Salary Cap: Dadonov and Hoffman's future in Florida?

[Boothinator]

I agree. Look at the Caps. They were serving it to Ovi constantly. No the PK tries to take him out of the play, but this necessarily creates more rooms for the Oshies, Backstroms, Kuznetsovs and Carlons.

Never bad to have a guy with a great onetimer on one side to keep the PK focused on him - and I think we all agree that Hoff has the best onetimer of all forwards

Ohh for sure that's true but there is also miles between Ovis and Hoffman shot (at least right now). He has the Bjugstad disease and can't hit the net anymore

 

[austropanther]

Ohh for sure that's true but there is also miles between Ovis and Hoffman shot (at least right now). He has the Bjugstad disease and can't hit the net anymore

Hoff has our best onetimer, Ovi for the Caps. Of course both not in the same league. Still the effect is similar on the PK and their PP teammates

 

[IM Clutcm]

It was the same thing with Brandon Pirri. At some point the opposition's PKers just figure it out. He occasionally gets one in.

Never underestimate though the fact that his presence creates room for the others. When the other four PP players capitalize on a regular basis - which the currently do - he is still valuable by just being on the ice (but just as long as he does not screw up at the blue line which has happened far too often this season).

Dads clearly the one to keep IMO because he contributes all the time everywhere on the ice while making less errors

But that's the thing, he still gets those same 4-5 clean looks on the PP per game, he just can't put them anywhere near the target. His shot isn't nearly as accurate anymore.

 

[IceColdOx]

Saw something just on this particular topic. Author says he'd rather keep Daddy. Side note: Daddy is one cool as heck nickname.

Florida Panthers Contract Issues: Evgenii Dadonov or Mike Hoffman

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Things couldn't be tighter between these two outside the goals/assists difference. Same amount of points though, even on the PP as well along with 2 GWG. Both are + players now. Hoff takes too many silly penalties though but he's been the better player of late

 

[Ratsreign]

Things couldn't be tighter between these two outside the goals/assists difference. Same amount of points though, even on the PP as well along with 2 GWG. Both are + players now. Hoff takes too many silly penalties though but he's been the better player of late

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Hoff's effort has noticeably improved since DT stated around the New Year that guys would be moved if things didn't change. And now reportedly Hoff was asked for his no-trade list in December. He's been playing like he wants to stay here.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Hoff's effort has noticeably improved since DT stated around the New Year that guys would be moved if things didn't change. And now reportedly Hoff was asked for his no-trade list in December. He's been playing like he wants to stay here.

Couldn't believe my eyes when he started laying hits and being physical, Q's scowly glare will challenge a man.
A lot less turnovers and he battles near the opposition's net or below the goal-line, all while being a decent playmaker of late.

 

[GermanPanther]

Hoff's effort has noticeably improved since DT stated around the New Year that guys would be moved if things didn't change. And now reportedly Hoff was asked for his no-trade list in December. He's been playing like he wants to stay here.

He wants to play PO, not every other PO Team would be able to eat his Money. But tradeing him while in PO Race is maybe tough to do, but for the PO the right move.
Also as better he plays now, his next contract negotiation will be better, its a win win Situation.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Dadonov is a low IQ hockey player who scores because of his linemates. Hoffman is a better goal scorer. I'll take Hoff for the same price. Dad for 1-2M less

 

[FinlandPanther]

If we can keep Hoff keep him, but dale will lose both because he’s a baboon.

 

[HockeyRulez]

The answer is keep hoffman and either retain Dadonov at a good cap number or trade him

 

[GermanPanther]

Should we be real and straight? Florida cant loose any of them, both are Top 5 Scorer for this Team in to concistent Season. The reason Florida Panthers still win Games and stand up this high is scoreing and depth Scoreing. Aslong we wanna win and have no trade like, Top 6 forward for top 2-4 Defensman. It won´t help this Team.

The Scoreing is the only reason we are still in the Race.

 

[zeroG]

kinda agree with @GermanPanther.

clearly, Q has a preference for hoffman now and it seems we all recognize that he's "the right way" for his role more than dadanov.

but... dadanov has contributed. can we easily replace dadanov? our forward depth is lousy right now.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Bump.
Hoffman is ahead by a couple nose lengths with a 1/4 mile to go.

 

[GrumpyKelly]

Bump.
Hoffman is ahead by a couple nose lengths with a 1/4 mile to go.

