Coronavirus discussion thread (no political debates) V

[ACC1224]

Let the millennials and gen x ers be free, lock down the boomers.

lol...descriptions seem spot on.

 

[4thline]

lol...descriptions seem spot on.

If you go meta enough I agree!
The cognitive dissonance it takes to contradict oneself and label team player a strength and "less collaborative" a weakness is spot on, and the egotistical way of only having cons that are "less" of a positive quality while throwing pure negatives at others reeks of the self aggrandizingboomer world view. It's a truly piercing and insightful piece of art.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I have no issues with opening the the supply chain (that happened a while ago). My only issue is with opening indoor bars/restaurants at this time. The bars in particular are going to be a problem. I hope I'm wrong.

Yes it is going to be a problem ... flip side is what are we gonna do with thousands of these bar/restaurants and their workers across province? No rent being paid. No mortgage getting paid. No wages being earned. Is it possible that they become a relic? I don't have da answers on this one. Personally I frequent them so I have saved quite a bit of $$$ past few months not going to them. But opening them with COVID on da loose means prime time spreading.

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[Clark4Ever]

Yes it is going to be a problem ... flip side is what are we gonna do with thousands of these bar/restaurants and their workers across province? No rent being paid. No mortgage getting paid. No wages being earned. Is it possible that they become a relic? I don't have da answers on this one. Personally I frequent them so I have saved quite a bit of $$$ past few months not going to them. But opening them with COVID on da loose means prime time spreading.

If it was up to me, I would keep indoor bars and restaurants closed in all regions of the country that still have community spread, and extend the CERB benefit and rent subsidy program for individuals that are affected.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

so what's your solution? just have the government do nothing and let the virus spread?

my plan isn't to lock everyone in their homes forever. just keep the lockdown going until we don't have any more cases. then we can go back to more or less a normal life.

I do think the government was hasty in moving to Stage 3 so quickly. I personally would not want to go eat at a restaurant indoors or go sit in a movie theatre right now.

But no matter what lockdowns the government puts in place, it won't control the actions of others. You'll still have a bunch of people in their 20s partying with no care in the world -- until one of them or a family member gets it as a result. There will be those cramming bars now.

Ontario has been on a good trend lately, but I will not be the least bit surprised things creep back up again where things open up indoors and people are aching to take advantage of it.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If it was up to me, I would keep indoor bars and restaurants closed in all regions of the country that still have community spread, and extend the CERB benefit and rent subsidy program for individuals that are affected.

I agree... it will be tough very tough on a lot of these people especially in GTA but we have to think of greater good on this one .. $2K just does not cut it in GTA to live off of .. people are using their credit cards to pay bills and survive on top of CERB

 

[moon111]

I agree... it will be tough very tough on a lot of these people especially in GTA but we have to think of greater good on this one .. $2K just does not cut it in GTA to live off of .. people are using their credit cards to pay bills and survive on top of CERB

The GTA doesn't make a lot of sense for many. Why live there, when you can get paid the same with cheaper living costs elsewhere? My last employer is really looking at how well things actually worked out when they shut things down and sent people to work from home. There was cost and time saving for both employer and employee. Hell I wonder how many people in Toronto could
sell their house, buy something bigger and better and live a comfortable retirement right now? Why suffer both economically and health-wise pack together like sardines

 

[Slot]

first question... what do you do if the hospitals get overrun? Just start turning people away? Tell them the hospital is full, and they're on their own? If you just let the virus spread without trying to stop it... will the hospitals just be permanently at max capacity for the foreseeable future?

second question... if we go with your plan... will the virus still be circulating in 5 years, or in 10 years, or even longer?

And how many mutations will it have gone through making a vaccine like the flu vaccine, whack a mole. Contain the spread to limit the possibilities of as many mutations as we can and vaccinate.

 

[Slot]

I don't know. We need to call Japan up, 120m people and 998 deaths. How do they do it? Are you not curious? Last time I looked Japanese subway / rail is still packed like a sardine can as always.

The wars part... Just read up on all the Carrier movements and different border spats kicking up. I think Taiwan is legit worried about being invaded for instance and the US has a lot of vessels in South China Sea.

Anyways, my take is call Japan up and do everything they do. They are handling it the best obviously.

Real simple, after the farce played out with the Olympic Games they masked up. There is already a huge mask culture there, whenever you're feeling ill wear a mask.

 

[thewave]

Real simple, after the farce played out with the Olympic Games they masked up. There is already a huge mask culture there, whenever you're feeling ill wear a mask.

I don't care about wearing a mask to shop. It's no big deal, I play by the rules and most of this stuff I was saying way back, including protect the elderly which didn't happen so much. Really upset at the Fed gov and Ontario health minister.

 

[Polaris1010]

The GTA doesn't make a lot of sense for many. Why live there, when you can get paid the same with cheaper living costs elsewhere? My last employer is really looking at how well things actually worked out when they shut things down and sent people to work from home. There was cost and time saving for both employer and employee. Hell I wonder how many people in Toronto could
sell their house, buy something bigger and better and live a comfortable retirement right now? Why suffer both economically and health-wise pack together like sardines

Working from home probably is not a long term solution.

It probably is just a stop gap solution.

Either everyone returns to the office, or the robots replace them.

My thinking would be working from home means more automation.

More automation in the long run requires less workers.

 

[HolyCrap]

but the virus is still spreading... it hasn't even really hit many areas yet.

wait until our normal cold/flu season and cases in the US will go up even more.

So just shut the Country down for a few years. The government can print all the money it wants. Canada has all the money and resources in the world. It’s not like we’re all not rich and need to work. We know the rest of the worlds countries will do the same and eradicate the virus because if they don’t do the same we will just stay hibernated for longer.

