OT: Coronavirus 4 - or is that thread 2.75?

[Svechhammer]

I don't plan to be a part of the first wave of people getting the vaccine, but I'm not going to be last. I'm just esthetic that it looks like we have a viable treatment that works. Just being able to do that should really help us get back to normal, because you will be able to strategically target hotspot areas to absolutely cut this virus off at the knees. You won't need everyone vaccinated for things to start going back to normal, as long as you have the ability to go on the offensive and fight this virus where the infections are happening.

For the first time in a very long while, I feel like things at this point next year are going to be 'normal'. Today's announcement gives a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't plan to be a part of the first wave of people getting the vaccine, but I'm not going to be last. I'm just esthetic that it looks like we have a viable treatment that works. Just being able to do that should really help us get back to normal, because you will be able to strategically target hotspot areas to absolutely cut this virus off at the knees. You won't need everyone vaccinated for things to start going back to normal, as long as you have the ability to go on the offensive and fight this virus where the infections are happening.

For the first time in a very long while, I feel like things at this point next year are going to be 'normal'. Today's announcement gives a light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't know if getting a facial or chemical peel is a good idea right now, at least until there's a viable vaccine.

 

[MinJaBen]

For the first time in a very long while, I feel like things at this point next year are going to be 'normal'. Today's announcement gives a light at the end of the tunnel.

I'd advise you to expand your times scale there...

 

[AD Skinner]

a e s t h e t i c

 

[Svechhammer]

I'd advise you to expand your times scale there...

My bar for 'normal' right now is a lot lower than it was this time last year.

I do have a feeling that by this time next year, if this vaccine proves to be viable, that you'll see a lot of these social distancing mandates relaxed, especially if we are able to mass produce the treatment. If that 90% number proves to be true, it surpasses the 70% rate that Fauci said we needed to feel comfortable about where we are heading.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

My bar for 'normal' right now is a lot lower than it was this time last year.

I do have a feeling that by this time next year, if this vaccine proves to be viable, that you'll see a lot of these social distancing mandates relaxed, especially if we are able to mass produce the treatment. If that 90% number proves to be true, it surpasses the 70% rate that Fauci said we needed to feel comfortable about where we are heading.

I think that's the key. If this Pfizer vaccine does indeed turn out to be viable, and 90% (or even 70%) effective at preventing the virus, then how quickly and affordably it can be made available to the mass population is the key as @Novacane posted earlier (from the 60 minutes piece).

That said, 90% is incredible and seems almost too good to be true for a 1st time vaccine. Aren't Flu vaccines usually 40-60% effective?

 

[Lempo]

That said, 90% is incredible and seems almost too good to be true for a 1st time vaccine. Aren't Flu vaccines usually 40-60% effective?

With this reported figure, they will get us to chip in.

 

[Lempo]

For the first time in a very long while, I feel like things at this point next year are going to be 'normal'.

I don't know if I should be happy or sad, but today again I realized my life hasn't really changed at all. I squirt some complementary hand disinfectant from a push-can or autonatic dispenser when going to a store, and I have had a couple of lay-off days from work, and a greater number of NPCs are dressing up like ninjas, but that's about it.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I don't know if I should be happy or sad, but today again I realized my life hasn't really changed at all. I squirt some complementary hand disinfectant from a push-can or autonatic dispenser when going to a store, and I have had a couple of lay-off days from work, and a greater number of NPCs are dressing up like ninjas, but that's about it.

Don’t apologize for living a life that has happened not to be affected much. You can be grateful, and simultaneously acknowledge that others haven’t been as fortunate, without feeling bad about it.

It’s weird that anyone WOULD feel guilty about that.

Of course, we’re in weird times so ...

 

[ONO94]

I think that's the key. If this Pfizer vaccine does indeed turn out to be viable, and 90% (or even 70%) effective at preventing the virus, then how quickly and affordably it can be made available to the mass population is the key as @Novacane posted earlier (from the 60 minutes piece).

That said, 90% is incredible and seems almost too good to be true for a 1st time vaccine. Aren't Flu vaccines usually 40-60% effective?

Not really on the effectiveness part--as long as you have a relatively "stable" disease people are being vaccinated for--like the measles. When administered correctly, that vaccine is 97% effective. The flu on the other hand, keeps mutating and can come from different vectors (pigs or birds) which makes it just a guessing game what is going to be around in any given year.

 

[Svechhammer]

Not really on the effectiveness part--as long as you have a relatively "stable" disease people are being vaccinated for--like the measles. When administered correctly, that vaccine is 97% effective. The flu on the other hand, keeps mutating and can come from different vectors (pigs or birds) which makes it just a guessing game what is going to be around in any given year.

And this is why Denmark is scrambling right now to eradicate their mink population and quarantine anyone who has any contact with it or contact with anyone who has contact with them. The Pfizer vaccine would supposedly be ineffective against this mutation, which is bad news.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Not really on the effectiveness part--as long as you have a relatively "stable" disease people are being vaccinated for--like the measles. When administered correctly, that vaccine is 97% effective. The flu on the other hand, keeps mutating and can come from different vectors (pigs or birds) which makes it just a guessing game what is going to be around in any given year.

