Confirmed with Link: Dave Tippett signs 5-year contract extension

[kihekah19*]

He's not even a good coach. He's a worse talent evaluator

That opinion aside, I think we should consider that there just may not have been another coach willing to sign here. DT was able to play hard ball and our foolish group overpaid him.

Again, time will tell how this pans out, but being paid more than Sutter doesn't cast their decision in a very good light.

As for your opinion? He really hasn't had the kind of talent to work with that Sutter has and apparently didn't have much influence on the talent that he did have to work with. Time will tell regarding this, as is the recurring theme.

 

[kihekah19*]

I don't know. For me, most of the years I had season tickets were worth the money because I got to spend time with my kids at the games. I wouldn't trade that away for anything. So for me it was a good investment.

Excellent point TFP. I was thinking financially, but having attended nearly every game for twelve years with my son (six of those when he was battling cancer), I've got to admit that I absolutely and positively cherish each and everyone of those games. In fact there is rarely a day that goes by that I don't think about being at a game with him and wish that it could still be.

Excellent point indeed.... life's not all about money.

 

[kihekah19*]

Either Dan Bickey is really stupid or the Arizona Republic is getting paid to be the mouthpiece for the Coyotes or both. Whatever the case is, I'm really sick and tired of clowns at the Arizona Republic today really making all Coyotes fans and all hockey fans look bad with their garbage.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ng-would-solve-arizona-coyotes-woes/84303628/

Oh he's a poetic princess alright, but I thought this one of his better pieces.

 

[Etch]

That opinion aside, I think we should consider that there just may not have been another coach willing to sign here. DT was able to play hard ball and our foolish group overpaid him.

Again, time will tell how this pans out, but being paid more than Sutter doesn't cast their decision in a very good light.

As for your opinion? He really hasn't had the kind of talent to work with that Sutter has and apparently didn't have much influence on the talent that he did have to work with. Time will tell regarding this, as is the recurring theme.

I still think that ownership just blindly offered up Tips contract without knowing any better and Tip was ecstatic to take it. He sure as hell wouldn't have gotten even half that elsewhere.

Before all the "that's speculation/you have no inside info" posts come, I acknowledge both those points, however I'd prefer a blind rabbit coach the team next year than Dave Tippet. I'm sure we could have found one of them willing to sign for a few carrots, save the team millions and get a better product.

 

[kihekah19*]

I still think that ownership just blindly offered up Tips contract without knowing any better and Tip was ecstatic to take it. He sure as hell wouldn't have gotten even half that elsewhere.

Before all the "that's speculation/you have no inside info" posts come, I acknowledge both those points, however I'd prefer a blind rabbit coach the team next year than Dave Tippet. I'm sure we could have found one of them willing to sign for a few carrots, save the team millions and get a better product.

Seems a bit over the top, but if Monty Python and the Holy Grail taught me anything, it would be to never underestimate a rabbit!

 

[GiveAFlyingPuck]

Seems a bit over the top, but if Monty Python and the Holy Grail taught me anything, it would be to never underestimate a rabbit!

Look at the bones!

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Seems a bit over the top, but if Monty Python and the Holy Grail taught me anything, it would be to never underestimate a rabbit!

...and always travel with a Holy Hand Grenade!

 

[Etch]

Seems a bit over the top, but if Monty Python and the Holy Grail taught me anything, it would be to never underestimate a rabbit!

Exactly

 

[XX]

It's official - Dave Tippett now makes a million bucks a year more than a guy who has won two Cups and has only missed the playoffs twice as a head coach since 1992.

Drummond continues to look like a sucker.

 

[mouser]

He's not even a good coach. He's a worse talent evaluator

He's a good coach. The debate was and continues to be how his coaching approach weighs short term goals vs longer term goals of player development. Hence the well deserved concern of giving him more authority over decisions on young prospects in the system.

 

[1mjp]

Really, how do NHL coaches--even the cup winning ones--get these extensions? There is a 90% chance they get fired before it ends.

 

[Ebb]

Really, how do NHL coaches--even the cup winning ones--get these extensions? There is a 90% chance they get fired before it ends.

...and, depending on how they do, getting signed elsewhere to knock the old contract out.

Perhaps that's the plan here, give Tippett plenty of rope (5 years worth). If he does well, spectacular, if he does mediocre, fire him (and hope someone else signs him to wipeout the long-term contract). Of course Tippett might do what Maloney may, sit back and count the money until the previous contract ends and then seek employment.

I wonder what happens if he's fired as a coach, does he still remain the Executive VP of Hockey Operations?

 

[Puck possession wins]

I wonder what happens if he's fired as a coach, does he still remain the Executive VP of Hockey Operations?

