Rumor: Detroit Interested in Petry

[Henkka]

Well you told all non Habs fans you have great big homer glasses!



This chart doesn't show his contract, nor the fact he will be 35 in December. Not that hard to see the negativity to it. People hated the Leddy trade, and he only had one year left of being overpaid. Nevermind having 3 more seasons to go.

If Petry would be UFA this summer, evolving-hockey projects 4 year deal worth 6.07M for him.

It's not really anyhow away from his current caphit.

Current situation is one year less.

 

[Oddbob]

If Petry would be UFA this summer, evolving-hockey projects 4 year deal worth 6M for him.

It's not really anyhow away from his current caphit.

I don't care what some site projects.

No team would be signing a soon to be 35 year old defender to a 4 year deal at that cap hit. Maybe Holland or Benning but that is it.

 

[NickH8]

How bad Hronek is, is so overrated in Wings land. He will be a fine 3-5 guy for his whole career on a non train wreck team. He competes hard, is willing to stand up for teammates, his defence is nowhere near as bad as everyone suggests, and he skates well and can play the offensive game. Even Leddy looked good in St. Louis and we all hated him here. I wouldn't trade Hronek for anything less than a comparable level player or late1st, or 2nd rounder plus solid prospect/player.

Sometimes it is like others don't watch any other games than Wings games. If you watch other teams defenders there are lots of ones that make plays you hate and Hronek is better than plenty of them.

People here are way too hard on defensemen in general. If you make a single mistake you're "braindead". Fact of the matter is Hronek is our 2nd best defenseman and only defenseman outside of Seider that has any business in a top 4, and he's still 24. The way people have given up on him is ridiculous. I agree that he's best as a 4/5 PP specialist but to say he shouldn't be in the league or wanting to trade him for nothing is silly.

 

[YpsiWings]

Did I say he was one of the best Top 4 guys out there or something? I said he wasn't as bad as lots of other teams top 4-5 guys. You bringing up the top 2 teams in the league isn't a fair argument. I mentioned other teams, because there are lots of bad ones out there league wide, and Hronek is much better than given credit for in comparison.

Fair enough, although my point stands that if you want to be a competitive team with Hronek on the 2nd pair you better have a stud next to him.

 

[Puck5]

This whole thread is Yikes level bad. Time to press the magic button that makes it go away.

 

[ricky0034]

Why wasn't Yzerman fired at Tampa when he did exact same thing?

Hedman has been 3M underpaid since that move, and that's one of those multiple bargains Yzerman did and that's why they did win their Cups.

Seider had 21 powerplay points in 237 minutes this year as a rookie

Hedman had 10 powerplay points in 374 minutes his first 4 seasons combined and even his next 3 seasons combined after that had 36 in 538

it's not even remotely comparable, Seider was tied for 10th among all defensemen in the league in powerplay points this year, Hedman barely broke the top 100 his first four seasons and even his next three seasons after that when he improved and started getting two and a half minutes a game instead of one and a half he still finished tied for 32nd,44th,43rd respectively

 

[Oddbob]

Fair enough, although my point stands that if you want to be a competitive team with Hronek on the 2nd pair you better have a stud next to him.

I think with a strong defensive minded guy he will be solid, especially if more than 2 or 3 other guys also play defence and we don't get 1984 goaltending.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Fair enough, although my point stands that if you want to be a competitive team with Hronek on the 2nd pair you better have a stud next to him.

Petry isn't going to be around when we're a competitive team anyway.

 

[Henkka]

Fair enough, although my point stands that if you want to be a competitive team with Hronek on the 2nd pair you better have a stud next to him.

Yeah, someone at Hedman's level maybe.

 

[DTR]

Let’s be honest, if we do have interest in Petry it says a lot about Hronek’s standing within the organization. You’re not bringing Petry in with that contract to be your third RD.

 

[StreetHawk]

If true that means that Filip Hronek is definitely 100% out the door, Pretty sure Petry would love to come home to Detroit in the waning years of his career. If Yzerman gets him he had better not pay a high premium for him.

Would also make some sense for Detroit to do it because it would give Evindsson a solid D partner during his ELC years.

 

[Ricelund]

I'm actually in favor of trading for Petry but for those of you who are scared about it, you have to remember Petry has been linked to Detroit for years now. I'm assuming this is because he's from Michigan. It could just be reporters throwing shit at the wall.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Let’s be honest, if we do have interest in Petry it says a lot about Hronek’s standing within the organization. You’re not bringing Petry in with that contract to be your third RD.

