Devils 2020-21 team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

[Darkauron]

Yeah that trade is a no go at all.

 

[njdevils1982]

He’s the better player but you won’t win with "the better player" instead of the "better fit".

We need a mix of 3 things to make a line work IMO. We can’t have 3 finesse players on the same line. I always said that the perfect line includes a playmaker, a sniper and a "grinder". The best example is the top line in Boston.

We have our centers in Hischier and Hughes and Palmieri who’s the sniper. If we can add a Niederreiter or better yet, Anderson in Columbus, we can have a real solid mix, "similar" to what Boston has with Bergeron, Pasternak and Marchand.

as i've said before the perfect lineup is 2 fat, 1 medium, 1 skinny

 

[MadDevil]

Josh Anderson? The same Josh Anderson who had less goals than Mirco Mueller this year?

Anderson played 26 games and shot 1.6%. I think it's safe to say he just had a really bad stretch of games and is more like the player who scored 27 goals the previous season, and was on a 30 goal pace the one prior to that.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Hi guys,

I posted a trade on our board & would like to have your opinion considering we tend to favor our needs & kind of forget the ones of the trading partner.


Tomas Tatar
#39 or #40
Brett Kulak

• You guys need top 6 player - Tatar
• Have a need for LD - Kulak (showed he can be a #4-5, cheap & somewhat young)
• Have 3 1st rounder : Drop back 20 spots to fill 2 needs

20th
Miles Wood

• Get a 2nd 1st round pick
• Wood’s speed with work very well with our team

Would you guys be interested in such deal?

That’s not a bad trade at all value-wise I think. Tatar is a great player but a little older than we’d probably want considering we are likely going to be offering contracts to one of or both Palmieri and Gusev. Wouldn’t hate it, but his age and contract status would make me hesitate.

 

[MartyOwns]

Hi guys,

I posted a trade on our board & would like to have your opinion considering we tend to favor our needs & kind of forget the ones of the trading partner.


Tomas Tatar
#39 or #40
Brett Kulak

• You guys need top 6 player - Tatar
• Have a need for LD - Kulak (showed he can be a #4-5, cheap & somewhat young)
• Have 3 1st rounder : Drop back 20 spots to fill 2 needs

20th
Miles Wood

• Get a 2nd 1st round pick
• Wood’s speed with work very well with our team

Would you guys be interested in such deal?

mr. gambini, that is a lucid, well thought-out, intelligent trade proposal.

pass

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Hi guys,

I posted a trade on our board & would like to have your opinion considering we tend to favor our needs & kind of forget the ones of the trading partner.


Tomas Tatar
#39 or #40
Brett Kulak

• You guys need top 6 player - Tatar
• Have a need for LD - Kulak (showed he can be a #4-5, cheap & somewhat young)
• Have 3 1st rounder : Drop back 20 spots to fill 2 needs

20th
Miles Wood

• Get a 2nd 1st round pick
• Wood’s speed with work very well with our team

Would you guys be interested in such deal?

I'd much rather do a hockey trade like Wood for Armia, or just Wood for one of your excess 2nd round picks.

 

[Brodeur]

Josh Anderson? The same Josh Anderson who had less goals than Mirco Mueller this year?

I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Josh Anderson as a secondary target. He was coming off of seasons of 17, 19, and 27 goals before injuries derailed his 2019-20. He was getting those goals at even strength as well.

Although if I had to guess, Columbus would rather deal him to the West and Calgary/Minnesota would be logical landing spots. That is assuming Columbus wants to trade him; Anderson is entering a potential walk season and could opt for a 1 year deal in arbitration. Columbus has a bunch of forwards plus they're bringing Mikhail Grigorenko.

 

[StevenToddIves]

I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Josh Anderson as a secondary target. He was coming off of seasons of 17, 19, and 27 goals before injuries derailed his 2019-20. He was getting those goals at even strength as well.

Although if I had to guess, Columbus would rather deal him to the West and Calgary/Minnesota would be logical landing spots. That is assuming Columbus wants to trade him; Anderson is entering a potential walk season and could opt for a 1 year deal in arbitration. Columbus has a bunch of forwards plus they're bringing Mikhail Grigorenko.

