Dreger: Chris Kreider could be moved

[JT Kreider]

I think his point is that there aren't enough 1st rounders to go around for all of these guys from the Rangers, + all of the guys available on other teams, to return 1st rounders+. There's only a limited number of teams buying, and the Blues and Flames already don't have 1st rounders for this upcoming year.

Who are the top players available other than Rangers??

Evander Kane? Dude hasn't scored in a month and if I'm a playoff team with young players I stay as far away as possible. I bet every buyer would prefer our available forwards to Kane.

OEL and his MINUS 65 over the last two seasons?

Mike Green is pretty good but of course you take McDonagh over him as well.

I would be petrified to give up serious assets for Bailey since who knows how he would look without Tavares.

 

[Avs44]

Who are the top players available other than Rangers??

Evander Kane? Dude hasn't scored in a month and if I'm a playoff team with young players I stay as far away as possible.

Kane should still fetch a 1st. LeBrun says Jackets think they can get a 1st for JJ (who knows how long that idea will last, but they still think it), Green should get a 1st, if Grabner is in a conversation for a 1st round pick somehow then Maroon absolutely is in that conversation as well (identical number of points, don't think either gets that, though - 2nd each), if Vegas decides to move one of their pending UFAs (Neal / Perron, there were some rumblings about that a while ago I believe) then they should get a 1st back, if the Senators decide to move someone as has been rumored (Hoffman? Pageau?), Pacioretty is clearly available, might see the Coyotes sell someone and maybe a quality veteran D like Hammer is in that 1st round pick conversation. Could also see teams like the Canes entering that group of sellers over the next couple weeks too. Maybe Detroit figures the relationship with AA isn't so good and consider moving him.

Some of the pieces I listed are longshots to be moved, specifically the Vegas players, but I think there's very much a group there (Kane, Green, Patches, some Sens players, Hammer) that are all likely available, and that are all in that conversation with varying Rangers players to be worth 1st rounders. There aren't going to be 5-10 1st round picks moving at the deadline - when's the last time we saw that?

 

[Kupo]

Stepan and Raanta were moved for the 7th overall and ADA.

I expect Kreider, and his friendly contract would get similar value on draft day. He’s 26.

And yea...

Blood clot...

He’s got one of the best, (if not the best) medical staffs in hockey making sure he recovers to the fullest.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Ok what would you want coming back, be realistic though.

Always been a huge fan of his, he's tailor made for the Penguins system.

Its an underpayment, in my opinion.

Sprong+1st.

Edit: I see you like this deal. I think its fair.

 

[JT Kreider]

Kane should still fetch a 1st. LeBrun says Jackets think they can get a 1st for JJ (who knows how long that idea will last, but they still think it), Green should get a 1st, if Grabner is in a conversation for a 1st round pick somehow then Maroon absolutely is in that conversation as well (identical number of points, don't think either gets that, though - 2nd each), if Vegas decides to move one of their pending UFAs (Neal / Perron, there were some rumblings about that a while ago I believe) then they should get a 1st back, if the Senators decide to move someone as has been rumored (Hoffman? Pageau?), Pacioretty is clearly available, might see the Coyotes sell someone and maybe a quality veteran D like Hammer is in that 1st round pick conversation. Could also see teams like the Canes entering that group of sellers over the next couple weeks too. Maybe Detroit figures the relationship with AA isn't so good and consider moving him.

Some of the pieces I listed are longshots to be moved, specifically the Vegas players, but I think there's very much a group there (Kane, Green, Patches, some Sens players, Hammer) that are all likely available, and that are all in that conversation with varying Rangers players to be worth 1st rounders. There aren't going to be 5-10 1st round picks moving at the deadline - when's the last time we saw that?

Fair enough. I also hope we get more prospects and NHL ready players anyway.

For instance, no interest in Tampas first round pick. I want some combo of Howden, Foote, Raddysh and Katchouk for McDonagh.

Or a possible trade with the Wild like Spurgeon/Kunin/Greenway. Fox from the Flames, Thompson/Kyrou from the Blues, Armia from the Jets. If Vegas is going for it, Suzuki.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Would would Rangers want from the Flyers?

Sanheim+Myers

 

[GAGLine]

if Grabner is in a conversation for a 1st round pick somehow then Maroon absolutely is in that conversation as well (identical number of points, don't think either gets that, though - 2nd each)

Grabner is a threat with his speed. He creates his own offense, unlike Maroon who feeds off better players. Maroon's career high in goals was 11 until he started playing with McDavid. Grabner is great on the PK. Maroon has 12 seconds on the PK in 50 games. Grabner is also great defensively and generates a lot of his offense through takeaways. Their values aren't close.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

A low level deal?

Why the hell would the Rangers trade him for a low value return? Silly Dreger.

 

[Lustaf]

Perfect reaction.

Sprong + 1st for him would be fair IMO.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think NYR are just plain exploding the team and the only untouchable is Lias Andersson.

Lots of wings available, just don't know who needs wings the most other than Edmonton, but I'll just say Kreider to the Bruins, Blues or Leafs.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Rangers should definitely hold onto Kreider, he would be very hard to replace

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Eh, i'm not sending Kreider to Crosbys/Malkins wing for less then like Sprong + 1st + 1st

 

[SML2]

There is definitely more supply than demand this season. I hope this is the reason for such an early declaration of the rebuild. By committing to it early, you eliminate the competition from a lot of teams that are on the fence right now and also open your market to teams that think with 30 games left their shot is still there. It's bold, no question. But do I think all 16 playoff teams surrender their 1st rounders by the deadline? No. This is musical chairs and somebody is going to get stuck with players they wanted to trade and either couldn't find a buyer for or sold for way less than their perceived value is around here.

