OT: Coronavirus XXXIV: As 2021 Approaches, Hopefully The Worst Is Behind Us

[Dorian2]

But correctional services workers are afforded top pay, top healthcare, benefits, time off, sick pay, yada yada. They are union backed and well able to most successfully endure, cope with such hardship. They are also able to live in at least middle class abode and have really good security of ongoing employment.

Care home workers have none of the above, in many instances, are on their own, and often living in crowded or cheap accomodation, due to poor pay and job benefits and less job security.

I mean if we're making argument on behalf of employees the Care homes, residents, staff, should still be first served. Some jurisdictions have reported that 75% of the deaths have occurred in Care home facilities. These are people handling the brunt and worst of the covid pandemic, for the least pay. Give them something.

Part of my point is that care homes are able to facilitate client help and movement on a more rapid basis than that of a secure system like a jail. But my point certainly isn't construed from any specific experience or knowledge of how either system works. I think my point has some validity considering the assumed security protocols involved in each type of institution. And trust me, everything I'm posting on this is directly opposed to my own personal ethics on the situation. Just trying to make some semblance of sense of it.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

COVID-19 vaccine: Guidance on the prioritization of initial doses - Canada.ca

COVID-19 Cases and Deaths in Federal and State Prisons

600 elderly inmates in Canada (a small fraction of the total amount) are being grouped with the elderly in long-term care homes as part of a pilot program under NACI. A panel of experts who have access to the latest data have classified the inmates as high risk individuals because of their age, health condition, and living conditions using "evidence-informed preliminary guidance." As a result, NACI determined that the inmates should be prioritized with every other high risk individual in Canada. Yes, I trust a panel of vaccine experts who decided that they should be vaccinated concurrently with the >160k elderly and health care workers being vaccinated to this point; not before, as certain posters are attempting to frame my argument.

Like I said originally, the members of NACI do not have an easy job and they are going to piss off a lot of people no matter what they decide.

I would've vaccinated all of the workers there and had no in person visits and used the other vaccines for others outside of the prison. Should be hard to get them sick other than people from outside of the prison coming in for repairs.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Part of my point is that care homes are able to facilitate client help and movement on a more rapid basis than that of a secure system like a jail. But they certainly aren't construed from any specific experience or knowledge of how either system works. I think my point has some validity considering the assumed security protocols involved in each type of institution. And trust me, everything I'm posting on this is directly opposed to my own personal ethics on the situation. Just trying to make some semblance of sense of it.

Having done some work at a jail and also having a relative that at the time of his mom's death was in jail and came to her funeral in hand cuffs and leg chains and escorted by a ton of ACO's or cops (can't remember which), I can say that it is definitely harder for people to go in and out of jails. That said typically when we would do work other than the prisoners that were helping the maintenance workers, the rest of the prisoners were isolated away from us. Some would call out to us, some were guys that I grew up with saying what's up, etc. but they were far enough away that covid wouldn't have been a threat. That's only 1 jail and I really haven't visited nursing homes but that's my $0.02 on the subject.

 

[nabob]

I would've vaccinated all of the workers there and had no in person visits and used the other vaccines for others outside of the prison. Should be hard to get them sick other than people from outside of the prison coming in for repairs.

Common sense has entered the thread.


Especially since I can’t go out on a skating rink with a buddy right now, why should inmates get social gatherings (visits). My dad can’t go visit his mom in the LTC right now, don’t think criminals should get visitors either. And if they cry that’s an infringement on their rights, then aren’t all the lockdowns imposed on the non incarcerated portion of society also an infringement on their rights?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Common sense has entered the thread.


Especially since I can’t go out on a skating rink with a buddy right now, why should inmates get social gatherings (visits). My dad can’t go visit his mom in the LTC right now, don’t think criminals should get visitors either. And if they cry that’s an infringement on their rights, then aren’t all the lockdowns imposed on the non incarcerated portion of society also an infringement on their rights?

The only thing that I'd say to this is that not all inmates are equal. I flat out said to the inmates there that I have no respect for rapists and pedo's. I didn't GAF who liked it at who didn't. Some of them are just guys that made 1 bad decision that any of us could've done and maybe did do but didn't get caught!

 

[AM]

COVID-19 vaccine: Guidance on the prioritization of initial doses - Canada.ca

COVID-19 Cases and Deaths in Federal and State Prisons

600 elderly inmates in Canada (a small fraction of the total amount) are being grouped with the elderly in long-term care homes as part of a pilot program under NACI. A panel of experts who have access to the latest data have classified the inmates as high risk individuals because of their age, health condition, and living conditions using "evidence-informed preliminary guidance." As a result, NACI determined that the inmates should be prioritized with every other high risk individual in Canada. Yes, I trust a panel of vaccine experts who decided that they should be vaccinated concurrently with the >160k elderly and health care workers being vaccinated to this point; not before, as certain posters are attempting to frame my argument.

Like I said originally, the members of NACI do not have an easy job and they are going to piss off a lot of people no matter what they decide.

"Yes, I trust a panel of vaccine experts"

Its amazing how much faith scientifically inclined people have for groups set up by politicians.

Its almost like they are the same faith.

 

[rboomercat90]

Update: Got vaccinated. Added bonus, they have a better cable package here than I have at home.

