Kessel>Seguin +
Not Even A Big Fan!!
I personally like your team better than IR's team.
Especially now that Streit and Savard are injured.
Maybe they could make a bet for the season, an avi or user name bet. We all know IR4 loves those
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Dr Pepper
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Maybe they could make a bet for the season, an avi or user name bet. We all know IR4 loves those
That is exactly why I'd never risk losing Jasper.
Or Modo, for that matter, lol
IslesRock4
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I personally like your team better than IR's team.
Especially now that Streit and Savard are injured.
By the way, your team sucks.
I agree with Juice as far as forward lines go, your top line edges my top line by the slimmest of margins; however, JVR added 8 lbs of lean muscle in the offseason and is going to get every opportunity to be one of the Flyers top threats this year, so I suppose that may remain to be seen. Your 2nd line can't hold a candle to Carter-Horton, though. That tandem right there would make a pretty good 1st line, let alone 2nd. Our 3rd lines are relatively close, although I edge you out, and the 4th line I just really don't see a comparison.
I think you are severely overrating Halak and the Blues if you believe he will have a better season than Bryz, btw. Also, there really is no comparison between our defenses, mine is head and shoulders above yours.
Honestly, you have a good team, but ranking you number 2 was one of the things I disagreed with Juice on. There are certainly better teams. Maybe I will compile my own rankings on Friday when I have some time to kill.
Kessel>Seguin +
Not Even A Big Fan!!
Teams better than the Oilers:
The Canadiens have better forwards in the top 3 lines (including a better top line - which is probably the best in the league), a better defense and a MUCH better goaltending tandem. Their only weakness is an AHL 4th line.
The Senators have a better defense and the best goaltending tandem, by far, in the league (a league where 4/10 categories are goalie driven, btw). I am not sold on all of their forwards, but he has a great mix of hitting and scoring, and the best 4th line in the league (ie. forward depth) hands down.
The Flames have the best top 3 forward lines in the league (before Okposo's injury, obviously), a better defense and a MUCH better goaltending tandem (possibly the 2nd best in the league if Leighton doesn't lose his starting job - although as a Flyers fan I sure hope he does
- and can come back from injury well). Their only weakness is not having any PPG forwards other than Iginla, but they make up for that with incredible depth.Honorable mentions to Team Schenn
and IR prior to injuries decimating his team. I will have a more in depth ranking tommorrow.I am just not sold on the Oilers, they have injury prone stars and the worst goaltending tandem in the league. Honestly, they may not make it into the upper half of my rankings. The teams I listed above are the teams I truly think will be giving me a run for my money as top team, with one or two very close to edging me out.
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are in desperate need of some RW, D and Goalies so PM me ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
same here, I need RW. Leino ro Andrei Kostitsyn could be had c\for one and I<m also looking for a Center
I wish we could have more than 22 players, I kind of wanted to free up extra salary so I could grab some more bench depth. Oh well.
As promised, here is my breakdown of each team going into the '10-'11 season. I have ranked each team in order for all 4 forward lines, all 3 defense lines and the goalie position with various weights attached to them. I conducted these rankings position by position with no team labels attached, so it is as unbiased as humanly possible.
Since this is a goalie driven league, goalies contribute 100/420 points, forwards contribute 200/420 and defense contributes 120/420.
Calculations Based on Rankings
For forwards: =SUM((21-B2)*4, (21-B3)*3, (21-B4)*2, (21-B5))
Where B2 is first line forwards, B3 is second line forwards, etc.
For defense: =SUM((21-B6)*3, (21-B7)*2, (21-B8))
Where B6 is first pairing defense, etc.
For total: =SUM(B11, B12, (21-B9)*5)
Where B11 are forward totals, B12 are defense totals and B9 is for goalies.