 

[HolyCrap]

If it was up to me, I would keep indoor bars and restaurants closed in all regions of the country that still have community spread, and extend the CERB benefit and rent subsidy program for individuals that are affected.

I would first stop the migrant workers coming here and then fill those positions with suitable CERB applicants. Folks like myself are tired of paying everyone’s vacation. The amount of jobs lost by keeping places closed longer is going to crush this economy. It could be years from now.

 

[Jojalu]

In hand A you have go with herd immunity and open up. Preserve the life you know and probably love along with the properties you own. SWEDEN has done well, Japan better etc.

In hand B you keep closed or closing for every scare and destroy the economy, small business and your lifestyle. Perhaps save some lives or vs Japan, they have 1000 deaths in 120 million sooo? Likely most people forfeit their homes and full blown socialism / communism is rolled out. Universal income and a new dollar system.

Sweden has not done a good job at all. They are 5th in the world for deaths per million and all the latest studies have them no where near herd immunity.

Japan has done a fantastic job. One reason is they don't have a large percentage of the population who argues about wearing a mask. They were wearing them from the beginning of the outbreak. They also protect their elderly much better. They pour their resources into contact tracing and ensure people actually isolate if they test positive.

 

[thewave]

Sweden has not done a good job at all. They are 5th in the world for deaths per million and all the latest studies have them no where near herd immunity.

Japan has done a fantastic job. One reason is they don't have a large percentage of the population who argues about wearing a mask. They were wearing them from the beginning of the outbreak. They also protect their elderly much better. They pour their resources into contact tracing and ensure people actually isolate if they test positive.

Well, seems like a no brainer then. Japan is setting the example for the world. Contact tracing stops working after a certain point though, but very effective when you are on top of things. Had my parents wearing a mask in mid Feb, they said people looked at them funny. I also shipped them Quercetin and Zinc and told them to take daily recommended dose of Quercetin (800mg) + 50mg Zinc with Vitamin C high dose at the first signs of sore throat, loss of smell or flu/cold like symptoms.

I know a doctor has a similar protocol in place posted on the web. Give it a look.

 

[Slot]

I don't care about wearing a mask to shop. It's no big deal, I play by the rules and most of this stuff I was saying way back, including protect the elderly which didn't happen so much. Really upset at the Fed gov and Ontario health minister.

Protection is best done by a lockdown. Ontario dropped the ball by allowing health care workers to work at multiple locations thereby exacerbating the risk of spread amongst vulnerable populations.

The worst bit was the mixed messaging on masks from the WHO on down. I get in the early days that they wanted to protect supplies of medical equipment for medical staff but the continuation of the no mask messaging beyond the time frame where it was blindingly obvious from other countries that masks worked to cut down spread rate and that wasn't just a Canadian thing.

 

[mikeo1]

Working from home probably is not a long term solution.

It probably is just a stop gap solution.

Either everyone returns to the office, or the robots replace them.

My thinking would be working from home means more automation.

More automation in the long run requires less workers.

Or outsourcing to India. If you can do your job from Branford, maybe someone else can do it from Mumbai.

 

[Nineteen67]

Protection is best done by a lockdown. Ontario dropped the ball by allowing health care workers to work at multiple locations thereby exacerbating the risk of spread amongst vulnerable populations.

The worst bit was the mixed messaging on masks from the WHO on down. I get in the early days that they wanted to protect supplies of medical equipment for medical staff but the continuation of the no mask messaging beyond the time frame where it was blindingly obvious from other countries that masks worked to cut down spread rate and that wasn't just a Canadian thing.

The mask I see people wearing don’t do much to stop the spread of an aerosolized virus like this.

 

[Slot]

The mask I see people wearing don’t do much to stop the spread of an aerosolized virus like this.

Unless they're wearing it wrong any mask that contours to the face is extremely effective.

 

[Nineteen67]

Unless they're wearing it wrong any mask that contours to the face is extremely effective.

Cloth, non surgical. Most would be more effective pulling their shirt over their face as it won’t do anything in a poorly ventilated area.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

The GTA doesn't make a lot of sense for many. Why live there, when you can get paid the same with cheaper living costs elsewhere? My last employer is really looking at how well things actually worked out when they shut things down and sent people to work from home. There was cost and time saving for both employer and employee. Hell I wonder how many people in Toronto could
sell their house, buy something bigger and better and live a comfortable retirement right now? Why suffer both economically and health-wise pack together like sardines

The demise of cities is a strange concept to grasp for me. I don’t live in the big city any longer but just absolutely love it when a large group of us would head for Toronto for indy or drinking or drinking lol. Seriously though it’s a hard concept to accept.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Working from home probably is not a long term solution.

It probably is just a stop gap solution.

Either everyone returns to the office, or the robots replace them.

My thinking would be working from home means more automation.

More automation in the long run requires less workers.

Exactly another conceptual change that is coming rather quickly.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I would first stop the migrant workers coming here and then fill those positions with suitable CERB applicants. Folks like myself are tired of paying everyone’s vacation. The amount of jobs lost by keeping places closed longer is going to crush this economy. It could be years from now.

That foreign worker program is a joke. They don’t even genuinely advertise for these low skill jobs any longer. They say they do but just fast track workers in. Our college,University and high school students aren’t even getting a crack at them jobs. The McDonalds etc jobs are held full time etc.
That program is disgusting and detrimental to our students getting jobs. I would do-the work while on cerb definitely and have fun doing it. Its a terrible program that needs major change.

 

[Slot]

Cloth, non surgical. Most would be more effective pulling their shirt over their face as it won’t do anything in a poorly ventilated area.

That is absolutely wrong. 3 layer cloth masks are as effective as surgical and n95 masks.