It would also say a lot about the current standing of the Detroit Red Wings organization.

Even the literal worst team in the league is able to dump dead weight contracts on Detroit. Salary cap floor scraping losers.
This would be a new rock bottom… Arizona with a nicer arena.

But it’s a Montreal based rumor. So hopefully this isn’t the direction.

 

[FMichael]

What really concerns me (actually I find it bothersome) is that we as a fan base need to channel the hate that is being generated from Hronek and redirect it towards Zadina where it’s rightfully deserved.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

What really concerns me (actually I find it bothersome) is that we as a fan base need to channel the hate that is being generated from Hronek and redirect it towards Zadina where it’s rightfully deserved.

Ha. I think Zadina gets plenty of hate but know what you're saying about Hronek. The opinion on him has completely shifted over just a couple seasons.

I think early on people were overrating him because he was such a surprise and also to compensate for the Wings striking out on yet another defenseman with Cholowski.

His minutes came down last season, which is good, but the whole team played like such dogshit the second half of the season it's hard to know what to make of Hronek. If the minutes stay down and team manages to stop puckwatching under the new coach, he might yet be a functional 2nd pairing guy.

 

[better Red than Dead]

I don’t believe this rumor, I think this is just Yzerman doing his due diligence in a good defenseman who’s a local kid.

 

[newfy]

People here are way too hard on defensemen in general. If you make a single mistake you're "braindead". Fact of the matter is Hronek is our 2nd best defenseman and only defenseman outside of Seider that has any business in a top 4, and he's still 24. The way people have given up on him is ridiculous. I agree that he's best as a 4/5 PP specialist but to say he shouldn't be in the league or wanting to trade him for nothing is silly.

Hronek is a solid top 4 dman. The people on this board that constantly shit on him really show their hockey knowledge, hes only 24. There was a time not that long ago that the exact same posters were saying how Brendan Smith was going to be a number 1 dman still when he was 23 in the AHL.

Hronek isnt a great defensive dman obviously. But 2 seasons ago he played mostly with Dekeyser,and this past season he was playing with Leddy half the season. At 24 he has plenty of time to develop, and he can be put with a stronger defensive partner when the wings have the depth. Hes got 250 games in the NHL at a 40 point pace by the age of 24 on horrible teams and people are just throwing in the towel.

People somehow cant see the potential of Hronek at 28 years old with a strong defensive partner and realise how that could be good for the team

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

It would also say a lot about the current standing of the Detroit Red Wings organization.

Even the literal worst team in the league is able to dump dead weight contracts on Detroit. Salary cap floor scraping losers.
This would be a new rock bottom… Arizona with a nicer arena.

But it’s a Montreal based rumor. So hopefully this isn’t the direction.

I don't really see how it's rock bottom. I'd rather be the team near the bottom of the league that has a ton of cap space they can leverage for assets than being the absolute dead last team in the league that's at the cap.

I can't imagine the Wings would take on Petry and his full cap hit AND send an asset like Hronek to Montreal for the privilege. But if the Wings can get an asset out of it, it might be worth it.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

What really concerns me (actually I find it bothersome) is that we as a fan base need to channel the hate that is being generated from Hronek and redirect it towards Zadina where it’s rightfully deserved.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I don’t believe this rumor, I think this is just Yzerman doing his due diligence in a good defenseman who’s a local kid.

If LeBrun reports it, then it's pretty credible.

 

[jaster]

I wouldn't take any of this personally. We're not the right trade partner and I seriously question the legitimacy of that rumor. Petry doesn't check the box or move the needle for us in any meaningful way other than some on here see it as a way to dump Hronek. None of this ever really made or makes sense from a Detroit Standpoint. It literally only makes sense for us if we get assets in return for him.

"but he's good" - sure. He's also 34, and with or without Jeff Petry - we are going to be mediocre. So us adding him at this point doesn't make us suddenly a contender. Could we take him? Absolutely. Does it get us to the playoffs? Absolutely Not.

We are interested in pieces that are going to be meaningful for us to add to our core which will be competitive like in 3 years. In 3 years, Jeff Petry is not an integral part to any team. It's nothing against Petry. He's a fine hockey player and I'm sure a valuable asset but this all feels pretty forced. There are better options than us.