In the TEAMS portion of the post I list each team (in no particular order) along with their individual rankings in each category, in the rankings by position I list each team for each position in order 1-20 and in the team rankings portion I copy and posted straight from excel, teams are ranked from highest point total to lowest.
Without further ado, the wall of text commences!
---------------------------TEAMS-----------------------------
Wings
Forwards:
8. Wolski – Thorton – Giroux
14. Lucic – Taveras – Clarkson
4. Versteeg – Peverly – Williams
3. Leino-Schenn-A.K (LW)
Defense:
14. Weber – J.Johnson -
4. Bogo – McBain
20. Butler – Sbisa
12. Price-Bernier
Colorado
6. Ovechkin-Spezza-Vrbata
8. Gagne-Bergeron-Pisani
6. Lupul-Backlund-guerin
10. Hagman-Anisimov-Clutterbuck
15. Seabrook-Visnovsky
8. Michalek-Vlasic
14. Shattenkirk – Ericsson
9. Hiller-Niemi
Devils
11. Booth – Duchene – Eriksson
16. Brunette – Plekanec – Selanne
17. Torres – Steen – Miettinen
16. Chimera – O’Reilly – Ward
3. Keith – Ehroff
12. White – Zidlicky
8. Komi – Montador
14. Rask-Thomas
Philadelphia
5. Van Riemsyk(1.654)-Stamkos(3.725)-Alfredsson(4.875)
2. Sullivan(3.75)-Carter(5)-Horton(4)
2. Kunitz(3.725)-Brassard(3.2)-Doan(4.55)
9. Glenncross(1.2)-Morrison(?)-Bertuzzi(1.9375)
4. Gonchar(5.5)-Kaberle(4.25)
1. Timonen(6.33)-Barker(3.083)
1. Quincey(3.125)-Bieksa(3.75)
6. Bryzgalov(4.25)-Elliott(0.85)
Canadians
1. Parise – Datsyuk – Perry
9. Ryan – S Koivu – Gionta
5. Malone – Arnott – Broweur
20. Pouliot – Eller – D’agostini
5. Chara – Karlsson
10. Orpik – Stalman
12. Beauchemin – Russel
7. Fleurry- Gustavsson
Toronto
2. Marleau – Roy – Heatley
19. Burrows – Bolland – Downie
18. Hecht – Filppula – Simmonds
17. Dawes – Coutrue – Ryder
1. Pronger – Rafalski
11. Yandle – Seidenburg
13. Aucoin – Daley
17. Anderson-Osgood
Flames
17. Raymond – Weiss – Iginla
7. Laich – Ribero – Okposo
3. Macdonald – Fisher – Bourque
11. Tangradi – Hanzal – Dvorak
2. Phaneuf – Lidstrom
3. Edler – Kronwall
4. Carlson – Carson
4. Kipper-Leighton
Oilers
3. Cammi – Kopitar – Gaborik
1. Morrow – Pavelski – Franzen
9. Latendress – Vermette – Little
15. Omark – Brule – Yip
17. Ballard – Burns
16. Giordano – Kulikov
5. Cuminsky – Gilroy
18. Halak-Dubnyk
Tampa
7. Michalek – Staal – Nash
13. Ennis – Krejci – Kessel
8. Stalberg – Staal – Frolik
5. Miller – Sutter – Strafford
16. Boyle – Kubina
9. Pietro – Gunnarsson
6. Coburn – Stuart
16. Mason-Leclaire
Islanders
9. T Ruttu – Zetterberg – Kane
12. R Whitney – Vinny – Samuelsson
1. Kulimen – Zajac – Knuble
7. Cooke – Schremp – Stempniak
11. Wisniewski – Streit
17. Gleason – Morris
9. MacDonald – Taillinder
19. Dan Ellis-Neuvrith
Sharks
10. Elias – Getzlaf – Hossa
5. Clowe – Richards – Pominville
16. Carcillo – Seguin – Holstrom
14. Heduk – Berglund –
20. Kuba – OEL
18. Corvo – Leopold
15. Campoli – Franson
11. Ward-Mason
Senators
13. Jussi Jokinen - Brad Richards - Martin St. Louis
3. Thomas Fleischmann - Patrick Sharp - Alex Semin
7. Vinny Prospal - Matt Cullen - Dustin Brown
1. Scott Parse - Michal Handzus - Scottie Upshall
13. Alex Goligosky - Andy Greene
7. Anton Babchuk - Carlo Colaiacovo
17. Douglas Murray - Fistric
1. Martin Brodeur-Jimmy Howard
Capitals
12. Neal – Kesler – Hemsky
11. Hartnell – Antropov – Seto
11. Ladd – Gomez – Dumont
12. Avery – Ott – Crombeen
8. Green – Wideman
19. Polak – Souray
19. Alberts – N/A
5. Lunogo-Nitty
Canucks
18. Kovalchuk – Lombardi – Callahan
15. Poni – Jokinen – Zherdev
12. Blake – Bozak – Callahan
8. Stillman – Kadri – Hudler
6. Myers – Robidas
2. Subban – Campbell
7. Schultz – Green
2. Turco-Rinne
Blackhawks
19. Thomas Vanek - Daniel Briere - Brain Rolston
17. Ryan Smyth - Mikhail Grabovski - Martin Erat
13. Andrew Cogliano - Darren Helm - Blake Comeau
19. Eric Boulton - Frans Nielsen - Zack Stortini
9. Ryan Whitney - Drew Doughty
13. Michael Del Zotto - Matt Niskanen
2. Ed Jovanovski - Dustin Byfuglien
10. Niklas Backstrom-Ondrej Pavelec
Penguins
15. Taylor Hall - Sidney Crosby - Alexei Kovalev
6. David Perron - Paul Stastny - Niclas Bergfors
15. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson - Jordan Eberle - Steve Bernier
2. Nikita Filatov - Kyle Turris - Trent Hunter
10. Tom Gilbert - Victor Hedman
5. Erik Johnson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
18. Jason Demers - Tom Poti
15. Kari Lehtonen-Mike Smith
Stars
14. Jamie Benn-Nicklas Backstrom-Jakub Voracek
18. Peter Mueller-Sam Gagner-David Backes
10. Evander Kane-Mike Modano-Blake Wheeler
18. Fabian Brunnstrom-Tom Wandell-Michael Grabner
19. Jay Bouwmeester-Dan Hamhuis
