OT: Covid-19 (Part 21) Come Together

[scrubadam]

We don't know yet if you are immune or not, still not enough information on that. But, mostly likely, it seems like you do maintain at least a bit of immunity following a period of infection.

If we knew for sure that would be on every front page.

Nah the media is more into negative stories.

The case of immunity is pretty much closed, we get it. South Korea says their reinfections were not new virus and that there is immunity. Beth Israel did a study on monekys, gave them the virus and then challanged them once it cleared and they didn't get infected again.

Now consider that this virus has been going around for 4-6 months have we have not heard of one real actual case of someone getting reinfected and I would have to say immunity is pretty much 99%. And most likely its at least 6 months but hopefully 1 or 2 years or maybe even longer.

 

[Braun]

I think at some point Legault said any death coming from CHSLDs is automatically counted as COVID related. Not sure but for some reason I have this in my head.
He definitely did say though the way they counted the cases was assuming anyone showing symptoms who's been in contact with someone positive was right away classified as positive as well.

I think at some point Legault said any death coming from CHSLDs is automatically counted as COVID related. Not sure but for some reason I have this in my head.
He definitely did say though the way they counted the cases was assuming anyone showing symptoms who's been in contact with someone positive was right away classified as positive as well.

Sounds right. I’m just saying that, at this stage, it’s pointless to compare our numbers with the others if they aren’t even based on the same sets of data.

 

[King Makar19]

thats quite interesting
3months formation 21$/hr
then 26$/hr working


honestly for a public work. that's really good

its a joke. Wayyyy tooo much. They have no buget no responsability etc....

Problem is 50.70% of PAB are lazy as f***.... absolute farce to pay them that much...next a Nurse making 75$ an hour after a DEC....

 

[scrubadam]

Does it really matters how many deaths in the last 24Hrs?

I hate when Legault used that excuses lately cause they tried to make it look better to save their asses…..
Only 39 deaths today, great day
Well, there's 85 deaths today but only 48 in the last 24hrs, so it's not bad

Which mean, the "great day" of 39 deaths was not a great day after all cause those uncounted deaths comes from someday which look good back then.

Quebec has now 497 deaths per millions people
USA has 304 deaths per millions people

Can't get out of my head that Legault said in the beginning of this pandemic that they should be judge by the number of deaths and not the numbers of cases. Well, we're one of the worst place in the world

And the blame lies squarly on Legault and Plante because the only reason our death per millions is so high is because of the situation in the CHLSD and other residences.

Montreal is one of the worst cities, but if you take out our old age homes we drop way down. 80% of our deaths are in these homes.

Quebec is doing so bad by the numbers for 1 reason, and thats because the leadership had their heads up their asses and didn't do the most important thing during this pandemic.

And they aren't the only to blame, 50% of deaths in EU are in LTC, USA its 30-40%, and we just heard from the military about what happened in Ontario. This was a world wide phenomenon. Thats what happens when you don't see the forest through the trees.

 

[Kriss E]

Let's hope you are encourage.....500-600 cases a day means 50,000 minimum in the next 3 months (Told you that) if the numbers of cases doesn't drop. We'll see.

That is a pointless prediction. It's really just a math equation, means nothing. Our numbers have already been declining for over a week.

 

[Braun]

its a joke. Wayyyy tooo much. They have no buget no responsability etc....

Problem is 50.70% of PAB are lazy as f***.... absolute farce to pay them that much...next a Nurse making 75$ an hour after a DEC....

If no one wants to do a job you need to attract them somehow. I’m fine with it, it’s pretty clear that we can’t go through this crisis again so if we don’t learn from it now we never will.

 

[Lshap]

Nah the media is more into negative stories.

The case of immunity is pretty much closed, we get it. South Korea says their reinfections were not new virus and that there is immunity. Beth Israel did a study on monekys, gave them the virus and then challanged them once it cleared and they didn't get infected again.