I think most of us would agree that the truth of Josh Anderson lies somewhere between his 27-goal dream season of two years ago and his injury marred disaster of last year. I agree that the likelihood of Columbus trading him within the division is slim. Anderson is actually precisely what the Maple Leafs clearly need. If Dubas doesn't learn some variety with player types fast, Toronto will have another quick playoff exit in 2021 and Dubas will be looking for a job. Anderson for Andreas Johnsson would probably make sense for both teams, though I'd guess the Leafs would need to throw something else in to make the deal work for the Blue Jackets.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Hi guys,

I posted a trade on our board & would like to have your opinion considering we tend to favor our needs & kind of forget the ones of the trading partner.


Tomas Tatar
#39 or #40
Brett Kulak

• You guys need top 6 player - Tatar
• Have a need for LD - Kulak (showed he can be a #4-5, cheap & somewhat young)
• Have 3 1st rounder : Drop back 20 spots to fill 2 needs

20th
Miles Wood

• Get a 2nd 1st round pick
• Wood’s speed with work very well with our team

Would you guys be interested in such deal?

This would have to be a flat no.

Tatar would be the difference between the Devils missing the playoffs next year and the Devils missing the playoffs next year by a few more points. Kulak is okay, but I think as a Habs fan you would agree he does not move the needle, so to speak.

The Devils #1 organizational need is high-end young prospects to aid in the rebuild, especially a goal-scoring RW, a power forward at either wing, and at both defense positions. The #20 pick gives the Devils legit shots to fill these needs with names like Perreault, Gunler, Holloway, Amirov, Peterka, Guhle and Schneider. These names will all be gone by the #39 pick.

If the Canadiens wanted Wood, that would certainly be an attainable acquisition. I would say the #39 pick and the 3rd rounder Montreal acquired from Washington (likely around #80 overall) would be a fair deal for both sides.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Hi guys,

I posted a trade on our board & would like to have your opinion considering we tend to favor our needs & kind of forget the ones of the trading partner.


Tomas Tatar
#39 or #40
Brett Kulak

• You guys need top 6 player - Tatar
• Have a need for LD - Kulak (showed he can be a #4-5, cheap & somewhat young)
• Have 3 1st rounder : Drop back 20 spots to fill 2 needs

20th
Miles Wood

• Get a 2nd 1st round pick
• Wood’s speed with work very well with our team

Would you guys be interested in such deal?

This is a really fair proposal. Value is there for both sides. But, as others have mentioned, I just don't think it makes sense for the Devils timeline.

 

[My3Sons]

Wood and Butcher for the best LD with three years or more of team control that can be returned. I’d even suggest NJ take a two year cap dump and retain on Wood and Butcher if the upgrade was worth it.

 

[RSeen]

I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Josh Anderson as a secondary target. He was coming off of seasons of 17, 19, and 27 goals before injuries derailed his 2019-20. He was getting those goals at even strength as well.

Although if I had to guess, Columbus would rather deal him to the West and Calgary/Minnesota would be logical landing spots. That is assuming Columbus wants to trade him; Anderson is entering a potential walk season and could opt for a 1 year deal in arbitration. Columbus has a bunch of forwards plus they're bringing Mikhail Grigorenko.

Don't think they'd trade him to us but I'd be open to it. Could be a good bounce back candidate.

 

[Guttersniped]

I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Josh Anderson as a secondary target. He was coming off of seasons of 17, 19, and 27 goals before injuries derailed his 2019-20. He was getting those goals at even strength as well.

Although if I had to guess, Columbus would rather deal him to the West and Calgary/Minnesota would be logical landing spots. That is assuming Columbus wants to trade him; Anderson is entering a potential walk season and could opt for a 1 year deal in arbitration. Columbus has a bunch of forwards plus they're bringing Mikhail Grigorenko.

I remember the report that when the Oilers asked about Anderson before the TDL Columbus asked for their 1st + top defensive prospect or RNH. Considering Anderson’s injury that seemed more like a joke than a start to a negotiation and since Anderson had surgery in March I assume there wasn’t any actual trade discussions due to his injury.

Which leads to the question of why there was so much trade chatter at the deadline about Anderson who was out with a serious injury that ended up requiring major surgery. I’m guessing his agent, Darren Farris, was mostly responsible for “everybody’s asking about Anderson!” buzz then particularly since Columbus had no interest in moving him.

I’m guessing some of this is his agent again because Columbus GM has made it clear more recently that he still has no interest in trading Anderson unless it’s an good offer he can’t refuse and he’s dealt with him holding out before. Farris is Marner’s agent and he’s using all his usual ballyhoo press leaks trying to overcome Anderson’s disastrous contract year and bag him a bigger contract, maybe through a trade or offer sheet.