15. Chris Philips-Kris Letang
16. Johnny Boychuk-Karl Alzner
3. Ryan Miller-Semyon Varlamov
Sabres
4. Sedin – Sedin – Havlat
4. Moulson – Connelly – Hornquist
19. Dupuis – Stoll – Armstrong
13. Nystrom – Brodziak – Laperriere
12. McCabe – Enstrom
20. Tyutin – Giradi
10. Schenn – Huskins
20. Quick-Raycroft
Rangers
20. Frolov – Toews – Stewart
20. Penner – Oshie – Glennie
14. MacArthur – Dubinsky – Mats Zuccarello
4. S Kostitsyn – Umberger- Stajan (C)
18. Suter – Staal
14. Pitkanen – Hillen
11. McDonagh - Rozsival
13. Lundqvist-Biron
Bruins
16. Huselius – Malkin – Langenbrunner
10. Comrie – M Koivu – Boyes
20. Tanguay – Regin – Jones
6. Foligno – Kennedy – Rechhi
7. Markov – Foster
6. Carle – Martin
3. Liles – Hunwick
8. Vokoun-Roloson
------------------TEAM RANKINGS BY POS------------------
F1: (4xpos)
1.MON: Parise – Datsyuk – Perry
2. TOR: Marleau – Roy – Heatley
3. EDM: Cammi – Kopitar – Gaborik
4. BUF: Sedin – Sedin – Havlat
5. PHI: Van Riemsdyk-Stamkos-Alfredsson
6. COL: Ovechkin-Spezza-Vrbata
7. TB: Michalek –E. Staal – Nash
8. DET: Wolski – Thorton – Giroux
9. NYI: T Ruttu – Zetterberg – Kane
10. SJ: Elias – Getzlaf – Hossa
11. NJ: Booth – Duchene – Eriksson
12. WAS: Neal – Kesler – Hemsky
13.OTT: Jussi Jokinen - Brad Richards - Martin St. Louis
14. DAL: Jamie Benn-Nicklas Backstrom-Jakub Voracek
15. PIT: Taylor Hall - Sidney Crosby - Alexei Kovalev
16. BOS: Huselius – Malkin – Langenbrunner
17. CAL: Raymond – Weiss – Iginla
18. VAN: Kovelchuk – Lombardi – Callahan
19. CHI: Thomas Vanek - Daniel Briere - Brian Rolston
20. NYR: Frolov – Toews – Stewart
F2: (3xpos)
1. EDM: Morrow – Pavelski – Franzen
2. PHI: Sullivan-Carter-Horton
3. OTT: Thomas Fleischmann - Patrick Sharp - Alex Semin
4. BUF: Moulson – Connelly – Hornquist
5. SJ: Clowe – Richards – Pominville
6. PIT: David Perron - Paul Stastny - Niclas Bergfors
7. CAL: Laich – Ribero – Okposo
8. COL: Gagne-Bergeron-Pisani
9. MON: Ryan – S Koivu – Gionta
10. BOS: Comrie – M Koivu – Boyes
11. WAS: Hartnell – Antropov – Setoguchi
12. NYI: R Whitney – Lecavalier – Samuelsson
13. TB: Ennis – Krejci – Kessel
14. DET: Lucic – Taveras – Clarkson
15. VAN: Poni – Jokinen – Zherdev
16. NJ: Brunette – Plekanec – Selanne
17. CHI: Ryan Smyth - Mikhail Grabovski - Martin Erat
18. DAL: Peter Mueller-Sam Gagner-David Backes
19. TOR: Burrows – Bolland – Downie
20. NYR: Penner – Oshie – Glennie
F3: (2xpos)
1. NYI: Kulimen – Zajac – Knuble
2. PHI: Kunitz-Brassard-Doan
3. CAL: Macdonald – Fisher – Bourque
4. DET: Versteeg – Peverly – Ju. Williams
5. MON: Malone – Arnott – Broweur
6. COL: Lupul-Backlund-guerin
7. OTT: Vinny Prospal - Matt Cullen - Dustin Brown
8. TB: Stalberg – J. Staal – Frolik
9. EDM: Latendress – Vermette – Little
10. DAL: Evander Kane-Mike Modano-Blake Wheeler
11. WAS: Ladd – Gomez – Dumont
12. VAN: Blake – Bozak – R. Callahan
13. CHI: Andrew Cogliano - Darren Helm - Blake Comeau
14. NYR: MacArthur – Dubinsky – Mats Zuccarello
15. PIT: Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson - Jordan Eberle - Steve Bernier
16. SJ: Carcillo – Seguin – Holstrom
17. NJ: Torres – Steen – Miettinen
18. TOR: Hecht – Filppula – Simmonds
19. BUF: Dupuis – Stoll – Armstrong
20. BOS: Tanguay – Regin – Jones
F4: (1xpos)
1.OTT: Scott Parse - Michal Handzus - Scottie Upshall
2. PIT: Nikita Filatov - Kyle Turris - Trent Hunter
3. Leino-Schenn-A.K (LW)
4. NYR: S Kostitsyn – Umberger- Stajan (C)
5. TB: Miller – Sutter – Strafford
6. BOS: Foligno – Kennedy – Rechhi
7. NYI: Cooke – Schremp – Stempniak
8. VAN: Stillman – Kadri – Hudler
9. PHI: Glenncross-Belanger-Skille
10. COL: Hagman-Anisimov-Clutterbuck
11. CAL: Tangradi – Hanzal – Dvorak
12. WAS: Avery – Ott – Crombeen
13. BUF: Nystrom – Brodziak – Laperriere
14. SJ: Hedjuk – Berglund – X
15. EDM: Omark – Brule – Yip
16. NJ: Chimera – O’Reilly – Ward
17. TOR: Dawes – Coutrue – Ryder
18. DAL: Fabian Brunnstrom-Tom Wandell-Michael Grabner
19. CHI: Eric Boulton - Frans Nielsen - Zack Stortini
20. MON: Pouliot – Eller – D’agostini
D1: (3xpos)
1.TOR: Pronger – Rafalski
2. CAL: Phaneuf – Lidstrom
3. NJ: Keith – Ehroff
4. PHI: Gonchar-Kaberle
5. MON: Chara – Karlsson
6. VAN: Myers – Robidas
7. BOS: Markov – Foster
8. WAS: Green – Wideman
9. CHI: Ryan Whitney - Drew Doughty
10. PIT: Tom Gilbert - Victor Hedman
11. NYI: Wisniewski – Streit
12. BUF: McCabe – Enstrom
13. OTT: Alex Goligosky - Andy Greene
14. DET: Weber – J.Johnson
15. COL: Seabrook-Visnovsky
16. TB: Boyle – Kubina
17. EDM: Ballard – Burns
18. NYR: Suter – Staal