That’s a good point about “guessing” on which strain of the flu will be prevalent in any given year reduces effectiveness.

I still think 90% is remarkable for a virus that is essentially less than a year old. Granted, there are similarities with other coronavirus strains and science has evolved tremendously. Measles was around for a hundred years before a vaccine was developed, and even the initial vaccine was subsequently modified.

from what I’ve read, most “experts” seem surprised by the 90% effectiveness so early on in development.

I hope it holds to be true though. We could use some positive news on that front.

 

[Lempo]

And this is why Denmark is scrambling right now to eradicate their mink population and quarantine anyone who has any contact with it or contact with anyone who has contact with them. The Pfizer vaccine would supposedly be ineffective against this mutation, which is bad news.

Well, the stated reason at least. Denmark's decision has some implications to Finland too, and a bigwig in the Finnish Fur Industry Association has suggested there's political gaming behind the Denmark policy: Denmark has already been ending their fur industry by 2024, and according to the bigwig it's very political with some hoping for speeded-up schedule on that.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

I’ll chime in.

If it’s the Germans doing it... there are only two outcomes.
German nation doesn’t make small mistakes.

 

[Lempo]

4 reasons for encouragement based on Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine results

Specific good news from the good news is that:

1) The Pfizer vaccine targets the spike protein, "the knobby protrusion on the SARS-CoV-2 virus that allows the virus to attach to and invade human cells, initiating infection". Apparently most/all vaccines under development also target the spike protein. So that approach for Covid vaccine development got validated.

2) The Pfizer vaccine is a mRNA vaccine, and there are others under development, so that platform gets validated too.

 

[Lempo]

Don’t apologize for living a life that has happened not to be affected much. You can be grateful, and simultaneously acknowledge that others haven’t been as fortunate, without feeling bad about it.

It’s weird that anyone WOULD feel guilty about that.

Of course, we’re in weird times so ...

Guilt has nothing to do with it. I'm just questioning my life choices and my general quality of life, if I can just matrix-dodge a global pandemic without any effort and little to none changes. Other people are feeling like caged animals, banned from their nightlife and spinning and concerts, and I'm like Ralph Wiggum with my finger up my nose.

Obviously I'm but one factory closure news away from utter devastation.

 

[Lempo]

Denmark cancels the killing of minks:

Denmark drops plans for mass mink cull after Covid mutation fears

( I don't think the Swedish activist Benny Andersson is the ABBA Benny Andersson. Sweden got Benny Anderssons like NHL got Sebastians Aho.)

 

[MinJaBen]

He also says the preservation temperature of -34 Celsius of Pfizer vaccinations may be a factor that will raise the price of the vaccination (storage & distribution).

I know I pointed this out yesterday, but it has been bothering me and after looking around and talking to some experts, where did you get this temperature, and are you sure it is Celcius? Everything I've read is that mRNA vaccines need to be stored at -94F or -70C. They can last about 24 hours at 34-42F, but storage requirements are going to be at the numbers I gave previously.

 

[Lempo]

I know I pointed this out yesterday, but it has been bothering me and after looking around and talking to some experts, where did you get this temperature, and are you sure it is Celcius? Everything I've read is that mRNA vaccines need to be stored at -94F or -70C. They can last about 24 hours at 34-42F, but storage requirements are going to be at the numbers I gave previously.

"Pfizerin rokotteiden säilytyslämpötila on 34 pakkasasteessa toisin kuin monilla muilla valmistajilla niiden."

"The storage temperature for Pfizer vaccines is 34 sub-zero degrees unlike many other manufacturers those. (sic)"

https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000007609342.html

Celsius was assumed in between Finn prof and Finn reporter, we don't do Fahrenheit at all in Finland. The idea was that the coldness needed means more costs.

But the reporter may have messed up everything else too while he messed up his sentence.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

One of our patients, a nice old lady with an oncological diagnosis and tracheostomy, told me that I am nice, I am going to be a good doctor, and may I show them what for and what I got.
Ladies and gentlemen, that last part sounds like Vengeance.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So looks like the governor is scaling back on size of gatherings due to large increases in infections and hospitalization.

also see that Michigan State coach Izzo tested positive,

 

[raynman]

I think I’ve mentioned it before but you’d never know there was a pandemic in eastern NC.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Notre Dame not letting folks go home for Thanksgiving unless they test negative after storming the field after the Clemson game

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Notre Dame not letting folks go home for Thanksgiving unless they test negative after storming the field after the Clemson game

Wasn’t the ND President in attendance for the White House party when Coney Barrett was confirmed (or announced, can’t remember)? A big deal was made that he hadn’t worn a mask, etc.

I think this is a major reason why there is resistance to various measures taken. Too much of “rules for thee and not for me.” Small businesses closed but Walmart essential. Etc etc.

Anyways, I hope Cooper’s new measures don’t mean that local hockey is cancelled. The kids have been really good about the rules and as far as we’ve been told, no “outbreaks” or anything like that.

 

[MinJaBen]

Wasn’t the ND President in attendance for the White House party when Coney Barrett was confirmed (or announced, can’t remember)? A big deal was made that he hadn’t worn a mask, etc.

You are correct, sir.