Anderson isn’t a buy low candidate though because Columbus has no interest in giving him away, so we likely can’t get him without at least giving up one of our later firsts and there’s the question of his contract. He’s a desirable player but there’s probably too much risk to pay what Columbus wants and who know what dollars and terms Farris is pushing. I’m not completely against it, we desperately need a player like him and the team might find a way to make it work just don’t plan on getting Anderson for scraps.

 

[Alex NJD]

Wonder what Max Domi will cost, unlikely fit for multiple reasons, but I'd love to have a guy who plays with that fire and doesn't have room temperature offensive IQ like Wood.

 

[Smitty426]

I was high on Hoffman because he’s a sniper but after thinking about it, I’d stay away from either or.

We need to get bigger in our top #6 or else we’ll look like the Habs

What about Virtanen in Van.? He's got the size thing, hes got some grit. Apparently he cant play defensively and he was demoted to 4th line and if I am correct sat two games?

 

[glenwo2]

Wonder what Max Domi will cost, unlikely fit for multiple reasons, but I'd love to have a guy who plays with that fire and doesn't have room temperature offensive IQ like Wood.

Don't care if he was offered to the Devils for FREE, I don't want him or his a-hole dad anywhere near this franchise.

 

[Bleedred]

Don't care if he was offered to the Devils for FREE, I don't want him or his a-hole dad anywhere near this franchise.

Can you imagine Tie in there coming out to all the games and him and Dano hugging each other every game like they have Max’s team comes to play?

 

[beekay414]

I don't care who we take on, just get f***ing better.

 

[glenwo2]

Can you imagine Tie in there coming out to all the games and him and Dano hugging each other every game like they have Max’s team comes to play?

 

[glenwo2]

I don't care who we take on, just get f***ing better.

Neither do I!



(just as long as it's not Max f'n Domi)

 

[beekay414]

Neither do I!



(just as long as it's not Max f'n Domi)

It could be Messier's kid and I wouldn't care. Talent is talent.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

It could be Messier's kid and I wouldn't care. Talent is talent.

Seriously!

We’re in no position to brush away talented players just because their daddy made a dumb play 2 decades ago. If anything, Max would bring something we’re lacking... balls.

Unfortunately, he wants to play down the middle and that’s why he was utilized as Montreal’s 4th line center until Muller shifted him to wing in his top #6.

 

[Pitaya]

As long as we upgrade the roster over next two months using cash and maybe a few assets, I dont care who it is honestly

Nobody in particular but some posters here seem to have a very strict idea of who we can obtain to improve - when in reality we arent in a position to be passing on upgrades for the kids to play with simply because the fit isnt perfect

 

[Smitty426]

I was high on Hoffman because he’s a sniper but after thinking about it, I’d stay away from either or.

We need to get bigger in our top #6 or else we’ll look like the Habs, without a top #3 goalie to hide all the weaknesses of a porous defence.

I don’t see how we can be competitive if we’re icing Bratt, Hischier, Palmieri, Hughes, Gusev and Dadonov/Hoffman in our top #6.

Instead of offering a big contract to one of the Panthers UFA’s, I’d look at Nino Niederreiter, who does play a physical game and has 2 more years left on his deal. A guy like him would be an ideal winger for Nico and/or Hughes.

What about Virtanen in Van.? He's got the size thing, hes got some grit. Apparently he cant play defensively and he was demoted to 4th line and if I am correct sat two games?

 

[AfroThunder396]

I don't see how Virtanen makes us tougher. Size for the sake of size doesn't change anything. You need guys who actually play tough. Virtanen's hits/60 are the same as Wood, Rooney, and Tennyson and those guys play like teddy bears. And he only had one fighting major this season.

I get that he's the mythical young power forward, former 1st round pick with potential. The ideal reclamation project who will blossom in a new environment. But he has fewer career points in more games than Zacha even though he's a year older, and despite this being a "breakout" season for Virtanen he only had 4 more points than Zacha did.

Virtanen strikes me as another Steve Bernier, on paper he looks like he should be a home run and he always shows you just enough to keep hope alive. I don't think he's anything more than a 3rd liner. If we can get him for a 3rd or a 4th then sure, but I'm not giving up quality assets for a guy like him.