19. DAL: Jay Bouwmeester-Dan Hamhuis
20. SJ Kuba – OEL
D2: (2xpos)
1.PHI: Timonen-Barker
2. VAN: Subban – Campbell
3. CAL: Edler – Kronwall
4. DET: Bogo – McBain
5. PIT: Erik Johnson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
6. BOS: Carle – Martin
7. OTT: Anton Babchuk - Carlo Colaiacovo
8. COL: Michalek-Vlasic
9. TB: Pietro – Gunnarsson
10. MON: Orpik – Stalman
11. TOR: Yandle – Seidenburg
12. NJ: White – Zidlicky
13. CHI: Michael Del Zotto - Matt Niskanen
14. NYR: Pitkanen – Hillen
15. DAL: Chris Philips-Kris Letang
16. EDM: Giordano – Kulikov
17. NYI: Gleason – Morris
18. SJ: Corvo – Leopold
19. WAS: Polak – Souray
20. BUF: Tyutin – Giradi
D3: (1xpos)
1.PHI: Quincey-Bieksa
2. CHI: Ed Jovanovski - Dustin Byfuglien
3. BOS: Liles – Hunwick
4. CAL: Carlson – Carson
5. EDM: Cuminsky – Gilroy
6. TB: Coburn – Stuart
7. VAN: Schultz – Green
8. NJ: Komi – Montador
9. NYI: MacDonald – Taillinder
10. BUF: Schenn – Huskins
11. NYR: McDonagh - Rozsival
12. MON: Beauchemin – Russel
13. TOR: Aucoin – Daley
14. COL: Shattenkirk – Ericsson
15. SJ: Campoli – Franson
16. DAL: Johnny Boychuk-Karl Alzner
17. OTT: Douglas Murray – Fistric
18. PIT: Jason Demers - Tom Poti
19. WAS: Alberts-X
20. DET: Butler – Sbisa
G: (5xpos)
1.OTT: Martin Brodeur-Jimmy Howard
2. VAN: Turco-Rinne
3. DAL: Ryan Miller-Semyon Varlamov
4. CAL: Kipper-Leighton
5. WAS: Luongo-Nitty
6. PHI: Bryzgalov-Elliott
7. MON: Fleurry -Gustavsson
8. BOS: Vokoun-Roloson
9. COL: Hiller-Niemi
10. CHI: Niklas Backstrom-Ondrej Pavelec
11. SJ: Ward-C. Mason
12. DET: Price-Bernier
13. NYR: Lundqvist-Biron
14. NJ: Rask-Thomas
15. PIT: Kari Lehtonen-Mike Smith
16. TB: S. Mason-Leclaire
17. TOR: Anderson-Osgood
18. EDM: Halak-Dubnyk
19. NYI: Dan Ellis-Neuvrith
20. BUF: Quick-Raycroft
-----------------------Team Rankings----------------------
team phi cal mon ott van col det bos
f1 5 17 1 13 18 6 8 16
f2 2 7 9 3 15 8 14 10
f3 2 3 5 7 12 6 4 20
f4 9 11 20 1 8 10 3 6
d1 4 2 5 13 6 15 14 7
d2 1 3 10 7 2 8 4 6
d3 1 4 12 17 7 14 20 3
g 6 4 7 1 2 9 12 8
ftotal 171 104 149 134 61 140 125 70
dtotal 111 110 79 56 97 51 56 90
total 357 299 298 290 253 251 226 225
team was edm tb tor pitt nyi nj buf
f1 12 3 7 2 15 9 11 4
f2 11 1 13 19 6 12 16 4
f3 11 9 8 18 15 1 17 19
f4 12 15 5 17 2 7 16 13
d1 8 17 16 1 10 11 3 12
d2 19 16 9 11 5 17 12 20
d3 19 5 6 13 18 9 8 10
g 18 16 17 15 19 14 20
ftotal 95 162 122 92 100 129 68 131
dtotal 45 38 54 88 68 50 85 40
total 220 215 201 200 198 189 188 176
team dal sj chi nyr
f1 14 10 19 20
f2 18 5 17 20
f3 10 16 13 14
f4 18 14 19 4
d1 19 20 9 18
d2 15 18 13 14
d3 16 15 2 11
g 3 11 10 13
ftotal 62 109 38 38
dtotal 23 15 71 33
total 175 174 164 111
Since this is a goalie driven league, goalies contribute 100/420 points, forwards contribute 200/420 and defense contributes 120/420.
Calculations Based on Rankings
For forwards: =SUM((21-B2)*4, (21-B3)*3, (21-B4)*2, (21-B5))
Where B2 is first line forwards, B3 is second line forwards, etc.
For defense: =SUM((21-B6)*3, (21-B7)*2, (21-B8))
Where B6 is first pairing defense, etc.
For total: =SUM(B11, B12, (21-B9)*5)
Where B11 are forward totals, B12 are defense totals and B9 is for goalies.
In the TEAMS portion of the post I list each team (in no particular order) along with their individual rankings in each category, in the rankings by position I list each team for each position in order 1-20 and in the team rankings portion I copy and posted straight from excel, teams are ranked from highest point total to lowest.
Without further ado, the wall of text commences!
---------------------------TEAMS-----------------------------
Wings
Forwards:
8. Wolski – Thorton – Giroux
14. Lucic – Taveras – Clarkson
4. Versteeg – Peverly – Williams
3. Leino-Schenn-A.K (LW)
Defense:
14. Weber – J.Johnson -
4. Bogo – McBain
20. Butler – Sbisa
12. Price-Bernier
Colorado
6. Ovechkin-Spezza-Vrbata
8. Gagne-Bergeron-Pisani
6. Lupul-Backlund-guerin
10. Hagman-Anisimov-Clutterbuck
15. Seabrook-Visnovsky
8. Michalek-Vlasic
14. Shattenkirk – Ericsson
9. Hiller-Niemi
Devils
11. Booth – Duchene – Eriksson
16. Brunette – Plekanec – Selanne
17. Torres – Steen – Miettinen
16. Chimera – O’Reilly – Ward
3. Keith – Ehroff
12. White – Zidlicky
8. Komi – Montador
14. Rask-Thomas
Philadelphia
5. Van Riemsyk(1.654)-Stamkos(3.725)-Alfredsson(4.875)
2. Sullivan(3.75)-Carter(5)-Horton(4)
2. Kunitz(3.725)-Brassard(3.2)-Doan(4.55)
9. Glenncross(1.2)-Morrison(?)-Bertuzzi(1.9375)
4. Gonchar(5.5)-Kaberle(4.25)
1. Timonen(6.33)-Barker(3.083)