If they're asking the same then yeah I guess.

Kreider just got 6.5 million x 7 which is a discount, I'd offer something similar for five years. Or 8 million for four years preferably.

I'm a bit worried about Dads durability, he takes a lot of hits. Hoff is soft but then again he'll last longer and his shot isn't going anywhere.

I guess it comes down to whoever is willing to sign cheaper.

 

[iam76]

Dadonov is a low IQ hockey player who scores because of his linemates. Hoffman is a better goal scorer. I'll take Hoff for the same price. Dad for 1-2M less

I don't agree with calling him low iq.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

If they're asking the same then yeah I guess.

Kreider just got 6.5 million x 7 which is a discount, I'd offer something similar for five years. Or 8 million for four years preferably.

I'm a bit worried about Dads durability, he takes a lot of hits. Hoff is soft but then again he'll last longer and his shot isn't going anywhere.

I guess it comes down to whoever is willing to sign cheaper.

Couldn't have said it better. For me, it's the durability factor you alluded to.
Dadonov plays the rougher role and when you realize Hoffman is producing more off the top line, it's Hoffman for me even more now.

You can get creative with Hoffman's deal but would sleep easier giving him a 4-5 year deal at $7+ million. He can finish on breakaways better as well and has shown the ability to simply shoot the puck, not over passing it.

Also it seems Tallon is trying to collect guys who can shoot first.
Plus we have Barkov, Huberdeau, Borgstrom, Denisenko, Luostarinen who all seem to be pass first guys.

Hoffman, Vatrano, Connolly, Saarela, Tippett can all snipe. Yes the latter two are still unproven but Barkov and Huberdeau are still good for 25ish goals as well.

Hoffman had the team leading point streak last year and highest one as well this year no? Dadonov has disappeared more imo and that's alarming when he gets majority of his time with Barkov and Huberdeau.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Couldn't have said it better. For me, it's the durability factor you alluded to.
Dadonov plays the rougher role and when you realize Hoffman is producing more off the top line, it's Hoffman for me even more now.

You can get creative with Hoffman's deal but would sleep easier giving him a 4-5 year deal at $7+ million. He can finish on breakaways better as well and has shown the ability to simply shoot the puck, not over passing it.

Also it seems Tallon is trying to collect guys who can shoot first.
Plus we have Barkov, Huberdeau, Borgstrom, Denisenko, Luostarinen who all seem to be pass first guys.

Hoffman, Vatrano, Connolly, Saarela, Tippett can all snipe. Yes the latter two are still unproven but Barkov and Huberdeau are still good for 25ish goals as well.

Hoffman had the team leading point streak last year and highest one as well this year no? Dadonov has disappeared more imo and that's alarming when he gets majority of his time with Barkov and Huberdeau.

I'd add that the top6 is still too soft to play against. Even Barkov is way too easy to brush off from the puck, leaving a serious need for some meat 'n potatoes kinda guy to create some extra space via pure strength and big hits. Count me as being a tad on the old school-side but I think a championship quality team needs a guy like Tom Wilson or Dustin Brown to create some havoc.

Since Dadonov doesn't seem to get it going with anywhere else than in the 1st line, that inability will play in when deciding who's going to get an extension with the Cats.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'd add that the top6 is still too soft to play against. Even Barkov is way too easy to brush off from the puck, leaving a serious need for some meat 'n potatoes kinda guy to create some extra space via pure strength and big hits. Count me as being a tad on the old school-side but I think a championship quality team needs a guy like Tom Wilson or Dustin Brown to create some havoc.

Since Dadonov doesn't seem to get it going with anywhere else than in the 1st line, that inability will play in when deciding who's going to get an extension with the Cats.

I hear ya. Maybe trade for Saad in offseason, Q knows him well. Get CHI to retain some of that 6 mil caphit? He does have a modified NTC that kicks in next year.
He's a UFA right before expansion draft and has 19 goals in 51 games. Needs to perform to get a new deal we may or may not pay for at 28 yrs old.

Acciari does bring some grit to it on top line but not skilled enough. Maybe Vatrano?
I do like Tippett with Barkov eventually though, feel those two will click, passer and shooter, both are bigger guys who can take some punishment and can work down low if need be.

 

[panthersdu67]

Wrote this in the Yotes- Panthers GDT thread, but asked to repost it here so :

Has everyone who's saying we should hand Hoffman the big bucks, and get rid of Dad, forgotten how both players started this year ?