Now consider that this virus has been going around for 4-6 months have we have not heard of one real actual case of someone getting reinfected and I would have to say immunity is pretty much 99%. And most likely its at least 6 months but hopefully 1 or 2 years or maybe even longer.

To add to your point, if re-infection was a real risk, why haven't we heard a single case of a doctor, nurse or health worker getting it twice?

 

[King Makar19]

If no one wants to do a job you need to attract them somehow. I’m fine with it, it’s pretty clear that we can’t go through this crisis again so if we don’t learn from it now we never will.

Problem is the structure is just brutal....fix it....and paying huge salary for incompetence is the worse thing you could do. Now the équité salariale is f***ed..... every1 will ask for $$$$$ becuz of bad mgment.

 

[Braun]

Problem is the structure is just brutal....fix it....and paying huge salary for incompetence is the worse thing you could do. Now the équité salariale is f***ed..... every1 will ask for $$$$$ becuz of bad mgment.

I agree, they need to fix a lot of things. Management is CHSLD’s seems either very very poor or non existent.

 

[peate]

Did you break into the car of one of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills?

Yeah, the desperate one.

 

[waffledave]

To add to your point, if re-infection was a real risk, why haven't we heard a single case of a doctor, nurse or health worker getting it twice?

I fully believe you have some sort of immunity, but nothing has been proven yet, that's all.

 

[scrubadam]

I fully believe you have some sort of immunity, but nothing has been proven yet, that's all.

Whats the proof you are waiting for?

 

[OnTheRun]

Whats the proof you are waiting for?

You need to know the level of antibodies needed and how long it last. That's how you "prove" immunity.

 

[Seb]

To add to your point, if re-infection was a real risk, why haven't we heard a single case of a doctor, nurse or health worker getting it twice?

Immunity could be for life as much as it could be for only a few months. You could be infected in the first wave, be immune for a short time then get infected in the 2nd wave.

We simply don't know...

 

[waffledave]

Whats the proof you are waiting for?

I need to see data, from multiple sources, and peer-reviewed studies. I need to see consensus on the subject from multiple high ranking scientific bodies, health authorities, disease specialists, etc...

Proof means it should be a repeatable observation. There isn't enough data out there to get to this point yet.

 

[Karma Police]

SpaceX first 2 astronauts ready to launch today. This is a live feed. It's in joint with NASA. Historic day for space travel as it will advance the commercial possibilities of space travel.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I mean..I'm pretty sure there are rulebreakers everywhere, including in SF.
Most people would respect this, I don't see why not. I went to Westmount park on sunday and it was pretty much that. Just make the circles a little bigger to allow more friends to be together and you're good.
In NDG yesterday, people respecting distancing while in line at Starbucks and DQ.
Grabbed an iced latte from Starbucks, they allow one person at a time to come in where they meet you behind a plexiglass screen by the entrance. They take your order, your card/cash, go in...come back with receipt and drink. Half the people were wearing masks outside in line.

People and businesses are not as careless as you seem to think.

My wife works at Bureau En Gros and the last week before they opened, they were setting up all of the arrows on the floor, plexiglass for cashiers, and all of the things they needed to do to prepare for the opening. So like you say, businesses and people are not as careless.

There are those who don't, and that is everywhere. But overall, my personal experiences have been reassuring. There are two parks next to my house and even if you see a lot of people, a closer look and you see good distance between them. If I'm driving or taking a stroll in the area, I see more people wear masks than before. And any time I was taking a walk, people would move and not be careless about it.

That is my personal experience. I have yet to personally witness and experience anyone being careless about it.

 

[scrubadam]

I need to see data, from multiple sources, and peer-reviewed studies. I need to see consensus on the subject from multiple high ranking scientific bodies, health authorities, disease specialists, etc...

Proof means it should be a repeatable observation. There isn't enough data out there to get to this point yet.

Well we have the South Koreans

South Korea experts say ‘reinfected’ coronavirus cases appear to be false positives

And in their research they also did not find a single case which where the virus was passed to another person after someone recovered.