1. Quincey(3.125)-Bieksa(3.75)
6. Bryzgalov(4.25)-Elliott(0.85)
Canadians
1. Parise – Datsyuk – Perry
9. Ryan – S Koivu – Gionta
5. Malone – Arnott – Broweur
20. Pouliot – Eller – D’agostini
5. Chara – Karlsson
10. Orpik – Stalman
12. Beauchemin – Russel
7. Fleurry- Gustavsson
Toronto
2. Marleau – Roy – Heatley
19. Burrows – Bolland – Downie
18. Hecht – Filppula – Simmonds
17. Dawes – Coutrue – Ryder
1. Pronger – Rafalski
11. Yandle – Seidenburg
13. Aucoin – Daley
17. Anderson-Osgood
Flames
17. Raymond – Weiss – Iginla
7. Laich – Ribero – Okposo
3. Macdonald – Fisher – Bourque
11. Tangradi – Hanzal – Dvorak
2. Phaneuf – Lidstrom
3. Edler – Kronwall
4. Carlson – Carson
4. Kipper-Leighton
Oilers
3. Cammi – Kopitar – Gaborik
1. Morrow – Pavelski – Franzen
9. Latendress – Vermette – Little
15. Omark – Brule – Yip
17. Ballard – Burns
16. Giordano – Kulikov
5. Cuminsky – Gilroy
18. Halak-Dubnyk
Tampa
7. Michalek – Staal – Nash
13. Ennis – Krejci – Kessel
8. Stalberg – Staal – Frolik
5. Miller – Sutter – Strafford
16. Boyle – Kubina
9. Pietro – Gunnarsson
6. Coburn – Stuart
16. Mason-Leclaire
Islanders
9. T Ruttu – Zetterberg – Kane
12. R Whitney – Vinny – Samuelsson
1. Kulimen – Zajac – Knuble
7. Cooke – Schremp – Stempniak
11. Wisniewski – Streit
17. Gleason – Morris
9. MacDonald – Taillinder
19. Dan Ellis-Neuvrith
Sharks
10. Elias – Getzlaf – Hossa
5. Clowe – Richards – Pominville
16. Carcillo – Seguin – Holstrom
14. Heduk – Berglund –
20. Kuba – OEL
18. Corvo – Leopold
15. Campoli – Franson
11. Ward-Mason
Senators
13. Jussi Jokinen - Brad Richards - Martin St. Louis
3. Thomas Fleischmann - Patrick Sharp - Alex Semin
7. Vinny Prospal - Matt Cullen - Dustin Brown
1. Scott Parse - Michal Handzus - Scottie Upshall
13. Alex Goligosky - Andy Greene
7. Anton Babchuk - Carlo Colaiacovo
17. Douglas Murray - Fistric
1. Martin Brodeur-Jimmy Howard
Capitals
12. Neal – Kesler – Hemsky
11. Hartnell – Antropov – Seto
11. Ladd – Gomez – Dumont
12. Avery – Ott – Crombeen
8. Green – Wideman
19. Polak – Souray
19. Alberts – N/A
5. Lunogo-Nitty
Canucks
18. Kovalchuk – Lombardi – Callahan
15. Poni – Jokinen – Zherdev
12. Blake – Bozak – Callahan
8. Stillman – Kadri – Hudler
6. Myers – Robidas
2. Subban – Campbell
7. Schultz – Green
2. Turco-Rinne
Blackhawks
19. Thomas Vanek - Daniel Briere - Brain Rolston
17. Ryan Smyth - Mikhail Grabovski - Martin Erat
13. Andrew Cogliano - Darren Helm - Blake Comeau
19. Eric Boulton - Frans Nielsen - Zack Stortini
9. Ryan Whitney - Drew Doughty
13. Michael Del Zotto - Matt Niskanen
2. Ed Jovanovski - Dustin Byfuglien
10. Niklas Backstrom-Ondrej Pavelec
Penguins
15. Taylor Hall - Sidney Crosby - Alexei Kovalev
6. David Perron - Paul Stastny - Niclas Bergfors
15. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson - Jordan Eberle - Steve Bernier
2. Nikita Filatov - Kyle Turris - Trent Hunter
10. Tom Gilbert - Victor Hedman
5. Erik Johnson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
18. Jason Demers - Tom Poti
15. Kari Lehtonen-Mike Smith
Stars
14. Jamie Benn-Nicklas Backstrom-Jakub Voracek
18. Peter Mueller-Sam Gagner-David Backes
10. Evander Kane-Mike Modano-Blake Wheeler
18. Fabian Brunnstrom-Tom Wandell-Michael Grabner
19. Jay Bouwmeester-Dan Hamhuis
15. Chris Philips-Kris Letang
16. Johnny Boychuk-Karl Alzner
3. Ryan Miller-Semyon Varlamov
Sabres
4. Sedin – Sedin – Havlat
4. Moulson – Connelly – Hornquist
19. Dupuis – Stoll – Armstrong
13. Nystrom – Brodziak – Laperriere
12. McCabe – Enstrom
20. Tyutin – Giradi
10. Schenn – Huskins
20. Quick-Raycroft
Rangers
20. Frolov – Toews – Stewart
20. Penner – Oshie – Glennie
14. MacArthur – Dubinsky – Mats Zuccarello
4. S Kostitsyn – Umberger- Stajan (C)
18. Suter – Staal
14. Pitkanen – Hillen
11. McDonagh - Rozsival
13. Lundqvist-Biron
Bruins
16. Huselius – Malkin – Langenbrunner
10. Comrie – M Koivu – Boyes
20. Tanguay – Regin – Jones
6. Foligno – Kennedy – Rechhi
7. Markov – Foster
6. Carle – Martin
3. Liles – Hunwick
8. Vokoun-Roloson
------------------TEAM RANKINGS BY POS------------------
F1: (4xpos)
1.MON: Parise – Datsyuk – Perry
2. TOR: Marleau – Roy – Heatley
3. EDM: Cammi – Kopitar – Gaborik
4. BUF: Sedin – Sedin – Havlat
5. PHI: Van Riemsdyk-Stamkos-Alfredsson
6. COL: Ovechkin-Spezza-Vrbata
7. TB: Michalek –E. Staal – Nash
8. DET: Wolski – Thorton – Giroux
9. NYI: T Ruttu – Zetterberg – Kane
10. SJ: Elias – Getzlaf – Hossa
11. NJ: Booth – Duchene – Eriksson
12. WAS: Neal – Kesler – Hemsky
13.OTT: Jussi Jokinen - Brad Richards - Martin St. Louis
