"You won't take the worst contract in the league off our hands so here's a horrible offer for your most valuable trade piece."
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Let's just say we were taking Lucic in this deal. I'm not even sold on Puljujarvi anyway. So what else do you have to offer. Yamamoto, Bear and 2 first round picks?
Yep. I'm sure teams are lining up to over-pay on that lottery ball.Kreider a possession player and his games a late bloomer... He’s going to go from producing 180sog to 240sog and that’s going to turn him into a 35-40G scorer
He’s about to have a career season... watch
What exactly does Chris Kreider have with Dave Keon?
Excellent question. One I've been asking for years.
No. You did not characterize the comparison that way at the time.
You said he was the next Keon, not solely based on speed or a best-case scenario, which is why the most absurd player comparison I've ever seen endures years after the fact. Don't cower and distance yourself from it now simply because the message board doesn't leave any traces of your hilariously off-base evaluation. Own it.
Originally drafted as a C and unknown that he would fill out into a power F, I said that given someone in NY said he was a top 5 NHL calibre skater when drafted, Keon was the best case scenario of Kreider's upside. Keon turned out to be a much better shooter, better passer also. But at the time before CK bulked up -- thankfully the added muscle did not reduce his speed --- it was an apt comparison: a pivot whose exceptional speed offered potential for star quality performance.
I owned it before, during, after and up to current time and beyond.
I DID make a conditional assessment.
As it was based on those conditions, it was not an off base evaluation.
It was correct for what it was as it was in the beginning.
As those conditions changed, I updated my assessment.
I expected him to remain a pivot.
I knew he was a kid who could put on the weight and that could bulk him up, so that is why my remarks WERE reserved.
While Kreider still has elite speed as did Keon, I expected he might be a better shooter. He has a hard shot, but while on net usually it is not effective at finding a hole as much as I'd like. Still, his speed, now enhanced by a power frame, is effective not only in front of the net, but also at creating separation.
So what I said was more accurate before the added muscle when he was a skinny C a la Keon [DK more talented than CK].
Since the change in physique and position, those new developments did not make the analogy as close a comparison as before. I said so back then commensurate with same taking place.
I had also hoped earlier on that coming up as a pivot he might have had better puck handling skills. His are good, but greatness requires what McDavid or MacKinnon have, and while I hoped for that, I never said Kreider had that.
Kreider remains an effective catalyst, he is able to single handedly dominate for stretches at a time, as he did 2nd quarter in Toronto playoffs in prior season. Like everyone, chemistry is usually a factor and he is playing better with the more talented Zib than with Stepan. Put CK with top talent and he will more than hold up his end to top results.
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I'm glad this thread was resurrected.
I have been crushed with a lot of stuff and have not posted as much as desired and have had to let some remarks like yours go bye.
Til now.
I was very forthright then as I am forthright now.
Right or wrong, I call them, honestly, as I see them.
There was nothing I did not "own" back then. Or now.
Your comments were a cheap shot.
Consider yourself rebuked and repudiated.
"main" piece of a substantial component of a package, I did say, "NY would add".If McAvoy is made available, Krieder would not be the main piece, he'd be an add to a much better piece. As a Leafs fan, i would pay large for McAvoy.
It's fine if you thought that Kreider had Keon ceiling, providing you admit that he is no where near that ceiling and never will be.
Prime Keon>>>>Prime Kreider
Yep. I'm sure teams are lining up to over-pay on that lottery ball.
For Kreider? In your dreams
Oh.For taking Lucic in the deal also. Half for Kreider half for taking on Lucic contract
Fax the papers . Have your people contract my peopleWhere do I sign?
Kreider a possession player and his games a late bloomer... He’s going to go from producing 180sog to 240sog and that’s going to turn him into a 35-40G scorer
He’s about to have a career season... watch
Oh.
Then I agree with you, in that case.
45-55 from 34 to 39.Kreider last 140GP 48G 345sog
Per 82 28G 202sog
Kreider first 248GP 61G 493sog
Per 82 20G 163sog
See how he’s trending up? He’s a late bloomer... 35-40G from 27 to 33
Watch
Originally drafted as a C and unknown that he would fill out into a power F, I said that given someone in NY said he was a top 5 NHL calibre skater when drafted, Keon was the best case scenario of Kreider's upside. Keon turned out to be a much better shooter, better passer also. But at the time before CK bulked up -- thankfully the added muscle did not reduce his speed --- it was an apt comparison: a pivot whose exceptional speed offered potential for star quality performance.
I owned it before, during, after and up to current time and beyond.
I DID make a conditional assessment.
As it was based on those conditions, it was not an off base evaluation.
It was correct for what it was as it was in the beginning.
As those conditions changed, I updated my assessment.
I expected him to remain a pivot.
I knew he was a kid who could put on the weight and that could bulk him up, so that is why my remarks WERE reserved.
While Kreider still has elite speed as did Keon, I expected he might be a better shooter. He has a hard shot, but while on net usually it is not effective at finding a hole as much as I'd like. Still, his speed, now enhanced by a power frame, is effective not only in front of the net, but also at creating separation.
So what I said was more accurate before the added muscle when he was a skinny C a la Keon [DK more talented than CK].
