Player Discussion David Krejci VI

[ON3M4N]

Not sure why Pastrnak can’t play with keel Krejci?

Is it against the law ?

No change lineup duos

Marchand-Bergeron
Pastrnak- Krejci
DeBrusk-Coyle

I think many of us have been wondering that same thing for a few years now. As great as the top line is with 63/37/88 it hurts the depth of our team. Krejci and Pasta have shown they can play together and I believe they were linemates when they played together on the international stage.

Marchand - Bergeron - Studnicka
DeBrusk - Krejci - Pastrnak
Bjork - Coyle - Kase

I honestly wouldn't mind if they went out to get a #2LW like a Hall and had a 3rd line of DeBrusk - Coyle - Kase.

 

[Memokerobi]

I love Krejci. I hope they go and get a winger for him with Krug’s $

 

[BruinsPortugal]

Not sure why Pastrnak can’t play with keel Krejci?

Is it against the law ?

No change lineup duos

Marchand-Bergeron
Pastrnak- Krejci
DeBrusk-Coyle

Same reason Debrusk is attached to Krejci's hip. Who the hell knows?

 

[Kalus]

Studnicka and Bjork were bright spots last night. I think if there was one coaching blunder it was using Ritchie through the first four games of the TB series. After playing so well against Carolina, the lineup should have remained largely the same. This team looked a lot different without one line being noticeably slower than the others, to say nothing of the dumb penalties.

I wonder if there was pressure (either overt or implied) from Sweeney and/or Neely to play Ritchie.

 

[DKH]

Same reason Debrusk is attached to Krejci's hip. Who the hell knows?

I like Jake. I expect more.

however if I can put a package together and send the former Calgary Hitman star to the Flames for Johnny Hockey I’m doing it

you lose 4 years age but I’d explore

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Get DeBrusk and Krech away from each other next year, they play different games. Krech needs a guy with a one timer and a physical guy to do the dirty work and let him find guys with time and space.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

their best player these playoffs, and 1 of 3 forwards that dont have to hang their head (others being Pasta and Marchand)

 

[DKH]

The Bruins have 2 of the best wingers in the league, world.

Krejci is their most creative offensive center.

They can’t give him one these f***ers ?

Instead they put both wingers on the same line like the British marching down the middle of the street allowing Tampa to strategize personnel, style

Hmmm... how they do 5X5

and you get the Krejci blah blah blah on Twitter

 

[BBB24]

I like Jake. I expect more.

however if I can put a package together and send the former Calgary Hitman star to the Flames for Johnny Hockey I’m doing it

you lose 4 years age but I’d explore

Who is the former Calgary Hitman?

 

[BAD BOY]

I don’t wanna trade Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, McAvoy, Coyle, Kuraly (need him 4th L) anybody else I listen . Looking for adding not subtracting ... I listen on Carlo and DeBrusk I said I listen ... if they go all in Rask stays if he retires still go all in. If they rebuild see what you can get.. it’s business that’s all

 

[bp13]

I like Jake. I expect more.

however if I can put a package together and send the former Calgary Hitman star to the Flames for Johnny Hockey I’m doing it

you lose 4 years age but I’d explore

Good Lord yes.

I think swapping DeBrusk for a pro who shows up most nights is a wise move. I'll give a nod to his production, it's undeniable. But he's very unreliable. If you can get a more reliable performer I'm all for it. And f course, Johnny Hockey is a stud. That's a no-brainer, but I doubt we have the assets to get it done.

 

[DKH]

Who is the former Calgary Hitman?

Meant Red.Deer Rebel (someplace up there in Western Canada)

If this was high school and my kid was David Krejci and there were 2 Division I wingers and both were on the same line with the coach’s daughter boyfriend~ while my kid got a couple of ‘stoners’ I’m pulling him out and sending to Prep School

 

[DKH]

Good Lord yes.

I think swapping DeBrusk for a pro who shows up most nights is a wise move. I'll give a nod to his production, it's undeniable. But he's very unreliable. If you can get a more reliable performer I'm all for it. And f course, Johnny Hockey is a stud. That's a no-brainer, but I doubt we have the assets to get it done.

DeBrusk & Vaakanainen

 

[JerseyBruin]

Get DeBrusk and Krech away from each other next year, they play different games. Krech needs a guy with a one timer and a physical guy to do the dirty work and let him find guys with time and space.

This exactly , the Bruins have to decide do they want to go with speedy wingers or do they want bigger more grinding types on the 2nd line. IMO putting Krejci between Jake and Studnicka just negates the speed the wingers bring . Which in reality is why I believe it wouldn't be a terrible idea to trade Krejci while they still might be able to get something for him.

