Claude Giroux & The Hall

[LordNeverLose]

Gatekeeper to the hall is Pierre Turgeon.

I think if that's the case then Dale Hunter is never coming close to the hall

 

[983 others]

Why would Stanley Cup wins help his cause? Everyone always says it's a team game, so players don't get any credit for winning them.

 

[unknown33]

Why would Stanley Cup wins help his cause? Everyone always says it's a team game, so players don't get any credit for winning them.

Great strawman. Keep it up.

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

A span of 5 good seasons does not warrant a HOF bid.

He's had a severe decline last season and he's not even 30. He's closer to a buy-out than the HOF.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Claude go stand in "The Hall" while we discuss how overpaid you are

 

[blankall]

No cups.

Not a single individual trophy. He had 2 seasons where he played above a PPG pace. He is not HOF material.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

This thread is insulting to the Hall of Fame.

Giroux is a good player, not a great player, leave it at that. We don't typically see many forwards really "breaking out" at 30+ years old and drastically increasing their scoring...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Players like Pierre Turgeon, Jeremy Roenick, Keith Tkachuk, Doug Weight, etc. had similar careers (if not better) to Giroux, and none of them are in the HoF despite ending up with pretty good career totals.

So unless Giroux does something remarkable to separate himself from those guys (ie. win multiple Cups, win a Hart or Art Ross, etc.) before he retires, I just don't see it.

 

[Brian McDavid]

1 cup and 1000 points. Which is unlikely.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I saw this thread, as a big Giroux fan, and went:

"Oh Lord..."

Easy answer: He'd need to suddenly score 300 goals in next 6 years, or win 3 Cups and produce 60+ points a year doing it.

 

[CanadianSniper]

He's my favorite player and even I know he doesn't really have a chance.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

the same was said about kariya, recchi, and andreychuk

Kariya was worthy. I don't think the other two are.

But that's the HOF for you.

 

[Oddbob]

Based on current performance, I say he doesn't come close. He would have to win a cup or two for sure, and a lot more points. To me he is similar to how I view Toews in the HOF. I don't see either with a pace similar to their current performance, getting into the Hall. For example: I love Zetterberg, but very likely he doesn't make it in, with less than 1000 pts and more than 1000 GP. Right now Giroux, Toews, and number of other really good players right now, will likely not make it in, unless the HOF standards go quite a bit down.

 

[Oddbob]

he'll probably need about $20 CDN, which is the going rate for admission at the HHOF at the moment.

This is great, and winner of the thread!

He needs to regain the form of his first 5 seasons in the NHL. If he does that and the Flyers become a steady cup contender with a cup or two along the way then he will definitely be in consideration. Really who from the last 8-10 seasons except

Kane
Toews
Keith
Doughty
Crosby
Malkin
Price ??
Karlsson??

are locks for the Hall of Fame (not counting the Mcdavid era). I'm sure I'm forgetting some really good players but sure fire locks for the Hall?

Why are the bolded ones HOF locks? Toews has three cups, but is well under a 1000 points, and he seems to be trending downwards the past 1 or 2 seasons. Doughty hasn't done enough to be in HOF consideration yet. Even Kane and Keith aren't locks, as winning 3 Cups doesn't guarentee you a spot. In Keith's case there are number of really good defenceman who haven't made it in yet, so he could easily not make it. The only ones on your list who are guaranteed, are Crosby and Malkin. Price has to keep adding to his win totals and maybe add a cup or more hardware to get in.

 

[TheTechNoir]

For 5 years he was injured less than all the players better than him. That's pretty much all that happened. No trophy for being decent for 5 years.

Uhhhhhh.

I was with you for the first part; Crosby, for example, most definitely would have had more points if he didn't suffer injuries.

Second part. What? "Decent" is the adjective you are going by here?
So, what about all the rest of the league who wasn't injured, or were injured but also not as good as him? You can't even go with "good"?
Using your standards, the rest of the league is decent at best, with G being the best of mediocrity. And I can count on my fingers how many players in the NHL are good.

 

[dingbathero]

Gatekeeper to the hall is Pierre Turgeon.

If Giroux wants in, he needs to have a better career than Turgeon.

I'm on this train.

Giroux needs a cup at the very least.

 

[Price is Wright]

I think if that's the case then Dale Hunter is never coming close to the hall

Now I'm going to be angry all weekend. Thanks.

 

[gorangers0525]

How to shutdown Giroux: Play 5v5

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Giroux has become a PP specialist no doubt. But I always found him overrated even before this occurred. He's a good player, and he has had a good career. But HOF, no. I do not think he belongs there.

 

[BruinDust]

He'll be 30 in January.

Less than 200 goals, less than 600 pts as it stands today. Zero individual awards, zero Stanley Cups.

He'd have to have a tremendous 2nd half of his career to be Hall-of-fame worthy.

I don't see it happening.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Kariya was worthy. I don't think the other two are.

But that's the HOF for you.

Recchi finished in the top five for points three times, won three Cups and scored over 1500 points. I don't see why he doesn't belong. He wasn't the flashiest player, but he did more than enough to be a Hall of Famer in my opinion.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Recchi finished in the top five for points three times, won three Cups and scored over 1500 points. I don't see why he doesn't belong. He wasn't the flashiest player, but he did more than enough to be a Hall of Famer in my opinion.

Yep. Unless a player won multiple individual awards or was considered a top 2, top 3 player during his career, the only way he's making the HoF is by racking up huge career totals.

Recchi did that, Giroux (thus far) has not.

 

[Sansbacon]

When I read the title, this is what I said to myself:

The Hall? Like Taylor Hall? No, that doesn't make sense. The Hall of Fame? No way, can't be that.


For Giroux to be inducted, he would need to have a back half of his career that defies all logic and historical precedence. His peak year was insane, no doubt. But it has been a steady decline since then. To improve his chances, he needs to get back to PPG form, do some damage in the playoffs like he did in the first few years of his career, and pull in some post season All Star selections. Tough to do on the wrong side of 30, which he will be sometime in the middle of this coming season if memory serves.

That was my exact thought process as well. Followed by "I should click on this and see what the OP means."

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Yep. Unless a player won multiple individual awards or was considered a top 2, top 3 player during his career, the only way he's making the HoF is by racking up huge career totals.

Recchi did that, Giroux (thus far) has not.

There are usually around 40 active future HOFers, so the standards aren't quite that high

 

[Beau Knows]

I don't think he is a good enough player to deserve entry into the Hall.

However there is a path for him to maybe get there. I can't see him winning the Hart trophy or Art Ross trophy at this point, those are the kind of accomplishments that would have put him up for consideration. But if the Flyers win a couple Cups and he performs great in their runs, nabbing a Smythe or 2 while having good longevity, he could make it.