OT: Coronavirus XVI: Hey Covid-19, Piss Off Already

[PerformanceMcOil]

Poster admits to strawman, has admitted to it before, continues to engage, continues to expect me to reply. Thats about as much as you're getting unless you want to apologize.

So you are sure I am misunderstanding what you meant, but won't explain it?

 

[doulos]

The public nature of comments is going to mean people have to get smarter about not saying their stupid stuff in public, because it isn't going to get better. Or, alternatively, when you do say something stupid, own it and try to be better.

 

[CycloneSweep]

 

[CycloneSweep]

The public nature of comments is going to mean people have to get smarter about not saying their stupid stuff in public, because it isn't going to get better. Or, alternatively, when you do say something stupid, own it and try to be better.

I've been told my old life from the older generation that if I want more, pull up my bootstraps and get to work making more money.

My message to people? Time to pull up your bootstraps and work hard on being a better person and not saying hurtful offensive shit. Learn, work, succeed.

 

[bellagiobob]

IMO this is a weak stance. Last I saw California is getting hit hard and they are far from a Trump state. IMO at some point people have to take accountability for their own actions. Natural selection used to be a thing, if this virus were more lethal then a lot of people that are being very careless would get hit hard. I know that its the status quo to crap on the US, however what I read here for the most part Hawaii is far ahead of Alberta in terms of mask usage. I see people saying 50% in stores with a mask on, here on Maui its easily in the 90th percentile and is a surprise/rarity to see someone without a mask. People here tend to value their elders deeply as with the elders comes knowledge, experience, respect and for many working families, child care. When mask use was not a thing, I wrapped a shirt around my face when shopping. I dont need the government to tell me to breathe, chew when I eat or wipe my ass. I have a brain to think for myself ans so does everyone else that lives in a country where that doesnt amount to imprisonment or a bullet in your head.

You guys are doing way better than we are. 50% may be right in the odd store like Costco where they hand out masks and encourage you to wear one. Most stores don't offer masks, and most people don't wear one. I would say overall that 10% would be on the high side for the percentage of people wearing masks indoors in these parts. In general those not wearing a mask are good people, but guessing that the fear level of the virus isn't there for them at this point. And people don't want to stand out, and right now wearing a mask puts you in the minority, and people stare at you. It will likely take a government 'suggestion' that mask use indoors is 'mandatory' for the majority of people to start wearing one.

 

[Drivesaitl]

How are those made up titles. She is a specialist of inclusion. She is an advisor on gender sensitivity. Hockey Player is a made up title to by that odd logic.

If you can't understand how those are made up job descriptions I can't help you here. To almost anybody they are made up job titles. They serve no useful, beyond PC, purpose. Half the time they are f***ing up like the sensitivity specialist that raked Lindsay Shepherd over the coals for citing a "Nazi" in class. You can look that one up.

The specific problem with these job titles is that they are so zeitgeist in time aligned. They are only assigned, only exist, in deference to the latest we must do something about this missive. They don't exist with specific educational precursors, knowledge, training. They exist largely as jumped into positions by those that have a background. Its a new endeavor.

In Edmonton we had a whole inclusion team that became a lobby group for inclusion at any costs. We had a bunch of parents of children with excessive school problems that were in the inclusion team BLAMING schools, administrators for basically anything. One of these parents had a teen child who shit all over himself and smeared it all over himself and the walls and who stormed into the school incensed that this was the schools fault for putting her kid in a time out room. One of the problems might be objectivity and the very difficult thing it is for a parent to recognize difficulties in their child.

Myself I might think a kid predisposed to covering himself and everything else in shit might be a difficult inclusion. What do I know, I've only been in those schools and facilitated part of the very difficult, verging on impossible job that it is.

The dynamic difficulty is that we had an inclusion team made up largely of frustrated parents telling long established teachers in specialized classrooms what their job was and exactly how to do it. So that the expertise in that dynamic was flipped over. Too bad for the teachers that made years of educational sacrifice to become teachers, that spent years of teaching getting to the specialization required of them working in challenging classrooms. It could be sobering for some of those parents to take a step back and think that maybe they don't have all the answers despite of what their pin on badge from a cereal box states.

Inclusion is a noble concept, I get that, idealistically it seems the right thing. In practice it can seem like something else entirely.

 

[CycloneSweep]

If you can't understand how those are made up job descriptions I can't help you here. To almost anybody they are made up job titles. They serve no useful, beyond PC, purpose. Half the time they are f***ing up like the specialist that raked Lindsay Shepherd over the coals for citing a "Nazi" in class. You can look that one up.

The specific problem with these job titles is that they are so zeitgeist in time aligned. They are only assigned, only exist, in deference to the latest we must do something about this missive. They don't exist with specific educational precursors, knowledge, training. They exist largely as jumped into positions by those that have a background. Its a new endeavor.

In Edmonton we had a whole inclusion team that became a lobby group for inclusion at any costs. We had a bunch of parents of children with excessive school problems that were in the inclusion team BLAMING schools, administrators for basically anything. One of these parents had a teen child who shit all over himself and smeared it all over himself and the walls and who stormed into the school incensed that this was the schools fault for putting her kid in a time out room. One of the problems might be objectivity and the very difficult thing it is for a parent to recognize difficulties in their child.

