He didn't get nominated for one Hart Trophy or win one Pearson award. I don't get how someone can be labelled generational when neither the writers who follow the sport collectively think he's a top 3 player or their peers recognize them as the best player in the league for any given season. Lidstrom is an all-time great and an elite career with exceptional longevity, but he wasn't generational. I don't think at any point during his career, if you could take any single player in the league to build around it would be Lidstrom. He was always overshadowed by guys such as Hasek, Fedorov (early on), Jagr, Lindros, Forsberg, Crosby, and Ovechkin in that discussion. In Lidstrom's career, Lidstrom got a grand total of 4 first place Hart votes, spread over 3 different seasons.Lidstrom should be considered generational. He's what? Like the 2nd best defenseman in NHL history?
Toews, Gretzky, Orr, Lidstrom, Matthews, Lemieux and?
Who's number 7?
He didn't get nominated for one Hart Trophy or win one Pearson award. I don't get how someone can be labelled generational when neither the writers who follow the sport collectively think he's a top 3 player or their peers recognize them as the best player in the league for any given season. Lidstrom is an all-time great and an elite career with exceptional longevity, but he wasn't generational. I don't think at any point during his career, if you could take any single player in the league to build around it would be Lidstrom. He was always overshadowed by guys such as Hasek, Fedorov (early on), Jagr, Lindros, Forsberg, Crosby, and Ovechkin in that discussion. In Lidstrom's career, Lidstrom got a grand total of 4 first place Hart votes, spread over 3 different seasons.
I'd also say he's behind Orr and Harvey at a minimum. Also most likely behind Shore and Bourque. Then you can start really debating.
Generational to me (and I think it's intended meaning), is that a player is by far the best of their generation or expected to be. It is easily reflected through awards and status league-wide. I don't think it's positional. The only clearly generational defender post-O6 is Orr. For example, the clear-cut generational guys in sports right now are Lebron and Mike Trout. I don't think anyone would dispute those 2 have been the best players in their sport without any debate for a significant time. Now, you get Messi/Ronaldo, Brady/Manning, and Magic/Bird situations where two guys are just dominating their peers to a level that they both have to be considered as such, which is where Crosby and Ovi probably fall into (although, not as clear-cut as those prior examples).
NHL will never ever get a D that is Generational if that means they need to compete with forwards. Will never ever happen again.
I'm not sure how there could be 20 generational players in the league at one time.Hm, Dahlin will be in NHL for at least 15 years. Im just curious, how many "Generational" threads we will see here on Hfboards. Starting to count: 1.
Yeah. Terminology like 'elite' or 'generational' always seem to lead to pages of bickering over what exactly that means. If OP had said that Dahlin would be considered one of the best d-men in the league over the majority of his career, this thread could have actually stayed on topic instead.I wish we could scrap the word generational. He'll be a high end #1 D, let's just leave it there.
Yeah. Terminology like 'elite' or 'generational' always seem to lead to pages of bickering over what exactly that means. If OP had said that Dahlin would be considered one of the best d-men in the league over the majority of his career, this thread could have actually stayed on topic instead.
Yeah, but I think that thread might lead into such a discussion. This one seem to just work its way through the normal bickering about what being generational actually means.That thread wouldn't generate much discussion, though. I don't think there's really any debate to be had over a claim like that. Everyone can see that Dahlin is going to be very, very good. The only real question is just how good --- are we talking about a consistent top 5-10 D in the league over his career, or are we talking about a really historically noteworthy career?
As much as it pains me to say, Dahlin is a generational defensemen. 18 and already a #1 D in the league, perhaps already a top 10 D. In 2 or 3 years he is going to be a monster and as a fan of a team in the Atlantic he terrifies me.
Easily the Calder will be his and he will win many more trophies and sadly.. probably a cup or two.
Toews, Gretzky, Orr, Lidstrom, Matthews, Lemieux and?
Who's number 7?
HAHAHAHAHA Toews and Mattews. really? REALLY? Mattews is great he really is but no... and Toews is long since proven to be a no.Toews, Gretzky, Orr, Lidstrom, Matthews, Lemieux and?
Who's number 7?
Chabot from Ottawa says, hold my beer and I'll hold the Calder