville is.

Zeke sometimes I think you post just for the sake of posting - if Weber was in Toronto producing the numbers he's produced in Nashville - he would be the highest paid player in the league by far.

 

[diceman934]

Don't you remember Team Canada's Olympic gold medal with Weber/Phaneuf as the top pairing anchoring the championship team?

Yes and Dion was in charge of the music and wore the "C" if I recall the fairy tale correctly.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

regardless of whether he's better than phaneuf or not, Weber in toronto would not be anywhere near as well regarded as Weber in nashville is.

Now that I actually agree on.

 

[diceman934]

regardless of whether he's better than phaneuf or not, Weber in toronto would not be anywhere near as well regarded as Weber in nashville is.

I could not disagree more.

If Weber was a Leaf he would have won a Norris by now in my opinion.

He lead his team in scoring last year and he should have won the Norris, had he did this in Toronto he would have won the Norris.

 

[zeke]

Zeke sometimes I think you post just for the sake of posting - if Weber was in Toronto producing the numbers he's produced in Nashville - he would be the highest paid player in the league by far.

we've had many defensemen that have produced those numbers.

none of them were even considered dmen worth keeping, let alone Norris candidates.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

we've had many defensemen that have produced those numbers.

none of them were even considered dmen worth keeping, let alone Norris candidates.

Its almost as if there was a skill-set beyond those numbers thats worth paying attention to

 

[The Bad Seed*]

I could not disagree more.

If Weber was a Leaf he would have won a Norris by now in my opinion.

He lead his team in scoring last year and he should have won the Norris, had he did this in Toronto he would have won the Norris.

Because Nash is/was BURSTING with offensive talent. Please- If Webber was a leaf you would be in the front of the line with your stones and pitchfork saying Dion should of won the Norris because he lead Nash in points.

 

[The Apologist]

Zeke sometimes I think you post just for the sake of posting - if Weber was in Toronto producing the mistakes he's produced in Nashville - he would be the leagues most crucified player by far.

Fixed

 

[mikeo1]

Zeke sometimes I think you post just for the sake of posting - if Weber was in Toronto producing the numbers he's produced in Nashville - he would be the highest paid player in the league by far.

Am I the only one that can't tell apart the joke accounts any more?

Weber is the highest paid player in the league. By far. The next closest guy makes $15 million less.

 

[RLF]

Dion and Weber are about equal now? Sometimes I think fans go a little overboard defending their favourite players.

For instance...If Dion(not that his numbers are bad) put up the same as Franson numbers so far, it would be how great Dion is playing and he is worth every penny. But because it's Franson...we should trade him and he is only a PP specialist and not worth $5mil($2mil less than Dion). Even though Dion has 1 more PP point than Franson, but 3 less points overall in 2 more games played. I'm not saying Franson is better than Dion, because I think Dion is better. Can't have it both ways though...use stats and corsi and such to prove Dion is great and still say a guy like Franson isn't worth it.

Point being, it's blind love or hate and not objective. Dion is solid, but he is not elite or on even par with a guy like Weber. Weber is a 50pt guy almost every season, plays big minutes and typically a + player on a so-so team in the Western conference. An Olympic Champion (Dion did not make the team). Yes, Weber makes some of the same mistakes Dion makes, but it's what he does otherwise that makes him elite. These are things Dion does not/or cannot do which is why Weber is the better D. It's not about the mistakes, all D-men make them...it's how you contribute otherwise and how much they outweigh the mistakes.

I like Dion on the overall, but to compare him to Weber...c'mon guys

I'm sure to get persecuted for this.lol

 

[gabeliscious]

I think Phanuef is a step below Weber, who IMO is an Elite defender and is also paid like one.
Phanuef is a top pair guy and is paid as such.

phaneuf is 2 steps below weber which is a pretty steep drop off.


(the following is not a complete list)

elite defenseman = weber, chara, doughty

#1 defenseman = kieth, pietrangelo, subban, giordano, hedman, mcdonagh, suter

#2 defenseman = seabrook, PHANEUF, fowler, wiznieski, carlsson

i agree that phaneuf is a top pairing defenseman but the thing the makes him a #2 and not a #1 is his offensive numbers and his inability to play effectively at 26-28 mins a game.

at the rate the contracts are going #2 defenseman will be making $6.5-7.5 million so phaneufs contract will seem more reasonable assuming his level of play doesnt drop off.

 

[HellasLEAF]

This is our biggest problem as a fan base. The defencemen more so than the forwards.

We will dissect and pick their games apart. We create a stale and somewhat, hostile atmosphere at times at home and it creates nervous energy that doesn't help our dmen. I'm surprised Rielly, Gardiner (until this year) and Percy have done as well as they have.

I agree totally with the thought that we elevate other teams defenders because we never see them.

Phaneuf, without the C, and on another team is a top pairing D. whatever that means. He would be capable of logging quality minutes to clarify and would be considered an asset.

He's a bit overpaid but any other team would have coughed that up in free agency.