Since the change in physique and position, those new developments did not make the analogy as close a comparison as before. I said so back then commensurate with same taking place.
I had also hoped earlier on that coming up as a pivot he might have had better puck handling skills. His are good, but greatness requires what McDavid or MacKinnon have, and while I hoped for that, I never said Kreider had that.
Kreider remains an effective catalyst, he is able to single handedly dominate for stretches at a time, as he did 2nd quarter in Toronto playoffs in prior season. Like everyone, chemistry is usually a factor and he is playing better with the more talented Zib than with Stepan. Put CK with top talent and he will more than hold up his end to top results.
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I'm glad this thread was resurrected.
I have been crushed with a lot of stuff and have not posted as much as desired and have had to let some remarks like yours go bye.
Til now.
I was very forthright then as I am forthright now.
Right or wrong, I call them, honestly, as I see them.
There was nothing I did not "own" back then. Or now.
Your comments were a cheap shot.
Consider yourself rebuked and repudiated.
There's a significant difference between a middle six for and top six forward and if you don't think so then continue to argue with the wallThere is certainly overlap between middle six and top six... I think he is a good second liner. Look at his stats.
A debate of whether elite or top liner is a short lived debate!! Over 21 goals... one time.
If he can find the Jagr youth, watch out, breaking records!45-55 from 34 to 39.
Reasonable as ever.
That's not a bad offer. Don't know if NYR system has room to take all those players back, though. A 1st, 2nd, and Bear from a team that will struggle to make the playoffs is pretty good. Given that NYR are rebuilding, it seems to fit with their MO.I'd like to see Kreider on the Oilers, but some money has to go back because Edmonton is right up against the cap.
Kreider has ranged from 37-53 points and has a lot of positive intangibles. I'd expect him to put up 50+ points on McDavid's wing, and 40-50 on Draisaitl's.
So if a high pick and a prospect is the price for Ranger fans, keep in mind some cap has to go back.
Kassian $1.95 Million AAV
Caggiula $1.5 Million AAV
Chaisson $650,000 AAV
All in the last year of their deals. Not too much money going to New York. Off the books after the end of the season.
2019 1st top 10 protected, otherwise 1st 2020 unprotected
2019 2nd, option to shift to 2020 2nd
Ethan Bear (RHD Prospect)
Ranger fan here. I say hell yes. I’ll even drive Chris to the airport myselfI'd like to see Kreider on the Oilers, but some money has to go back because Edmonton is right up against the cap.
Kreider has ranged from 37-53 points and has a lot of positive intangibles. I'd expect him to put up 50+ points on McDavid's wing, and 40-50 on Draisaitl's.
So if a high pick and a prospect is the price for Ranger fans, keep in mind some cap has to go back.
Kassian $1.95 Million AAV
Caggiula $1.5 Million AAV
Chaisson $650,000 AAV
All in the last year of their deals. Not too much money going to New York. Off the books after the end of the season.
2019 1st top 10 protected, otherwise 1st 2020 unprotected
2019 2nd, option to shift to 2020 2nd
Ethan Bear (RHD Prospect)
Originally drafted as a C and unknown that he would fill out into a power F, I said that given someone in NY said he was a top 5 NHL calibre skater when drafted, Keon was the best case scenario of Kreider's upside. Keon turned out to be a much better shooter, better passer also. But at the time before CK bulked up -- thankfully the added muscle did not reduce his speed --- it was an apt comparison: a pivot whose exceptional speed offered potential for star quality performance.
I owned it before, during, after and up to current time and beyond.
I DID make a conditional assessment.
As it was based on those conditions, it was not an off base evaluation.
It was correct for what it was as it was in the beginning.
As those conditions changed, I updated my assessment.
I expected him to remain a pivot.
I knew he was a kid who could put on the weight and that could bulk him up, so that is why my remarks WERE reserved.
While Kreider still has elite speed as did Keon, I expected he might be a better shooter. He has a hard shot, but while on net usually it is not effective at finding a hole as much as I'd like. Still, his speed, now enhanced by a power frame, is effective not only in front of the net, but also at creating separation.
So what I said was more accurate before the added muscle when he was a skinny C a la Keon [DK more talented than CK].
Since the change in physique and position, those new developments did not make the analogy as close a comparison as before. I said so back then commensurate with same taking place.
I had also hoped earlier on that coming up as a pivot he might have had better puck handling skills. His are good, but greatness requires what McDavid or MacKinnon have, and while I hoped for that, I never said Kreider had that.
Kreider remains an effective catalyst, he is able to single handedly dominate for stretches at a time, as he did 2nd quarter in Toronto playoffs in prior season. Like everyone, chemistry is usually a factor and he is playing better with the more talented Zib than with Stepan. Put CK with top talent and he will more than hold up his end to top results.
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I'm glad this thread was resurrected.
I have been crushed with a lot of stuff and have not posted as much as desired and have had to let some remarks like yours go bye.
Til now.
I was very forthright then as I am forthright now.
Right or wrong, I call them, honestly, as I see them.
There was nothing I did not "own" back then. Or now.
Your comments were a cheap shot.
Consider yourself rebuked and repudiated.