Dahlin is generational.
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Kunta Kinte
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Hedman was supposed to be generational.
Larsson was even better than Hedman, Lidstrom-esque hype, generational, can't miss.
Then it was Ekblad turn...
Now Dahlin..
Doug Harvey was a generational player.
Bobby Orr
Ray Bourque
Lidstrom
Thats it!
You have guys who came close like Pilotte, Potvin, Chelios, Coffey, Robinson... All those new guy will prolly not even reach that 2nd tier list...let alone the first.
Larsson was even better than Hedman, Lidstrom-esque hype, generational, can't miss.
Then it was Ekblad turn...
Now Dahlin..
Doug Harvey was a generational player.
Bobby Orr
Ray Bourque
Lidstrom
Thats it!
You have guys who came close like Pilotte, Potvin, Chelios, Coffey, Robinson... All those new guy will prolly not even reach that 2nd tier list...let alone the first.
He didn't get nominated for one Hart Trophy or win one Pearson award. I don't get how someone can be labelled generational when neither the writers who follow the sport collectively think he's a top 3 player or their peers recognize them as the best player in the league for any given season. Lidstrom is an all-time great and an elite career with exceptional longevity, but he wasn't generational. I don't think at any point during his career, if you could take any single player in the league to build around it would be Lidstrom. He was always overshadowed by guys such as Hasek, Fedorov (early on), Jagr, Lindros, Forsberg, Crosby, and Ovechkin in that discussion. In Lidstrom's career, Lidstrom got a grand total of 4 first place Hart votes, spread over 3 different seasons.
I'd also say he's behind Orr and Harvey at a minimum. Also most likely behind Shore and Bourque. Then you can start really debating.
Generational to me (and I think it's intended meaning), is that a player is by far the best of their generation or expected to be. It is easily reflected through awards and status league-wide. I don't think it's positional. The only clearly generational defender post-O6 is Orr. For example, the clear-cut generational guys in sports right now are Lebron and Mike Trout. I don't think anyone would dispute those 2 have been the best players in their sport without any debate for a significant time. Now, you get Messi/Ronaldo, Brady/Manning, and Magic/Bird situations where two guys are just dominating their peers to a level that they both have to be considered as such, which is where Crosby and Ovi probably fall into (although, not as clear-cut as those prior examples).
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NHL will never ever get a D that is Generational if that means they need to compete with forwards. Will never ever happen again.
Exactly. I’d take Lidstrom on my team over any other player of his era. There was no bigger advantage to a team than having prime Lidstrom on the ice for half the game.
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Bolded looks fine. Number 7 is probably Seabrook though.
I propose the term 'transcendental' for Gretzky, Orr, Mario, and Toews.
That way we can carry on using generational like it's used right now.
That way we can carry on using generational like it's used right now.
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I'm not sure how there could be 20 generational players in the league at one time.
That tells me that there is no generational players.
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Yeah. Terminology like 'elite' or 'generational' always seem to lead to pages of bickering over what exactly that means. If OP had said that Dahlin would be considered one of the best d-men in the league over the majority of his career, this thread could have actually stayed on topic instead.
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That thread wouldn't generate much discussion, though. I don't think there's really any debate to be had over a claim like that. Everyone can see that Dahlin is going to be very, very good. The only real question is just how good --- are we talking about a consistent top 5-10 D in the league over his career, or are we talking about a really historically noteworthy career?
Nithoniniel
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Yeah, but I think that thread might lead into such a discussion. This one seem to just work its way through the normal bickering about what being generational actually means.
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The HF label debates are always so painful to read. Everyone has their own definition of "generational" vs "elite" vs "franchise player" vs "superstar" etc etc. I do it too so I can't talk but it's easier to just talk about the player without needing these cliches.
Dahlin is one of the best 18 year old defensemen to ever play in the NHL... If generational puck poise is a thing, he has it. When you watch him play, you can't tell what his ceiling is. You really can't. If Dahlin, who has been called the best D prospect since the 70's (Potvin), isn't "generational" then there's an argument that there has never been a generational dman in the history of the league not named Bobby. People like to compare Dahlin to Ekblad, Hedman, and Larsson despite scouts and coaches repeatedly saying he was better than them at the same age. It's like comparing Matthews to Nugent-Hopkins, Hischier, and Nash.