 

[Hunter74]

Current Leafs roster is just paying the price for all those good Sundin teams that for one reason or another couldn't bring the cup home. So now fan frustration is at a peak and they want this current roster to be so much more than it is and when it comes up short they get crucified for not being Weber or a complete forward like Zetterberg.

Phaneuf, Kessel just do not have Stanley cup caliber depth around them and so when they are off their game a little the team really suffers. Improved daph this past offseason does seem to be helping. Now we just need the boys to find a grove and stay in it.

I think what adds to fan frustration this roster shows glimpses of being a very good team.

 

[HockeyThoughts]

phaneuf is 2 steps below weber which is a pretty steep drop off.


(the following is not a complete list)

elite defenseman = weber, chara, doughty

#1 defenseman = kieth, pietrangelo, subban, giordano, hedman, mcdonagh, suter

#2 defenseman = seabrook, PHANEUF, fowler, wiznieski, carlsson

i agree that phaneuf is a top pairing defenseman but the thing the makes him a #2 and not a #1 is his offensive numbers and his inability to play effectively at 26-28 mins a game.

at the rate the contracts are going #2 defenseman will be making $6.5-7.5 million so phaneufs contract will seem more reasonable assuming his level of play doesnt drop off.

Chara on the elite list? Wiz in the same group as Phaneuf? And who is 'Carlsson'??? that could literally be at least two different players.

 

[Leafs87]

Weber is a whole different ball game.

In terms of forwards I would say phanuef is like parise and weber is like malkin

 

[Cor]

Chara on the elite list? Wiz in the same group as Phaneuf? And who is 'Carlsson'??? that could literally be at least two different players.

My fav is that Duncan Keith and PK Subban aren't elite.


Phaneuf is easily a #1 guy. Not top end, but still a guy that can lead a d-core

The best support we have around the guy is Cody Franson and Roman Polak. Think about that.

Jake Gardiner is pretty much garbage this season and doesn't really deserve to be playing right now.

Stephane Robidas has essentially been the same. Hasn't looked comfortable (and I am a big fan of Robi)

Morgan Rielly has flashes of brilliance, but he's only in his second year, and hasn't take that next step forward.

The best support for the guy, is two #4-5 d-men. Like come on. Phaneuf is the LEAST of our worries.


Listen, I understand people who want to look at moving him, simply because they believe we need to rebuild. Okay, fair game, We will get a very good return on this guy, and it may be worth looking at.

But the people who say the guy sucks and is a third pairing d-man, with a horrible contract, blah, blah, blah, BLAH.

That is what I shake my head at.

 

[Gary Nylund]

My fav is that Duncan Keith and PK Subban aren't elite.

Phaneuf is easily a #1 guy. Not top end, but still a guy that can lead a d-core

The best support we have around the guy is Cody Franson and Roman Polak. Think about that.

Jake Gardiner is pretty much garbage this season and doesn't really deserve to be playing right now.

Stephane Robidas has essentially been the same. Hasn't looked comfortable (and I am a big fan of Robi)

Morgan Rielly has flashes of brilliance, but he's only in his second year, and hasn't take that next step forward.

The best support for the guy, is two #4-5 d-men. Like come on. Phaneuf is the LEAST of our worries.

Listen, I understand people who want to look at moving him, simply because they believe we need to rebuild. Okay, fair game, We will get a very good return on this guy, and it may be worth looking at.

But the people who say the guy sucks and is a third pairing d-man, with a horrible contract, blah, blah, blah, BLAH.

That is what I shake my head at.

Well said. Pretty much bang on about everything IMO.

 

[Bad News Bears]

**** it. Trade him. I don't care anymore.

 

[TheProspector]

Phaneuf: 11P, +10
Suter: 11P, +12
Weber: 14P, +14

The talent gap is waaaaaay shorter than what most people seem to think around here.
"WHOA WHOA WHOA, let's not put Dion in the same sentence as Shea Weber". GMAFB. Weber's been greenlighted by Laviolette to attack and pinch with wild abandon, which probably explains all of the 3 extra points this season.

 

[thewave]

Phaneuf: 11P, +10
Suter: 11P, +12
Weber: 14P, +14

The talent gap is waaaaaay shorter than what most people seem to think around here.
"WHOA WHOA WHOA, let's not put Dion in the same sentence as Shea Weber". GMAFB. Weber's been greenlighted by Laviolette to attack and pinch with wild abandon, which probably explains all of the 3 extra points this season.

Dion is a good defender. Problem in Toronto now is anything we have is automatically bad or overrated.

Dion is a top 30 defender in the NHL. Kessel is a top 10 player like it or not. These are true statements even if our fans cite flaws and other teams fans do the same to devalue them in the media. Perhaps Dion is not the best leader for this group, this is could be true but he I still a top D.

Add: you certainly can compare Dion to Weber. Weber is just a bit better, enough to make our Olympic team whereas Dion is on the B Squad which is pretty good.