We also have a peer reviewed study done by Beth Israel on Monekys. Monkeys do not equal humans but its some very encouraging news

SARS-CoV-2 infection protects against rechallenge in rhesus macaques

They do warn that Monkeys do not equal humans and more test need to be done.

But so far 6 months into the pandemic we have yet to have one proven case of someone being reinfected. I guess the only way we can prove that immunity can last for years is to wait for years to pass. So right now we can say we have immunity for at almost 6 months, and as time goes by we can add to that counter.

 

[Harry22]

To add to your point, if re-infection was a real risk, why haven't we heard a single case of a doctor, nurse or health worker getting it twice?

I think it is pretty clear that there is, at the very least, short term immunity. Because this is such a new virus (first cases were five months ago), we do not know how long immunity lasts. It could be 3 months, 6 months, 1 year or a lifetime. It will be important for scientists to get a good understanding of the immunity for a potential vaccine.

 

[OldCraig71]

Businesses getting the green light to reopen here in NS on June 5th but with restrictions, Hair salons, bars, restaurants etc..

 

[Milhouse40]

That is a pointless prediction. It's really just a math equation, means nothing. Our numbers have already been declining for over a week.

Do you expect the numbers to decline a lot the way this reopening is being done, the way people behave and listen to the "rules"?
Maybe they will decline, i really hope so....My city had a rise of about 2 to 4 cases a day pretty much since the beginning. We open before Montreal, 51 new cases in the last 4 days.

 

[groovejuice]

We've now reached 20 days with no new confirmed cases here in NL. We currently have 2 active cases with 1 in hospital and 1 at home recovering.

While this is great news the province received some terrible news yesterday with the loss of 4 crab fishermen to the sea. They have recovered 3 of the fishermen who were all from the same family (father, son, and nephew) while the other fishermen is still missing. Condolences to all affected.

An awful tragedy.

 

[groovejuice]

I agree, they need to fix a lot of things. Management is CHSLD’s seems either very very poor or non existent.

It's not just the management. The government oversight seems invisible, or worse, collaborative.

 

[Milhouse40]

And the blame lies squarly on Legault and Plante because the only reason our death per millions is so high is because of the situation in the CHLSD and other residences.

Montreal is one of the worst cities, but if you take out our old age homes we drop way down. 80% of our deaths are in these homes.

Quebec is doing so bad by the numbers for 1 reason, and thats because the leadership had their heads up their asses and didn't do the most important thing during this pandemic.

And they aren't the only to blame, 50% of deaths in EU are in LTC, USA its 30-40%, and we just heard from the military about what happened in Ontario. This was a world wide phenomenon. Thats what happens when you don't see the forest through the trees.

True....we have a problem.
The problem is cause by years of cheap out in these place and loose regulations.
But at one point, can we fix the problem?

Other places had fix the problem.

 

[Kriss E]

My wife works at Bureau En Gros and the last week before they opened, they were setting up all of the arrows on the floor, plexiglass for cashiers, and all of the things they needed to do to prepare for the opening. So like you say, businesses and people are not as careless.

There are those who don't, and that is everywhere. But overall, my personal experiences have been reassuring. There are two parks next to my house and even if you see a lot of people, a closer look and you see good distance between them. If I'm driving or taking a stroll in the area, I see more people wear masks than before. And any time I was taking a walk, people would move and not be careless about it.

That is my personal experience. I have yet to personally witness and experience anyone being careless about it.

Ya same..even during confinement, I would go out at least 3x per week to either SAQ or IGA or SQDC or fill up gas, etc...I've never seen much negligence. The only place I would say was Adonis where it was just packed and disorganized but that was back in end of March-early April.
Since we reopened, I went around shops more. I'm really not worried when I go out because I see every store with new measures and people being respectful, even more and more wear masks as you mentioned.
So I think things should be fine...at least for the areas I visit.