Myself I might think a kid predisposed to covering himself and everything else in shit might be a difficult inclusion. What do I know, I've only been in those schools and facilitated part of the very difficult, verging on impossible job that it is.

Inclusion is a noble concept, I get that, idealistically it seems the right thing. In practice it can seem like something else entirely.

Everything is a made up position that's created out of a need with no education to start. Computer experts started with no education in computers because there was none at the time.

You keep going on tangents cause you are offended by things. Maybe take your own advice and stop being offended. It's just words bro. /S

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[PerformanceMcOil]

I've been told my old life from the older generation that if I want more, pull up my bootstraps and get to work making more money.

My message to people? Time to pull up your bootstraps and work hard on being a better person and not saying hurtful offensive shit. Learn, work, succeed.

The ironic thing is that most of the backlash is effective because of capitalism. If JKR was some nobody, her comments would get quickly lost in the sands of time. The backlash is only impactful, if/because it caused people to vote with their wallets. Same with Facebook. They clearly are adjusting their stance on hate speech, because being open to all viewpoints is costing them billions. Similarly, when decided their original policies, I'm sure cost/benefit financially was the primary consideration, not any fundamental care about freedom of speech. Racists losing their jobs? Also because their employers fear for lost income in the current environment.

So yeah, success in the current market now requires not being overtly 'ist'. And it isn't government driving this change.

 

[doulos]

I don't know, as stated earlier, I think JK Rowling has figured this stuff out. She doesn't back down, but defends herself, and understands that largely folks will move on after a time. Now, she's also in a unique position where she can do that, being incredibly wealthy and not employed by anyone really, so an odd case for sure.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Everything is a made up position that's created out of a need with no education to start. Computer experts started with no education in computers because there was none at the time.

You keep going on tangents cause you are offended by things. Maybe take your own advice and stop being offended. It's just words bro. /S

Not offended at all. You asked, I explained. If you take the time to read it you could discern the reply.

Heres a thing. Policing is hell right now. Possibly the worst occupation to be in. Because everybody tells you how to do your job, what your job should be, even if it should be, while throwing rocks and spitting at you.

But every "expert" in the riot crowd is texting about how inappropriate X officer is being and they shouldn't be doing any of that.

Many parents storming into schools telling trained teachers how or even if they should be teaching their children.

We're living in an upside down world.

Someday in your work environment some "sensitivity training expert" will come into your office, place of work telling everybody that's been doing the job for decades that you're doing it all wrong, I'm the expert, listen to me you dinosaurs"

When that happens maybe you'll think of me questioning that level of expertise, because I'm immune.

 

[doulos]

If I end up killing people in my current job, through my own violence, then I sure hope someone comes in and tells me I am doing it wrong. I'll deserve it.

 

[joestevens29]

Not offended at all. You asked, I explained. If you take the time to read it you could discern the reply.

Heres a thing. Policing is hell right now. Possibly the worst occupation to be in. Because everybody tells you how to do your job, what your job should be, even if it should be, while throwing rocks and spitting at you.

But every "expert" in the riot crowd is texting about how inappropriate X officer is being and they shouldn't be doing any of that.

Many parents storming into schools telling trained teachers how or even if they should be teaching their children.

We're living in an upside down world.

Someday in your work environment some "sensitivity training expert" will come into your office, place of work telling everybody that's been doing the job for decades that you're doing it all wrong, I'm the expert, listen to me you dinosaurs"

When that happens maybe you'll think of me questioning that level of expertise, because I'm immune.

I suspect there is going to be less of that going forward. I think parents are going to start looking at things a little differently when either the teacher calls them or their kids complain about the teacher.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Not offended at all. You asked, I explained. If you take the time to read it you could discern the reply.

Heres a thing. Policing is hell right now. Possibly the worst occupation to be in. Because everybody tells you how to do your job, what your job should be, even if it should be, while throwing rocks and spitting at you.

But every "expert" in the riot crowd is texting about how inappropriate X officer is being and they shouldn't be doing any of that.

Most parents storming into schools telling trained teachers how or even if they should be teaching their children.

We're living in an upside down world.

Someday in your work environment some "sensitivity training expert" will come into your office, place of work telling everybody that's been doing the job for decades that you're doing it all wrong, I'm the expert, listen to me you dinosaurs"

When that happens maybe you'll think of me questioning that level of expertise, because I'm immune.

If my employer decides we need a sensitivity expert then clearly we are doing something that needs change.

I'll listen, take what they are saying seriously and implement it how I can to my occupation. Like all course I have to take, I like the opportunity to learn.

I guess learning and growing is bad?

Edit: and I mean yeah, when cops current methods are only increasing protestors, someone should be telling them they are doing it wrong, they are doing a terrible job

 

[Drivesaitl]

I suspect there is going to be less of that going forward. I think parents are going to start looking at things a little differently when either the teacher calls them or their kids complain about the teacher.

I hope you're right but I doubt it. One of the easiest ways to remove any authority or ability to teach of a teacher, or school, is a parent to storm in there and raise Cain. Which is so so common. Usually its the same or similar hockey parents yelling at officials, just in another venue.

