Dahlin or Heiskanen

[Beerz]

Once Dahlin gets a better shot... game over.

He creates so much but he needs to work on that shot. Needs a better wrister and slapper

 

[LemonSauceD]

To be honest...

Heiskanen. At least right now.

That could change in 10 years, but for the time being, Heiskanen without a doubt, imho

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Dahlin was generationally bad in tonight's game though.

 

[Betelgeuse]

1) Does anyone here frequently watch both Dallas and Buffalo games?
2) What metrics are you using to compare the two? (Along with "eye-test" from watching both)
3) Arrive at best estimate.

 

[Oan]

1) Does anyone here frequently watch both Dallas and Buffalo games?
2) What metrics are you using to compare the two? (Along with "eye-test" from watching both)
3) Arrive at best estimate.

I can tell you that no one watches them both frequently, backing the younger 1st overall pick with massive hype in a bigger hockey market is just the more popular opinion in the hive mind of hfboards. Because draft pedigree matters.

 

[Hokinaittii]

I'd take Dahlin, purely because ive never really watched heiskanen play.

This pretty much sums up the thread.

For anyone who has watched the two players, it should be clear that Heiskanen is currently more valuable player. He is already one of the best shutdown D's in the league while still outscoring Dahlin. But that being said, I still see Dahlin having bigger offensive potential, he just really needs to work on his shot power and accuracy for that to happen.

Heiskanen is smarter but Dahlin is more skilled. These two will be trading Norris trophies in their prime. You can't go wrong with either one.

 

[Kcb12345]

He may pass Seguin up in goals. Just 1 behind him now

 

[MrThomas]

Heiskanen of course

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Heiskanen of course

BecUse he scored just now it’s changed to of course, lol.


Goals get too much credit for dmen.

DUMBA led in goals and people were saying he’s a Norris candidate

He may pass Seguin up in goals. Just 1 behind him now

Seguin left for summer vacation like a few weeks ago

 

[Hokinaittii]

BecUse he scored just now it’s changed to of course, lol.

To be honest, he has been scoring for a while now. 9 points in his last 10.

Loved the play in the last minute where he intercepted the pass on a pretty much 1vs3 rush with empty net behind him.

 

[RageQuit77]

Heiskanen's TOI isn't an accident.

There are league half-full of "veteran" forwards who would like have Miro's offensive production.

The best defenseman for an eon coming from Finnish pipeline.

 

[Spotty 2 Hotty]

Goals get too much credit for dmen.

You're right, why do they even bother trying to score in every game, goals aren't worth a damn unless forwards are scoring them.

 

[Oan]

Consider the following: for those saying that it's more impressive what Dahlin is doing since he is 18yr old while Heiskanen is 19yr old, how it is any different from the rookie season of Matthews and Laine? Back then Laine was 18yr old and Matthews was 19yr old, but the consensus was that it didn't really matter. Why it matters now? Age gap between Dahlin & Heiskanen is 9 months, gap between Laine & Matthews is 7 months, so practically the same thing.

 

[Gsus]

Once Dahlin gets a better shot... game over.

Is he going to buy it somewhere with his weekly pocket money or..?

 

[M88K]

Consider the following: for those saying that it's more impressive what Dahlin is doing since he is 18yr old while Heiskanen is 19yr old, how it is any different from the rookie season of Matthews and Laine? Back then Laine was 18yr old and Matthews was 19yr old, but the consensus was that it didn't really matter. Why it matters now? Age gap between Dahlin & Heiskanen is 9 months, gap between Laine & Matthews is 7 months, so practically the same thing.

because it is a reason to discredit a player who has been better.. because people get so offended if there guy isn't the best for some reason

 

[JFG]

BecUse he scored just now it’s changed to of course, lol.

Nah, it’s because he’s Finnish.

 

[Backcheckmonster3]

From what i´ve seen Heiskanen seems to be Dallas most important defenceman, for Buffalo i´d say that has been Ristolainen so far.

 

[Hokinaittii]

Consider the following: for those saying that it's more impressive what Dahlin is doing since he is 18yr old while Heiskanen is 19yr old, how it is any different from the rookie season of Matthews and Laine? Back then Laine was 18yr old and Matthews was 19yr old, but the consensus was that it didn't really matter. Why it matters now? Age gap between Dahlin & Heiskanen is 9 months, gap between Laine & Matthews is 7 months, so practically the same thing.

Not to mention how much better it must be for a defender to develope in Sweden where there are decades of knowledge of developing the best defenders in the world compared to the program which we have in Finland.

The program has been recently getting better in Finland but I'd imagine the difference still being heavily in favor of Sweden's which really should even out the 7 months age difference in development.

And let's not kid ourselves that Dahlin is this your typical lanky 18yo player without some real muscle, I mean otherwise he wouldn't be throwing hits out there like that.

 

[Jugitsu]

Not to mention how much better it must be for a defender to develope in Sweden where there are decades of knowledge of developing the best defenders in the world compared to the program which we have in Finland.

The program has been recently getting better in Finland but I'd imagine the difference still being heavily in favor of Sweden's which really should even out the 7 months age difference in development.

And let's not kid ourselves that Dahlin is this your typical lanky 18yo player without some real muscle, I mean otherwise he wouldn't be throwing hits out there like that.

Lets not pretend that Dahlin is anywhere near reached his physical potential either. He is lanky and doesn't yet look like a full blown athletic pro. He has much room to improve and he will.

BUT neither is Miro anywhere near ready. Even though he has 9 months on Dahlin, Miro looks like a 16-17 years old. He is raw in every sense of the word. Funny that it isn't brought up much.

 

[JustaFinnishGuy]

I could see Heiskanen being better in the short term. But in the long term I take Dahlin for sure (I am a biased Sabres fan, though).

I think Heiskanen is probably further along in his development as a defenseman.

Remember, Dahlin only started playing defense at 13 or 14yrs old. He was a forward before that.

So, if he is this good already, after only 4-5 years, imagine how good he could potentially be in another 4-5yrs...

Both are going to be good for a long time and both teams are thrilled it’s their guy.

That's not how it works

 

[DaJackal]

Now, Heiskanen. But I can't project any longer than that, since Dahlin is very good already and will probably take huge steps during the next offseason.

However, I don't see this question an "AINEC" situation.

 

[Kalamazoo Wings]

From a 30 game sample, I will say Heiskanen would pretty clearly have the better highlight reel.

 

[Slimmy]

Heiskanen is safer and much better defensively. Offensively isn't worse either.

What a load of shit.

 

[Panthaz89]

Consider the following: for those saying that it's more impressive what Dahlin is doing since he is 18yr old while Heiskanen is 19yr old, how it is any different from the rookie season of Matthews and Laine? Back then Laine was 18yr old and Matthews was 19yr old, but the consensus was that it didn't really matter. Why it matters now? Age gap between Dahlin & Heiskanen is 9 months, gap between Laine & Matthews is 7 months, so practically the same thing.

Forwards are almost entirely developed at the top of the draft most of the time...Connor McDavid would of been putting out 100+ point seasons out of the gate if he didn't get hurt his rookie season....Defenseman are entirely different so the comparison is bad.

 

[Slimmy]

He may pass Seguin up in goals. Just 1 behind him now

In that very same game he joins the rush, EK strips him of the puck, sends it the other way and it's a 3 on 1 where Sharks score. If that is evidence of him being less risky and more defensively sound than Dahlin.. The shit that comes out of some posters brains is baffling.