68 definitely picked up his game for a while now, going as far as being defensively sound most of the time, throwing the body from time to time and passing the puck effectively, but come on, no one can't forget how much of a defensive liability and lack of effort he was showing for the first chunk of the season. Has he found his true game now ? Can he sustain this play for several years to come ? Or is he just doing his best to land a big juicy deal and will turn back to how he used to play (a one trick pony) once the big bucks are "inked" ?

On the other hand Dadonov is definitely on a cold streak, but let's be honest here, the whole "HBD" concept is. None are playing like they did for the 50+ first games of the season. And during most of these games 63 really hustled and played with some effort (sometimes even grit) unlike many others on this team. His current under performing play shouldn't shadow what he's brought during the rest of the season so far. Plus he got 4 points in the last 4 games he didn't play with 11 and 16 so maybe Q should just think about putting Acciari back on the first trio (or try Saarela ?).

In essence, I would like to be able to keep both. Getting rid of MM (throwing in a pick and/or retaining) and somehow Yandle (threaten to brake the ironman thing) would probably clear enough cap space for that, wouldn't it ?

 

[GrumpyKelly]

Wrote this in the Yotes- Panthers GDT thread, but asked to repost it here so :

Has everyone who's saying we should hand Hoffman the big bucks, and get rid of Dad, forgotten how both players started this year ?

68 definitely picked up his game for a while now, going as far as being defensively sound most of the time, throwing the body from time to time and passing the puck effectively, but come on, no one can't forget how much of a defensive liability and lack of effort he was showing for the first chunk of the season. Has he found his true game now ? Can he sustain this play for several years to come ? Or is he just doing his best to land a big juicy deal and will turn back to how he used to play (a one trick pony) once the big bucks are "inked" ?

On the other hand Dadonov is definitely on a cold streak, but let's be honest here, the whole "HBD" concept is. None are playing like they did for the 50+ first games of the season. And during most of these games 63 really hustled and played with some effort (sometimes even grit) unlike many others on this team. His current under performing play shouldn't shadow what he's brought during the rest of the season so far. Plus he got 4 points in the last 4 games he didn't play with 11 and 16 so maybe Q should just think about putting Acciari back on the first trio (or try Saarela ?).

In essence, I would like to be able to keep both. Getting rid of MM (throwing in a pick and/or retaining) and somehow Yandle (threaten to brake the ironman thing) would probably clear enough cap space for that, wouldn't it ?

I'd rather let both go then pay them something close to UFA money. These +30 UFA contracts have been brutal the last few years and almost guaranteed to backfire.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

I hear ya. Maybe trade for Saad in offseason, Q knows him well. Get CHI to retain some of that 6 mil caphit? He does have a modified NTC that kicks in next year.
He's a UFA right before expansion draft and has 19 goals in 51 games. Needs to perform to get a new deal we may or may not pay for at 28 yrs old.

Acciari does bring some grit to it on top line but not skilled enough. Maybe Vatrano?
I do like Tippett with Barkov eventually though, feel those two will click, passer and shooter, both are bigger guys who can take some punishment and can work down low if need be.

I'd take a look at some moneyball options... maybe Iafallo would be one to take a gamble at. 37pts this season, 26yo, current contract end in the next season with $2.5mil. imo much better option than Dadonov at ~$6mil.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Daddy is easier to replace on the top line, as that is the only place he produces. If Hoffman had an actual center on this team he may be a PPG guy. 6.5 -7 is a great deal.

Frankie V holds the fort until Tipp/Deni are ready for top 6 time.

 

[RogerRoger]

I'd rather let both go then pay them something close to UFA money. These +30 UFA contracts have been brutal the last few years and almost guaranteed to backfire.

With the bad contracts we have, we can't afford to overpay for (another) PP specialist in Hoffman. Also, it seems to me that Q wants guys that are hard to play against more than "primarily skilled guys" and a guy like Fast would fit that perfectly.
It will be an interesting offseason for sure, who we add might not even be as impactful as who we ship out.

 

[pantherbot]

I've been a hoffman defender, but even I'm wary about signing him to a longer-term contract. He has his uses for sure, but I wouldn't want a contract longer than 4 years, maybe 5 years if the money is right. He stepped it up recently with the threat of getting moved and contract negotiations coming up, but he seems to be a guy who perform's best when there's pressure. Once he signs his big contract, will he still give us this same effort? I'm not so sure.