 

[DKH]

Get DeBrusk and Krech away from each other next year, they play different games. Krech needs a guy with a one timer and a physical guy to do the dirty work and let him find guys with time and space.

Yes exactly

If they would actually put
Pastrnak & Krejci
Bergeron & Marchand
DeBrusk & Coyle
I’m all in

but I don’t trust Cassidy

he puts all his eggs in one basket making it easy to plan

and DeBrusk with Krejci who don’t play well together

waste

 

[bp13]

DeBrusk & Vaakanainen

Where do I sign?

 

[bp13]

This exactly , the Bruins have to decide do they want to go with speedy wingers or do they want bigger more grinding types on the 2nd line. IMO putting Krejci between Jake and Studnicka just negates the speed the wingers bring . Which in reality is why I believe it wouldn't be a terrible idea to trade Krejci while they still might be able to get something for him.

Except he was the 2nd best forward in the playoffs. Can we really afford to get rid of him?

 

[Trap Jesus]

Yes exactly

If they would actually put
Pastrnak & Krejci
Bergeron & Marchand
DeBrusk & Coyle
I’m all in

but I don’t trust Cassidy

he puts all his eggs in one basket making it easy to plan

and DeBrusk with Krejci who don’t play well together

waste

I don't think Krejci and Pastrnak is as good of a fit as people think it is. A lot of their utilization together is in situations where Cassidy double shifts Pasta when they're trailing looking for offense, or puts them together after a PK. They were originally linemates, but it shifted to putting Pastrnak on the top line. Cassidy has put them together at times after that, but it always goes back to putting him back up with Bergeron and Pastrnak.

Pastrnak has a game that offensively will work with anyone. He has patented plays when you put him on the 4th line. Problem is that you need to off-set his wild card style of play with more of a steadying presence and I think Krejci can only do so much for that. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to have an effective unit when you take the leash off of the talented players. Giveaways can be kind of a BS stat, but as a rough reflection, among forwards that have played at least 200 games last 3 seasons, Pastrnak has the 3rd most giveaways/60 and Marchand is 8th. And they're on the same line.

NHL.com Stats

That's just flat out rare, and it involves a ton of baby sitting. Obviously the players that have the puck the most will turn it over the most, this adds up for Barzal:

But when you're splitting puck-carrying duties like Marchand and Pasta do, that is A LOT of failed attempts and risky plays. And that's what makes it difficult to play with them to have them still be as effective as an overall unit, and not just a point producing machine.

In the games where Pastrnak/Krejci play 10+ minutes together at 5v5 and are a legitimate unit (24 total in the last 3 seasons/playoffs), their numbers are:

TOI	CF/60	CA/60	FF/60	FA/60	SF/60	SA/60	GF/60	GA/60	ZSO/60	ZSD/60
320:20	56.85	52.67	41.78	37.96	28.52	29.06	3.09	2.36	26.88	13.26

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Not bad but still a lot of clear trade-off. I just think you start to lose a lot of effectiveness with Pastrnak when you're trading zone times and chances more. Game 5 vs. Tampa was a good example. If you watch Marchand-Bergeron-Kuhlman/Kase then watch DeBrusk-Krejci-Pastrnak, it was night and day.

 

[JerseyBruin]

Except he was the 2nd best forward in the playoffs. Can we really afford to get rid of him?

Yes, don't be fooled by numbers. 2nd line centers in the playoffs should be expected to be at the top of the point list for obvious reasons especially if they are seeing PP1 time.
The whole dynamic of the 2nd line is flawed , they can't decide if they want speed or to play with big bodied wingers.
I contend make Coyle the 2nd line center and bring in another winger like Hall or Gaudreau with the $$ saved from Krejci. Krejci is a conundrum - he doesn't play with grit but he's not a speedy flashy player. How many times do you we see odd man rushes evaporate as Krejci peels back to slow everything down. Again I love the player but w/o wingers like Looch or Horton he's not a fit anymore.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yes, don't be fooled by numbers. 2nd line centers in the playoffs should be expected to be at the top of the point list for obvious reasons especially if they are seeing PP1 time.
The whole dynamic of the 2nd line is flawed , they can't decide if they want speed or to play with big bodied wingers.
I contend make Coyle the 2nd line center and bring in another winger like Hall or Gaudreau with the $$ saved from Krejci. Krejci is a conundrum - he doesn't play with grit but he's not a speedy flashy player. How many times do you we see odd man rushes evaporate as Krejci peels back to slow everything down. Again I love the player but w/o wingers like Looch or Horton he's not a fit anymore.