 

[Kaapo di tutti capi]

There is definitely more supply than demand this season. I hope this is the reason for such an early declaration of the rebuild. By committing to it early, you eliminate the competition from a lot of teams that are on the fence right now and also open your market to teams that think with 30 games left their shot is still there. It's bold, no question. But do I think all 16 playoff teams surrender their 1st rounders by the deadline? No. This is musical chairs and somebody is going to get stuck with players they wanted to trade and either couldn't find a buyer for or sold for way less than their perceived value is around here.

Personally, if we end up being "stuck" with McDonagh and Zuccarello at a combined 9.2 M, I'm ok with that. I'd much rather that happen than Gorton trade them for .50 on the dollar. There's always the draft and next year's trade deadline to get returns for them if you don't plan on re-signing them. Even if we're rebuilding, having those guys be mentors and steady players for the young players on our team wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

[Bazeek]

Fair enough. I also hope we get more prospects and NHL ready players anyway.

For instance, no interest in Tampas first round pick. I want some combo of Howden, Foote, Raddysh and Katchouk for McDonagh.

Or a possible trade with the Wild like Spurgeon/Kunin/Greenway. Fox from the Flames, Thompson/Kyrou from the Blues, Armia from the Jets. If Vegas is going for it, Suzuki.

Edit: HA! Thought this was for McDonagh and assumed the price was Spurgeon + Kunin + Greenway. Have to check my thread titles.

If we're just giving up one of those for Krieder... I dunno. I assume they'd want more than just, say, Greenway, though. His salary's a problem for Minnesota, too.

 

[haveandare]

I think he's suggesting that it's strange a team just 3 points out of a playoff spot, with ~30 games to go, is publicly announcing "screw it, we're rebuilding." I don't expect the Rangers to make it in regardless of what they do, but the Rangers' management is, for all intents and purposes, announcing that they are sort of tanking for the rest of the year and that they don't even want to be in the playoffs. You don't publicly announce the beginning of a rebuild if you want to win. It's frankly a really weird thing to announce in the midst of a season, when the team is still sort of middle of the pack. It's the sort of announcement you either never expect, or expect at the end of a season when the team has naturally had a really poor finish.

They are nowhere near the misdle of the pack if you’ve been watching them. They are horribly outshot and outpossessed 2:1 almost all the time. Most of each game is in their zone shelling Lundqvist. They would have less than no chance winning a round if they made it.

As a fan I’m ecstatic management can see through the standings being decent and realize where the team is. They need to be changed significantly but I hate the idea of moving Kreider

 

[tictactoe]

Sanheim+Myers

For 27 year old that scored 50pts just once with that type injury history? Sanheim+Myers our best d-man prospects. Counter Rubtsov and 1st.

 

[JT Kreider]

Personally, if we end up being "stuck" with McDonagh and Zuccarello at a combined 9.2 M, I'm ok with that. I'd much rather that happen than Gorton trade them for .50 on the dollar. There's always the draft and next year's trade deadline to get returns for them if you don't plan on re-signing them. Even if we're rebuilding, having those guys be mentors and steady players for the young players on our team wouldn't be a bad thing.

Or we could always fire AV, then every player who has been underperforming will start to get going, and I mean literally every player because every on of them has regressed and there is only one common denominator. We get Shatty and Kreider back and make a run for the playoffs.

Not the worst fallback option? No. I wish this was option number one.

 

[Kaapo di tutti capi]

Or we could always fire AV, then every player who has been underperforming will start to get going, and I mean literally every player because every on of them has regressed. We get Shatty and Kreider back and make a run for the playoffs.

Not the worst fallback option? No. I wish this was option number one.

That's the rub, isn't it? Until AV goes, it really doesn't matter who we add. His system is idiotic and his "turn the other cheek" nonsense would turn players like Getzlaf and Perry into soft baby poo.

 

[chethejet]

Teams in the hunt don't have cap room to add contracts here. Plus teams are starting to grasp giving away picks for short term solutions that may or may not work may not be the way to go. NY may want to trade many guys, but there are only so many deals to be made.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

Eh, i'm not sending Kreider to Crosbys/Malkins wing for less then like Sprong + 1st + 1st

A) thats quite the overpayment
B) thats not quite how trades work

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

On Insider Trading just now on Tsn

Insider Trading: Preds and Stars front runners for Nash?

"And there's intrigue around Chris Kreider as well. You know he's still recovering from the blood clot in his right arm, expected to return perhaps in mid-March so there might be a low level deal there. "

Not sure what the bold means. The Rangers won't be looking for a low level return.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Ok what would you want coming back, be realistic though.

Always been a huge fan of his, he's tailor made for the Penguins system.

Honestly, I'm not sure the Pens would have the pieces.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

A) thats quite the overpayment
B) thats not quite how trades work

That's not an overpayment. In fact that offer is probably easily bested. And the Pens will have to have the best offer to get the Rangers to trade in-division.

 

[eco's bones]

A) thats quite the overpayment
B) thats not quite how trades work

A) What your team is looking at is two more Stanley Cups--like 4 in a row---so those 1st rounders of yours would be #31OA's--absolute tail end of the first round. It ain't an overpayment in my eyes. Actually I'm not all that jazzed about Sprong either. Maybe you should add.

B) I don't give a f*** about how trades work or how you think they should work and I really don't want to trade Kreider. So if something better can't be worked out we'll just go our separate ways.