How big of a rock was needed? I want to know if I can do it myself or if I should get help.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

How big of a rock was needed? I want to know if I can do it myself or if I should get help.

It must break the glass. I heard it is also in good form to wrap a nasty note around it. Something around donuts and stuff.

 

[bellagiobob]

How big of a rock was needed? I want to know if I can do it myself or if I should get help.

Started out with a fairly small rock. Barely made a crack. Then I noticed a sign on the window that read ''To be eligible for the vaccination you need to fully break the window, and then swear at us a little bit, but not too much." So got a bigger rock, cuzzed a bit, and now am good to go.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

COVID-19: Workers in COVID-19 units added to vaccine priority list | Edmonton Journal

 

[ThePhoenixx]

'A tough pill to swallow': Edmonton business owner reacts to extended health measures | Edmonton Sun

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Someone flies in from abroad and brings the new strain of Virus from Africa, but we need to stay home.

Variant of COVID-19 found in South Africa reported in Alberta: Dr. Deena Hinshaw | Edmonton Sun

 

[bellagiobob]

COVID-19: Workers in COVID-19 units added to vaccine priority list | Edmonton Journal

Gonna be some pissed off inmates. So now apparently Kenney is in hiding. Last week he was speaking too much. Did a presser yesterday and a FB session the night before, and is all over twitter. He's not hiding very well.

 

[harpoon]

how many prisoners have died of Covid compared to seniors or people who have contracted the virus from it being spread by healthcare workers who are exposed to it all day, everyday while at work?

There is a right answer.

Well said. Furthermore, if lockdowns actually worked, one would have to look no further than the prison system for a shining example of the policy in action.

It’s kind of strange that people want to make the vaccination of prisoners (however old and vulnerable) a moral issue. It’s not. Nobody is suggesting that prisoners be deprived of the opportunity to take the vaccine if they are so inclined - after everyone else who wants to take it has been vaccinated. If government policies like restrictions and lockdowns work to stem the spread of the virus then prison should be one of the safest places to be. Vaccinate the guards and no problem. There’s no moral equivocation necessary.

 

[nabob]

 

[oobga]

Someone flies in from abroad and brings the new strain of Virus from Africa, but we need to stay home.

Variant of COVID-19 found in South Africa reported in Alberta: Dr. Deena Hinshaw | Edmonton Sun

oh god damn it. Isn’t that the strain that could have a protien change that current antibodies don’t work against? Some moron brought it here already...sigh.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

oh god damn it. Isn’t that the strain that could have a protien change that current antibodies don’t work against? Some moron brought it here already...sigh.

Covid-19 Vaccines Expected to Work on South Africa Coronavirus Strain

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Australia locks down city of 2 million over a single case of new COVID variant

 

[harpoon]

My kids don't contribute to society. My 90 year old grandmother living in an old folks home doesn't pay tax and doesn't really benefit society any more

A truly unbelievable comment. Your 90 year old grandmother paid taxes for fifty years. I assume since you exist she also raised children. Who knows how many people she gave a helping hand to over the course of her life. Do the elderly get no credit for past service?

 

[ThePhoenixx]

A truly unbelievable comment. Your 90 year old grandmother paid taxes for fifty years. I assume since you exist she also raised children. Who knows how many people she gave a helping hand to over the course of her life. Do the elderly get no credit for past service?

Isn't he a lawyer?

He will die on this hill. Lawyers are paid to never admit wrongness.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Started out with a fairly small rock. Barely made a crack. Then I noticed a sign on the window that read ''To be eligible for the vaccination you need to fully break the window, and then swear at us a little bit, but not too much." So got a bigger rock, cuzzed a bit, and now am good to go.

Not sure how I didn't immediately get the followup to the earlier joke, haha, distracted with other convos.

 

[oilers'72]

There's no hard data on how may inmates have been released in North America. The best I can find is 6000 in Canada and 170K in the States.

Provincial jails released thousands of inmates amid calls to slow the spread of COVID-19

Judges release growing number accused of violent crimes due to COVID-19 fears

This link gives a later count (October 28th) but the story goes into an angle instead of delving into the data.

Oops. Forgot the 3rd link:
Mass release of U.S. inmates sets up test of 'decarceration' movement

 

[Dorian2]

Not to open a can of worms.....

Maybe they're using the inmates as Guinea Pigs to make sure there are no unknown side effects. Might sound far fetched but......wouldn't want to barge into somebody else's theory if it's out there.

I've had a toke and a couple of Rum's. Be easy.

 

[nabob]

Not to open a can of worms.....

Maybe they're using the inmates as Guinea Pigs to make sure there are no unknown side effects. Might sound far fetched but......wouldn't want to barge into somebody else's theory if it's out there.

I've had a toke and a couple of Rum's. Be easy.

I have heard theories that there have been worse things done with vaccines in the past. So I’m sure this theory is out there somewhere.

 

[harpoon]

Not to open a can of worms.....

Maybe they're using the inmates as Guinea Pigs to make sure there are no unknown side effects. Might sound far fetched but......wouldn't want to barge into somebody else's theory if it's out there.

I've had a toke and a couple of Rum's. Be easy.

The ‘like’ was for the toke and the rum ... definitely not for your wacky conspiracy theories.