Dahlin is generational.
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Mattilaus
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Would definitely be generational. I can't remember the last time it happened.
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pvr
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Nice post.
Actually, the concept of a “generational” player is a recent invention. The first consensus greatest player probably was Morenz, followed by M. Richard and then quickly Howe. None of them were immediately acclaimed as greatest, but kind of grew into the designation. Orr was proclaimed (the next) greatest (ever) hockey player, perhaps the earliest in his career than ever before. It was that apparent (still the greatest hockey player I’ve ever seen). Gretzky was next, and somewhere during his career, perhaps after Lemieux started playing, “generational” was coined, replacing “greatest”. Howe, Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux. That’s it. For anyone else, it will be the perspective of a career which gets him into the generational discussion, not one or five seasons.
Morenz played so long ago that no one now can reliably place him into the generational category. Most of the other discussed players (now including Richard) fall into the superstar category...Hull, Crosby, Beliveau, Harvey, Borque, Roy, Hasek, etc... Some are a bit more acclaimed than others, but all are below the current big four “generational” players.
Time will tell where Dahlin fits, but he is a very exciting player...a hybrid of sorts on defense much like Orr was.
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This probably seems like nitpicking, but if Hasek isn't a generational goalie, then there's no such thing. He was routinely 3-4 standard deviations better than league average, won 6 Vezinas, was awarded best goalie at the WJC, WC, and Olympics, and is the only goalie in NHL history to win multiple Harts (+ 3 additional top 3 finishes in voting). Not to mention the fact that the way he played the position is something I doubt we'll ever see replicated.
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Luigi Lemieux
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If guys like Chelios, Bourque, Lidstrom are not considered generational, then no dman in the league today is generational.
Imo even Crosby/Ovechkin/Mcdavid are borderline - if you include them you have to add Jagr (5 art rosses), Hasek (6 vezinas), and Lidstrom (7 norris).
The only clear cut generational players are Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Howe.
Imo even Crosby/Ovechkin/Mcdavid are borderline - if you include them you have to add Jagr (5 art rosses), Hasek (6 vezinas), and Lidstrom (7 norris).
The only clear cut generational players are Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Howe.
ManWithNoName
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Crosby, Ovi and McDavid are the only generational players in the league right now.
All other names are just fanboy fantasies.
All other names are just fanboy fantasies.
Kamiccolo
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I disagree. I thought we had agreed Buffalo is allowed Eichel and that is enough for them.
Buffalo has slowly built up a pretty stacked core though being serious again. Not a Risto fan but he was good tonight. Dahlin will be the best D in the league. Eichel is a franchise C.
They need depth and experience right now, and another top pairing D for Dahlin. If Risto is your #3 or #4 you are in good shape.
Oh and a goalie for the future as well. Ulmark I am not sure on him. But the Sabres have taken a step and assuming they can add more quality guys to the roster via the draft in 2-3 years the Sabres will be where the Leafs are.. Or better.
Oh, look! We have discussion about what generational means again!
Just stop.
Just stop.
Chimpradamus
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Well, there you have it folks, no player can be considered generational anymore, unless they haven't played for 30 years or so. Only playing against mostly Canadian talent helps. The term can practically be buried.
BrockLobster
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Easily? (shakes head) not exactly. You're missing out on that guy name Elias Pettersson in Vancouver.
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Todd from Leduc
Connor “The Next Great One” McDavid
There’s only been 5 generationals in the history of pro hockey, McDavid, Gretz, Mess, Howe, Richard.
Lols.
Kid plays rookie year and is allready considered generational as; Gretzky, Howe, and FEW others.
Where does this nonsence come from?
Kid plays rookie year and is allready considered generational as; Gretzky, Howe, and FEW others.
Where does this nonsence come from?
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Todd from Leduc
Connor “The Next Great One” McDavid
Don’t get me wrong he’s a pretty good hockey player but not generational, Sid relies more on hockey sense and hard work, you’re not going to see him be able to streak up the wing, passed the D and deke out the goalie like Connor.
I disagree. I thought we had agreed Buffalo is allowed Eichel and that is enough for them.
Buffalo has slowly built up a pretty stacked core though being serious again. Not a Risto fan but he was good tonight. Dahlin will be the best D in the league. Eichel is a franchise C.
They need depth and experience right now, and another top pairing D for Dahlin. If Risto is your #3 or #4 you are in good shape.
Oh and a goalie for the future as well. Ulmark I am not sure on him. But the Sabres have taken a step and assuming they can add more quality guys to the roster via the draft in 2-3 years the Sabres will be where the Leafs are.. Or better.
Got 3 of 4 top D for the future set imo. Dahlin, Pilut, Risto so ye need 1 more piece.
The only goalie who I think gets seriously discussed is Hasek. He had a legit time period where you could argue he was the best and most valuable player in the league. It was reflected through the awards he won, most specifically Harts and Pearsons.
I would love to hear how Mark Messier is generational and Orr and Lemieux aren't.