But schools and schoolboards are forced into attending to, and complying with wishes of those angry barrels. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

But we're living in a world that has stripped down authority, that wants limited authority (it thinks) and then blows out the doors in Seattle shutting down a precinct, completely taking over an area and complete with murder, mayhem, several shootings, rapes, etc, which the mayor calmly declared the fun "Summer of love"

strange times.

 

[joestevens29]

If my employer decides we need a sensitivity expert then clearly we are doing something that needs change.

I'll listen, take what they are saying seriously and implement it how I can to my occupation. Like all course I have to take, I like the opportunity to learn.

I guess learning and growing is bad?

We've already had a lot of that training the past few years at my work.

Started with mental health and has since expanded. Teaching people about the eagle, bunny and beaver and how to deal with each type.

 

[joestevens29]

I hope you're right but I doubt it. One of the easiest ways to remove any authority or ability to teach of a teacher, or school, is a parent to storm in there and raise Cain. Which is so so common. Usually its the same or similar hockey parents yelling at officials, just in another venue.

But schools and schoolboards are forced into attending to, and complying with wishes of those angry barrels. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

But we're living in a world that has stripped down authority, that wants limited authority (it thinks) and then blows out the doors in Seattle shutting down a precinct, completely taking over an area and complete with murder, mayhem, several shootings, rapes, etc, which the mayor calmly declared the fun "Summer of love"

strange times.

I don't know too many parents that didn't want to kill their kids during this whole covid thing. Until you actually have to do something you might now understand what people go through.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I don't know too many parents that didn't want to kill their kids during this whole covid thing. Until you actually have to do something you might now understand what people go through.

I have noticed the whole "teachers are over paid" talks have all but vanished

 

[Drivesaitl]

If my employer decides we need a sensitivity expert then clearly we are doing something that needs change.

I'll listen, take what they are saying seriously and implement it how I can to my occupation. Like all course I have to take, I like the opportunity to learn.

I guess learning and growing is bad?

Edit: and I mean yeah, when cops current methods are only increasing protestors, someone should be telling them they are doing it wrong, they are doing a terrible job

Learning is great. Grown is largely artifice and conceit. Myself I'd be more inclined to think that journey is a path more than a destination. One that we never really get to. Like "woke". Guess what. Several wokes exist in life, and usually with different mindsets, perspectives, chapters, filters, perceptions, occurring as people age.

Someone inferring they are woke is as offensive as virtue signalling, and of course the same doing it. Not saying you.

 

[joestevens29]

I have noticed the whole "teachers are over paid" talks have all but vanished

I've never had a beef with teachers salaries. I only have a beef when they complain that they are underpaid.

I mean a quick 30 second google search will tell you exactly how much you should expect to make. If you don't like it then why get into it.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Learning is great. Grown is largely artifice and conceit. Myself I'd be more inclined to think that journey is a path more than a destination. One that we never really get to. Like "woke". Guess what. Several wokes exist in life, and usually with different mindsets, perspectives, chapters, filters, perceptions, occurring as people age.

Someone inferring they are woke is as offensive as virtue signalling, and of course the same doing it. Not saying you.

Life is a path. Absolutely. There are those who walk down their path, see a detour sign and take it. Others see the detour sign and go "How dare you tell me where to walk, what's next?!", Ignore the sign and end up running into some poison ivy and falling in a hole, then getting mad that someone dare put that hole there.

Edit: you have other younger walkers see the older walker wal saying hey, try these new shoes they have great arch support and will make your walk way more comfortable and the young person gets brushed aside and told "I've been walking longer than you, I know what shoes are what!" And then 5 minutes later gets a foot cramp and blame the young person for slowing them down causing the foot cramp

 

[CycloneSweep]

I've never had a beef with teachers salaries. I only have a beef when they complain that they are underpaid.

I mean a quick 30 second google search will tell you exactly how much you should expect to make. If you don't like it then why get into it.

Some people love children and teaching. I agree if you don't like the pay don't get into it however teachers wages have been stagnant in a lot of places for a long time and they are not even getting cost of living increases. That's why a lot are complaining

 

[joestevens29]

Life is a path. Absolutely. There are those who walk down their path, see a detour sign and take it. Others see the detour sign and go "How dare you tell me where to walk, what's next?!", Ignore the sign and end up running into some poison ivy and falling in a hole, then getting mad that someone dare put that hole there.

But that's how the best social media videos are made

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Drivesaitl]

I don't know too many parents that didn't want to kill their kids during this whole covid thing. Until you actually have to do something you might now understand what people go through.

Reframing that positively, heh, theres a whole other kind of families "getting to know each other real well during these times"

On a more serious level Childrens Services activity and investigation has nearly ceased during this trying time and with even attempts at interventions often being on the phone, skype or some such contacts.

Theres going to be a whole lot of digging out from under on when all this is done. But there won't be a lot of money either left to help families or kids. In sum theres going to be a lot less that we can really protect in society in bankrupt times. We want idealism, we want no harm, but wrongdoing and far worse will always exist out there.