Dahlin is one of the best 18 year old defensemen to ever play in the NHL... If generational puck poise is a thing, he has it. When you watch him play, you can't tell what his ceiling is. You really can't. If Dahlin, who has been called the best D prospect since the 70's (Potvin), isn't "generational" then there's an argument that there has never been a generational dman in the history of the league not named Bobby. People like to compare Dahlin to Ekblad, Hedman, and Larsson despite scouts and coaches repeatedly saying he was better than them at the same age. It's like comparing Matthews to Nugent-Hopkins, Hischier, and Nash.
Everyone can continue to argue what it means to be generational. I’ll keep watching Dahlin become the best defenseman in the NHL over the next few years.
I told a leafs fan in the Sabres GDT that Dahlin won’t get the offensive recognition he deserves because of #pointzzz but he’s just as talented offensively as nearly any any player in this league... at 18 and playing defense.
Whatever term you want to use, elite, superstar, generational, Dahlin is going to be a treat to watch for many years — unless he’s playing your team. Similar to McDavid, Karlsson, etc, you watch those guys do what they do and it’s so impressive. Dahlin is the same way.
If you guys want to argue about Dahlin vs Matthews vs McDavid vs [insert your teams best player] go for it. Dahlin is special and regardless of your word preference is going to win many trophies in this league and it’s gojng to happen sooner than people originally thought. He’s was a better prospect than Larsson (lol) and Hedman. Dahlin is probably a top 20 defenseman by the end of the year — if he isn’t already, and almost assuredly is a top 10 defenseman by the end of next season as a 19 year old.
I told a leafs fan in the Sabres GDT that Dahlin won’t get the offensive recognition he deserves because of #pointzzz but he’s just as talented offensively as nearly any any player in this league... at 18 and playing defense.
Whatever term you want to use, elite, superstar, generational, Dahlin is going to be a treat to watch for many years — unless he’s playing your team. Similar to McDavid, Karlsson, etc, you watch those guys do what they do and it’s so impressive. Dahlin is the same way.
If you guys want to argue about Dahlin vs Matthews vs McDavid vs [insert your teams best player] go for it. Dahlin is special and regardless of your word preference is going to win many trophies in this league and it’s gojng to happen sooner than people originally thought. He’s was a better prospect than Larsson (lol) and Hedman. Dahlin is probably a top 20 defenseman by the end of the year — if he isn’t already, and almost assuredly is a top 10 defenseman by the end of next season as a 19 year old.
The problem in this thread is clear: it’s the word “generational.” It’s really dumb and nobody really knows what it means.
I’m just going to enjoy watching Dahlin play and continue to develop hopefully into one of the top D in the league. Isn’t that enough?
I’m just going to enjoy watching Dahlin play and continue to develop hopefully into one of the top D in the league. Isn’t that enough?
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This is a joke........right?
& the 20+ posters who liked it were all joking........right?
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HAHAHAHAHA Toews and Mattews. really? REALLY? Mattews is great he really is but no... and Toews is long since proven to be a no.
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Would be truly remarkable if Chabot won the Calder considering he's not a rookie
Generational Defenceman:
Bobby Orr
Doug Harvey
Ray Bourque
Niklas Lidstrom
Hall of Fame Defencman:
Dennis Potvin
Larry Robinson
Eddie Shore
Red Kelly
Chris Chelios
Paul Coffey
Brian Leetch
Chris Pronger
Scott Neidermayer
Scott Stevens
Al Macinnis
Future Hall of Famers:
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty
Erik Karlsson
Superstar-> Hall of Famer-> Generational
There are only 10-15 Generational Players in 100+ years of Hockey History.
Prediction: Dahlin will be a star player.
Bobby Orr
Doug Harvey
Ray Bourque
Niklas Lidstrom
Hall of Fame Defencman:
Dennis Potvin
Larry Robinson
Eddie Shore
Red Kelly
Chris Chelios
Paul Coffey
Brian Leetch
Chris Pronger
Scott Neidermayer
Scott Stevens
Al Macinnis
Future Hall of Famers:
Duncan Keith
Drew Doughty
Erik Karlsson
Superstar-> Hall of Famer-> Generational
There are only 10-15 Generational Players in 100+ years of Hockey History.
Prediction: Dahlin will be a star player.
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4thlineduster
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For the love of god this “generational” nonsense needs to stop.
Generational is just that, a talent so extreme it is only seen once or so in a generation.
Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Crosby, MAYBE Lindros, and McDavid are the only generational players to have played in the NHL.
Stop confusing elite with generational.
Generational is just that, a talent so extreme it is only seen once or so in a generation.
Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Crosby, MAYBE Lindros, and McDavid are the only generational players to have played in the NHL.
Stop confusing elite with generational.
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