They only way he will fired as a coach under his contract, is if he gets a "promotion" to the POHO or something above EVPHO.

If that happens, then Jim Playfair is your next head coach ladies and gentlemen.


Personally, I pray to god Tip learns how to run an offense. If not, they may as well just trade off all the prospects for scrap heap for all that I care

 

[rt]

He's a good coach. The debate was and continues to be how his coaching approach weighs short term goals vs longer term goals of player development. Hence the well deserved concern of giving him more authority over decisions on young prospects in the system.

Yeah? Put his resume on paper and look at it compared to his peers. He's been around a long time. I'll give him that. But in terms of overal results? Maybe above average? Now look at how he's been rewarded. Toby Rieder is a good player. If they gave him an 8yr deal for 50mil and a full NMC you'd have the roster equivalent of DT as he stands today.

 

[mouser]

Yeah? Put his resume on paper and look at it compared to his peers. He's been around a long time. I'll give him that. But in terms of overal results? Maybe above average? Now look at how he's been rewarded. Toby Rieder is a good player. If they gave him an 8yr deal for 50mil and a full NMC you'd have the roster equivalent of DT as he stands today.

And if you did that it wouldn't mean that Rieder isn't a good player. Nor does Tippett being overpaid mean that he isn't a good coach.

 

[kihekah19*]

...and always travel with a Holy Hand Grenade!

However ye must remember the sequence for pulling the pin of th holy hand grenade of Antioch!

Three shall be the number and the number shall be three, unless.....

 

[kihekah19*]

Look at the bones!

E's got big teeth!

 

[XX]

And if you did that it wouldn't mean that Rieder isn't a good player. Nor does Tippett being overpaid mean that he isn't a good coach.

Good? More like stable.

 

[kihekah19*]

Good? More like stable.

yeah, the last thing this outfit should want is stability!

 

[rt]

And if you did that it wouldn't mean that Rieder isn't a good player. Nor does Tippett being overpaid mean that he isn't a good coach.

Maybe Chipchura would've been a better example. Haha.

He's been outcoached since LA ran him over in the WCFs. His teams have been easily figured out, predicted, mitigated and dispatched with ever since. He hasn't changed, adapted or progressed. He's stubborn, rigid, outdated, and ineffective. His record over the last four seasons is worse than Wayne Gretzky's was. He's easy to coach against and his teams are easy to play against.

 

[Jakey53]

Maybe Chipchura would've been a better example. Haha.

He's been outcoached since LA ran him over in the WCFs. His teams have been easily figured out, predicted, mitigated and dispatched with ever since. He hasn't changed, adapted or progressed. He's stubborn, rigid, outdated, and ineffective. His record over the last four seasons is worse than Wayne Gretzky's was. He's easy to coach against and his teams are easy to play against.

I disagree. Do you really think Doan would have come back for another year if he thought the ownership was not stable or the coaches clueless? He doesn't need the frustration or the money at this time in his career. I have heard him more than once state how great DT and NB are as coaches. Doan says it like it is, he doesn't hold no punches and he doesn't have to at this stage in his career. I would take his opinion over anyone on these boards. I haven't heard mention Playfair though.

 

[Plub]

And if you did that it wouldn't mean that Rieder isn't a good player. Nor does Tippett being overpaid mean that he isn't a good coach.

No, but the results would show he's a fairly mediocre coach. The fat payday he just got makes his mediocrity even more apparent as people look for a way to justify such a large raise.

 

[kihekah19*]

No, but the results would show he's a fairly mediocre coach. The fat payday he just got makes his mediocrity even more apparent as people look for a way to justify such a large raise.

I don't shy away from controversial statement that get a conversation going, they need to be based on some truth however, but I don't know of anyone attempting to justify DT's pay day?

 

[kihekah19*]

Maybe Chipchura would've been a better example. Haha.

He's been outcoached since LA ran him over in the WCFs. His teams have been easily figured out, predicted, mitigated and dispatched with ever since. He hasn't changed, adapted or progressed. He's stubborn, rigid, outdated, and ineffective. His record over the last four seasons is worse than Wayne Gretzky's was. He's easy to coach against and his teams are easy to play against.

Haha - not like all those element of surprise coaches!

Yep, you've convinced me, he's a real has been, a dinosaur!

 

[ClassLessCoyote]

Maybe Chipchura would've been a better example. Haha.

He's been outcoached since LA ran him over in the WCFs. His teams have been easily figured out, predicted, mitigated and dispatched with ever since. He hasn't changed, adapted or progressed. He's stubborn, rigid, outdated, and ineffective. His record over the last four seasons is worse than Wayne Gretzky's was. He's easy to coach against and his teams are easy to play against.

But we're not allowed to say anything bad about Tippett even it's it true but instead to drink the kool-aid.