Petry is a guy you offer to provide some veteran leadership to a young D core looking to add that Top 4 PMD to give them the push over the top to be serious contenders - EDM, COL, CAR, etc. (if any of them had the space). He is not a guy you trade to the 8th worst team in hockey whose best players are a 19 and 20 year old rookies and just got our from under the albatross contracts of Dekeyser. This team is building for 2025. Jeff Petry is just not part of that equation.

This.

Swapping Petry in and Hronek out is rather short-sighted, unless we're getting a valuable asset back (and that's not Petry). Looks like a bad case of "the grass is always greener."

In a vacuum, I like Petry the player well enough. But not with that contract, especially given where the Wings currently are as an organization.

 

[jaster]

If Petry would be UFA this summer, evolving-hockey projects 4 year deal worth 6.07M for him.

LOL.

I used to have more faith in Evolving Hockey.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

LOL.

I used to have more faith in Evolving Hockey.

My dude, Petry played much better after the coaching change. Maybe 6 mil is too expensive but 5-5.5? That's not terrible. And Detroit isn't going to be hurting from overpaying Petry a little bit. worst case scenario is Petry sucks on defense as the 2nd pair RD and Detroit bleeds goals and finishes 7th-10th worst in the league. Detroit will probably finish that low with Hronek there anyway. Why not take the gamble?

Get Petry on the cheap. Trade Hronek for an asset. Then use asset to build a better future by maybe drafting a solid RD prospect in the late 1st or early 2nd?

 

[jaster]

My dude, Petry played much better after the coaching change. Maybe 6 mil is too expensive but 5-5.5? That's not terrible. And Detroit isn't going to be hurting from overpaying Petry a little bit. worst case scenario is Petry sucks on defense as the 2nd pair RD and Detroit bleeds goals and finishes 7th-10th worst in the league. Detroit will probably finish that low with Hronek there anyway. Why not take the gamble?

Get Petry on the cheap. Trade Hronek for an asset. Then use asset to build a better future by maybe drafting a solid RD prospect in the late 1st or early 2nd?

He's about to be 35. If he were a UFA right now, EH suggests he should be making 6+ through his age 38 season? He's nothing more than a 2nd-pair defenseman now, 4 years from now he'll be lucky to be hanging on to an NHL job, never mind being worth anything close to 6M. That contract suggestion is insane.

There were only 4 defensemen in the league last season who were 38+ yo. Giordano (800K), Keith (5.5M, lol), Greene (850K), and Chara (1.8M).

Regardless, his current term is too long for Detroit. We shouldn't be massively overpaying a boat anchor in 2024-25 when we could be pushing for a playoff spot and finally spending on good players.

I'm fine with dealing Hronek for the right value that makes sense for the future. Acquiring Petry makes no sense though. There's no upside there.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He's about to be 35. If he were a UFA right now, EH suggests he should be making 6+ through his age 38 season? He's nothing more than a 2nd-pair defenseman now, 4 years from now he'll be lucky to be hanging on to an NHL job, never mind being worth anything close to 6M. That contract suggestion is insane.

There were only 4 defensemen in the league last season who were 38+ yo. Giordano (800K), Keith (5.5M, lol), Greene (850K), and Chara (1.8M).

Regardless, his current term is too long for Detroit. We shouldn't be massively overpaying a boat anchor in 2024-25 when we could be pushing for a playoff spot and finally spending on good players.

I'm fine with dealing Hronek for the right value that makes sense for the future. Acquiring Petry makes no sense though. There's no upside there.

I understand the concern. I'm not in love with the cost but last season really was a tale of 2 seasons for Montreal. Like I said earlier in this thread, you're looking at a team that finishes around where Anaheim did if they didn't have Ducharme to start the year. Still not great, but definitely better than dead last.

Petry looked like Jeff Petry from 2 seasons ago after the coaching change. It's a definite gamble to bring him in and expect him to be productive for even 2 of those 3 seasons but I think it's worth the risk.

Also consider this - the asset returned for Hronek, if it's we get a late 1st and use it on a defenseman could maybe be ready to play in 3 years time. By that time graybeard Petry is either gone or playing 3rd pair for peanuts and we all win!

Worst case scenario Detroit LTIRetires Petry and they gun for one of the 2023 or 2024 UFA RD like Matt Dumba, Ryan Graves, Damon Severson, Mackenzie Weegar, Erik Cernak, Brett Pesce, or swing a trade.