14. DAL: Jamie Benn-Nicklas Backstrom-Jakub Voracek
15. PIT: Taylor Hall - Sidney Crosby - Alexei Kovalev
16. BOS: Huselius – Malkin – Langenbrunner
17. CAL: Raymond – Weiss – Iginla
18. VAN: Kovelchuk – Lombardi – Callahan
19. CHI: Thomas Vanek - Daniel Briere - Brian Rolston
20. NYR: Frolov – Toews – Stewart
F2: (3xpos)
1. EDM: Morrow – Pavelski – Franzen
2. PHI: Sullivan-Carter-Horton
3. OTT: Thomas Fleischmann - Patrick Sharp - Alex Semin
4. BUF: Moulson – Connelly – Hornquist
5. SJ: Clowe – Richards – Pominville
6. PIT: David Perron - Paul Stastny - Niclas Bergfors
7. CAL: Laich – Ribero – Okposo
8. COL: Gagne-Bergeron-Pisani
9. MON: Ryan – S Koivu – Gionta
10. BOS: Comrie – M Koivu – Boyes
11. WAS: Hartnell – Antropov – Setoguchi
12. NYI: R Whitney – Lecavalier – Samuelsson
13. TB: Ennis – Krejci – Kessel
14. DET: Lucic – Taveras – Clarkson
15. VAN: Poni – Jokinen – Zherdev
16. NJ: Brunette – Plekanec – Selanne
17. CHI: Ryan Smyth - Mikhail Grabovski - Martin Erat
18. DAL: Peter Mueller-Sam Gagner-David Backes
19. TOR: Burrows – Bolland – Downie
20. NYR: Penner – Oshie – Glennie
F3: (2xpos)
1. NYI: Kulimen – Zajac – Knuble
2. PHI: Kunitz-Brassard-Doan
3. CAL: Macdonald – Fisher – Bourque
4. DET: Versteeg – Peverly – Ju. Williams
5. MON: Malone – Arnott – Broweur
6. COL: Lupul-Backlund-guerin
7. OTT: Vinny Prospal - Matt Cullen - Dustin Brown
8. TB: Stalberg – J. Staal – Frolik
9. EDM: Latendress – Vermette – Little
10. DAL: Evander Kane-Mike Modano-Blake Wheeler
11. WAS: Ladd – Gomez – Dumont
12. VAN: Blake – Bozak – R. Callahan
13. CHI: Andrew Cogliano - Darren Helm - Blake Comeau
14. NYR: MacArthur – Dubinsky – Mats Zuccarello
15. PIT: Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson - Jordan Eberle - Steve Bernier
16. SJ: Carcillo – Seguin – Holstrom
17. NJ: Torres – Steen – Miettinen
18. TOR: Hecht – Filppula – Simmonds
19. BUF: Dupuis – Stoll – Armstrong
20. BOS: Tanguay – Regin – Jones
F4: (1xpos)
1.OTT: Scott Parse - Michal Handzus - Scottie Upshall
2. PIT: Nikita Filatov - Kyle Turris - Trent Hunter
3. Leino-Schenn-A.K (LW)
4. NYR: S Kostitsyn – Umberger- Stajan (C)
5. TB: Miller – Sutter – Strafford
6. BOS: Foligno – Kennedy – Rechhi
7. NYI: Cooke – Schremp – Stempniak
8. VAN: Stillman – Kadri – Hudler
9. PHI: Glenncross-Belanger-Skille
10. COL: Hagman-Anisimov-Clutterbuck
11. CAL: Tangradi – Hanzal – Dvorak
12. WAS: Avery – Ott – Crombeen
13. BUF: Nystrom – Brodziak – Laperriere
14. SJ: Hedjuk – Berglund – X
15. EDM: Omark – Brule – Yip
16. NJ: Chimera – O’Reilly – Ward
17. TOR: Dawes – Coutrue – Ryder
18. DAL: Fabian Brunnstrom-Tom Wandell-Michael Grabner
19. CHI: Eric Boulton - Frans Nielsen - Zack Stortini
20. MON: Pouliot – Eller – D’agostini
D1: (3xpos)
1.TOR: Pronger – Rafalski
2. CAL: Phaneuf – Lidstrom
3. NJ: Keith – Ehroff
4. PHI: Gonchar-Kaberle
5. MON: Chara – Karlsson
6. VAN: Myers – Robidas
7. BOS: Markov – Foster
8. WAS: Green – Wideman
9. CHI: Ryan Whitney - Drew Doughty
10. PIT: Tom Gilbert - Victor Hedman
11. NYI: Wisniewski – Streit
12. BUF: McCabe – Enstrom
13. OTT: Alex Goligosky - Andy Greene
14. DET: Weber – J.Johnson
15. COL: Seabrook-Visnovsky
16. TB: Boyle – Kubina
17. EDM: Ballard – Burns
18. NYR: Suter – Staal
19. DAL: Jay Bouwmeester-Dan Hamhuis
20. SJ Kuba – OEL
D2: (2xpos)
1.PHI: Timonen-Barker
2. VAN: Subban – Campbell
3. CAL: Edler – Kronwall
4. DET: Bogo – McBain
5. PIT: Erik Johnson - Niklas Hjalmarsson
6. BOS: Carle – Martin
7. OTT: Anton Babchuk - Carlo Colaiacovo
8. COL: Michalek-Vlasic
9. TB: Pietro – Gunnarsson
10. MON: Orpik – Stalman
11. TOR: Yandle – Seidenburg
12. NJ: White – Zidlicky
13. CHI: Michael Del Zotto - Matt Niskanen
14. NYR: Pitkanen – Hillen
15. DAL: Chris Philips-Kris Letang
16. EDM: Giordano – Kulikov
17. NYI: Gleason – Morris
18. SJ: Corvo – Leopold
19. WAS: Polak – Souray
20. BUF: Tyutin – Giradi
D3: (1xpos)
1.PHI: Quincey-Bieksa
2. CHI: Ed Jovanovski - Dustin Byfuglien
3. BOS: Liles – Hunwick
4. CAL: Carlson – Carson
5. EDM: Cuminsky – Gilroy
6. TB: Coburn – Stuart
7. VAN: Schultz – Green
8. NJ: Komi – Montador
9. NYI: MacDonald – Taillinder
10. BUF: Schenn – Huskins
11. NYR: McDonagh - Rozsival
12. MON: Beauchemin – Russel
13. TOR: Aucoin – Daley
14. COL: Shattenkirk – Ericsson
15. SJ: Campoli – Franson
16. DAL: Johnny Boychuk-Karl Alzner
17. OTT: Douglas Murray – Fistric
18. PIT: Jason Demers - Tom Poti
19. WAS: Alberts-X
20. DET: Butler – Sbisa
G: (5xpos)
1.OTT: Martin Brodeur-Jimmy Howard
2. VAN: Turco-Rinne