Krejci doesn’t play with grit? Do you watch the games?

Also, what does “don’t be fooled by numbers” mean? You don’t value players that produce in the postseason or any JAG could produce playing with Debrusk and Kase?

 

[remer]

Yes, don't be fooled by numbers. 2nd line centers in the playoffs should be expected to be at the top of the point list for obvious reasons especially if they are seeing PP1 time.
The whole dynamic of the 2nd line is flawed , they can't decide if they want speed or to play with big bodied wingers.
I contend make Coyle the 2nd line center and bring in another winger like Hall or Gaudreau with the $$ saved from Krejci. Krejci is a conundrum - he doesn't play with grit but he's not a speedy flashy player. How many times do you we see odd man rushes evaporate as Krejci peels back to slow everything down. Again I love the player but w/o wingers like Looch or Horton he's not a fit anymore.

I would agree. Krejci is a great player, but he is different. How long have the Bruins struggled to find wingers that he can work with. At some point you have to wonder why this is been such a problem. Yes I hear that he has had less talent to work with, but what about making the players better that are around you. Krejci is a playmaker. Slows plays down in the offensive zone. The NHL is getting faster. The goalies are quicker. Speed, quick releases and shots are what scores goals.
Perhaps Krejci’s time and his 7 million salary could be shipped to a different organization and they can figure out if they can make it work. It’s time to move on from the 35 year old Center. The Bruins need to get younger and while Krejci still has some value.

 

[JerseyBruin]

Krejci doesn’t play with grit? Do you watch the games?

Also, what does “don’t be fooled by numbers” mean? You don’t value players that produce in the postseason or any JAG could produce playing with Debrusk and Kase?

I'm not sure how you define grit. Krejci doesn't play large and he doesn't play fast , his effectiveness is most often rooted in his hockey IQ and his ability to slow the game down. That works well against certain teams but not against a team that fore checks the way TB does. In addition while touted as a good defensive player his lack of speed was very evident in the TB series especially whenever Cooper was able to get the top line out there against them.

And I'll reiterate don't be fooled by numbers . What do you think Krejci's numbers would have looked like playing between Pasta and Marchy on the top line being hounded by the opponents top checking line and top defensive pairing. His numbers perked up against Carolina because their 2nd line matchups weren't as effective and they don't have the depth TB does. Krejci all but vanished in the TB series with the exception of the PP. Again the playoffs are a different animal and a 2nd line has to usually be effective to make a difference as top lines are locked down .

 

[KrejciMVP]

Krejci's game still looks very productive at 34. Bruins should get him a wingers that can score all those goals Debrusk and Kase miss on.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I'm not sure how you define grit. Krejci doesn't play large and he doesn't play fast , his effectiveness is most often rooted in his hockey IQ and his ability to slow the game down. That works well against certain teams but not against a team that fore checks the way TB does. In addition while touted as a good defensive player his lack of speed was very evident in the TB series especially whenever Cooper was able to get the top line out there against them.

And I'll reiterate don't be fooled by numbers . What do you think Krejci's numbers would have looked like playing between Pasta and Marchy on the top line being hounded by the opponents top checking line and top defensive pairing. His numbers perked up against Carolina because their 2nd line matchups weren't as effective and they don't have the depth TB does. Krejci all but vanished in the TB series with the exception of the PP. Again the playoffs are a different animal and a 2nd line has to usually be effective to make a difference as top lines are locked down .

Everyone vanished in the TB series, that wasn’t unique to the second line.

I define grit as taking a hit to move the puck, going to the dirty areas, not getting intimidated by an opponent. You don’t need to play like Lucic to have grit.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I would agree. Krejci is a great player, but he is different. How long have the Bruins struggled to find wingers that he can work with. At some point you have to wonder why this is been such a problem. Yes I hear that he has had less talent to work with, but what about making the players better that are around you. Krejci is a playmaker. Slows plays down in the offensive zone. The NHL is getting faster. The goalies are quicker. Speed, quick releases and shots are what scores goals.
Perhaps Krejci’s time and his 7 million salary could be shipped to a different organization and they can figure out if they can make it work. It’s time to move on from the 35 year old Center. The Bruins need to get younger and while Krejci still has some value.

they've only struggled because they've been giving him 3rd/4th liners and hoping for miracles.

Give him anyone with a shred of talent and he thrives with them.

He made Lucic a 30 goal scorer.
He made Horton into a playoff goal god
Washed up Iginla scored 30 with him

I love Bergeron, but its not a coincidence his great 8 year run has been the same 8 years that Marchand has been glued to his hip. Talent and consistent linemates matter