3. DAL: Ryan Miller-Semyon Varlamov
4. CAL: Kipper-Leighton
5. WAS: Luongo-Nitty
6. PHI: Bryzgalov-Elliott
7. MON: Fleurry -Gustavsson
8. BOS: Vokoun-Roloson
9. COL: Hiller-Niemi
10. CHI: Niklas Backstrom-Ondrej Pavelec
11. SJ: Ward-C. Mason
12. DET: Price-Bernier
13. NYR: Lundqvist-Biron
14. NJ: Rask-Thomas
15. PIT: Kari Lehtonen-Mike Smith
16. TB: S. Mason-Leclaire
17. TOR: Anderson-Osgood
18. EDM: Halak-Dubnyk
19. NYI: Dan Ellis-Neuvrith
20. BUF: Quick-Raycroft
-----------------------Team Rankings----------------------
team phi cal mon ott van col det bos
f1 5 17 1 13 18 6 8 16
f2 2 7 9 3 15 8 14 10
f3 2 3 5 7 12 6 4 20
f4 9 11 20 1 8 10 3 6
d1 4 2 5 13 6 15 14 7
d2 1 3 10 7 2 8 4 6
d3 1 4 12 17 7 14 20 3
g 6 4 7 1 2 9 12 8
ftotal 171 104 149 134 61 140 125 70
dtotal 111 110 79 56 97 51 56 90
total 357 299 298 290 253 251 226 225
team was edm tb tor pitt nyi nj buf
f1 12 3 7 2 15 9 11 4
f2 11 1 13 19 6 12 16 4
f3 11 9 8 18 15 1 17 19
f4 12 15 5 17 2 7 16 13
d1 8 17 16 1 10 11 3 12
d2 19 16 9 11 5 17 12 20
d3 19 5 6 13 18 9 8 10
g 18 16 17 15 19 14 20
ftotal 95 162 122 92 100 129 68 131
dtotal 45 38 54 88 68 50 85 40
total 220 215 201 200 198 189 188 176
team dal sj chi nyr
f1 14 10 19 20
f2 18 5 17 20
f3 10 16 13 14
f4 18 14 19 4
d1 19 20 9 18
d2 15 18 13 14
d3 16 15 2 11
g 3 11 10 13
ftotal 62 109 38 38
dtotal 23 15 71 33
total 175 174 164 111
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hahaha wow, and i thought i had too much time on my hands
anyways, one thing that is majorly flawed with your rankings is that dmen and forwards are actually pooled together so your post of "forwards contribute 200/420 and defense contributes 120/420" is actually skewed because a forward really accounts for way more pts than a dman in rotisserie, as there are 12f pos and only 6d and forwards score more during the season and are more valued.....other than the top 10 guys or so, dmen in rotisserie just provide depth...forward lines and goalies drive ur teams.....
regardless....ur predictions r interesting, dont agree at all with many of em, but interesting none the least.....we'll have to see how the season plays out....
hahaha wow, and i thought i had too much time on my hands
anyways, one thing that is majorly flawed with your rankings is that dmen and forwards are actually pooled together so your post of "forwards contribute 200/420 and defense contributes 120/420" is actually skewed because a forward really accounts for way more pts than a dman in rotisserie, as there are 12f pos and only 6d and forwards score more during the season and are more valued.....
You make an interesting point with this; however, I feel that I, at least somewhat, compensated for that with how I set up the point distributions (although that is certainly a topic for debate, and can very easily be adjusted for a new ranking if one were to want to do that).
F1=80 pos
F2=60 pos
F3=40 pos
F4=20 pos
D1=60 pos
D2=40 pos
D3=20 pos
G=100 pos
I was attempting to make D1=F2, but now that you mention it per player, F2=20/player; whereas D1=30/player. In fact, D1 at 30/player>F1 at 26.66/player, which was certainly not my intentions.
I suppose I should lower D1 to 50 pos (25/player), D2 to 35 pos (17.5/player) and D3 to 20 pos (10/player)
Then it would be set up so that G>>>F1>D1>F2>D2>F3>D3>F4
Which is more like how I intended.
Dmen contribute more hits (on average) than forwards, plus, don't discount assist totals and PP production of dmen. Teams play 2/3 of their defense on the PP as opposed to 1/2 of their offense; therefore, defense generally posts high PP numbers.
I suppose we will have to agree to disagree, which is why I drafted the best defense in the league and you focused on other aspects.
Which makes it fun to debate, no? At least I gave the tandem of Brodeur and Howard more respect than Juice did. Haha.
We will have to agree to disagree my friend. Toews is incredibly overrated (fantasy wise anyway), Frolov is switching from an immensely offensively talented LAK team to where offensive production goes to die in NYR and Stewart is a nice pick for a 2nd line, he is not a top 20 RW in the league.
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FOR THOSE COUPLE OF GM'S WHO HAVENT FIXED THEIR TEAMS....YOU MUST DO SO BEFORE MIDNIGHT ON THE 6TH OR I WILL CHANGE THEM FOR YOU
Nice work, agrudez.. however I still completely disagree with some of the forward and D lines ahead of me.
Feel free to point out which ones, I like discussing things.
I, personally, think Lehtonen may have a better season than Halak as I actually liked his potential in Atlanta and is now going to a better team (where he will have virtually no competition for playing time and may see 65+ GP). Halak had a hot playoff run and will fall back to Earth, just like hundreds of goalies before him who did the same thing. As a Flyers fan I can remember Hextall, Ceckmanek, Boucher and Esche all having 1 hot season that made everyone think they would be perennial all stars and then falling flat on their face the next year.
This is not to mention that in Atlanta Dan Ellis proved he couldn't hold onto the reigns of a team, so I kind of expect Smith to beat him out for the position sometime during the season and play 55ish games, but that may just be me.
Also, Dubnyk splitting time with Deslauries instead of playing 10-20 games a year behind Khabibulin may actually bite you in the ass because that 3+ GAA and <.9 SVPCT are going to ruin any stats that Halak puts up.
Those are the two teams I rated the duo better than, actually.
Joey Moss
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Alright, here's my opinons.
Latendresse - Vermette - Little is better than;
Stalberg - J Staal - Frolik
Lupul - Backlund - Guerin
Versteeg - Peverley - J. Williams
Omark (Higgins) - Brule - Yip is better than;
Nystrom - Brodziak - Laperierre
Ballard - Burns is better than;
Goligoski - Greene
Giordano - Kulikov is better than;
Pietrangelo - Gunnarson
Cumiskey - Gilroy is WORSE than;
Stuart - Coburn
Latendresse - Vermette - Little is better than;
Stalberg - J Staal - Frolik
Lupul - Backlund - Guerin
Versteeg - Peverley - J. Williams
Omark (Higgins) - Brule - Yip is better than;
Nystrom - Brodziak - Laperierre
Ballard - Burns is better than;
Goligoski - Greene
Giordano - Kulikov is better than;
Pietrangelo - Gunnarson
Cumiskey - Gilroy is WORSE than;
Stuart - Coburn
Joey Moss
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Alright, here's my opinons.
Latendresse - Vermette - Little is better than;
Stalberg - J Staal - Frolik
Lupul - Backlund - Guerin
Versteeg - Peverley - J. Williams
Latendresse is a wildcard, but I always have to tame my excitement when a player underperforms for multiple seasons and then is "rejuvenated" by a change of scenery, especially in a system like Minnesota's (I don't care how many times they say they want to be more of an offensive team, I'll believe it when I see it)
Vermette may very well be a solid sleeper (another 60 point season), or Brassard could supplant him on Nash's line (another 40 point season)
Little slightly increased production after Kovalchuk's departure, so I expect him to be closer (but not quite there) to his 50 point season than his previous season's numbers
All in all I predict:
35P - 45P - 45P with low hit totals and mediocre PP production
For Stalberg - J Staal - Frolik I predict:
35P - 55P - 45P with moderate hit totals and below average PP production, with the wildcard being if Staal gets PP time, his point total could jump to 70 with above average PP output.
For Lupul - Backlund - Guerin obviously you move above this line now that Guerin was cut from the Flyers, but prior to that I was predicting he played with Richards (despite him sucking, but hey, Canon was forced to drag Carcillo around last year) and point totals like this:
45P - 35P - 40P with low hit totals and high PP production
For Versteeg - Peverley - J. Williams I predict:
40P - 40P - 45P with above average hit totals and above average PP production, with the wildcard being if Peverley can prove that his splits last year were a mistake (he did terrible after Kovalchuk left Atlanta), he could increase to 55P, potentially.
Omark (Higgins) - Brule - Yip is better than;
Nystrom - Brodziak - Laperierre
Is Omark even going to make the Oilers?
Brule put up career high totals as a fringe 3rd liner playing on a higher line, but he is going to be back on the 3rd line with Hemsky and Hall taking 2 top 6 spots this year.
Yip is a nice pick, but will most likely have a sophmore slump adjusting to a full NHL season.
All in all I predict:
5P - 25P - 25P with below average hit totals and no PP production, with the wildcard being if Omark is more than just a callup, he could get 10-15 points.
For Nystrom - Brodziak - Laperierre it becomes much closer now that Lappy will likely miss most of the season (if not all), but before his PCS symptoms popped up I would have predicted:
20P - 30P - 20P with good hit totals and no PP production
Ballard - Burns is better than;
Goligoski - Greene
Ballard will have a much better +/- in Vancouver, but will likely see a reduction in PP time with Vancouver's offensively talented Dmen already there, which will offset all the extra second assists he will get from being on a better team.
Burns hasn't had a healthy season in awhile, which is always a red flag for me.
All in all I predict:
30P-25P with moderate hit totals and moderate PP production, with the wildcard being if Burns can put together a full season, his production could jump to 35.
For Goligoski - Greene I predict:
35P-35P with moderate hit totals and high PP production
Giordano - Kulikov is better than;
Pietrangelo - Gunnarson
Giordano is a very solid dman, no doubt about it.
Kulikov will have a bad +/-, and may or may not have a sophmore slump (if you can even do worse than 15 points in 68GP), especially now that Florida lost one of their top offensive threats: Horton and their 2 best puck moving dmen: Ballard and Seidenberg. He may get PP time now, though, just because there may quite litterally be noone else on Florida's roster to put there.
All in all I predict:
30P-20P with moderate hit totals and moderate PP production, with the wildcard being if Giordano can stay healthy (could drop to 15-20P)
For Pietrangelo - Gunnarson I predict:
20P-25P with low hit totals and high PP production, with the wildcard being both of their talent levels - I am very high on both of these young guys, to be honest.
For now; however, until they prove that potential, then you do win this matchup.
Cumiskey - Gilroy is WORSE than;
Stuart - Coburn
Coburn may end up on the 3rd pairing in Philly if he doesn't pull his head from his ass, and will see VERY limited PP time this season, don't expect much offensively from him... and Mark Stuart isn't exactly lighting it up in Boston, either.
On the other hand, I really like Cumiskey, and Gilroy is a servicable 3rd pairing fantasy guy.
Don't sell yourself short.
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James Duthie
Kadri is 3 Hunna
Not to nitpick, I'm honestly curious, what makes you think Matt Greene is going to score 35 points next year?
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