Player Discussion Charlie Coyle - Part Deux

[BTO]

From nhl.com:

[URL="https://www.nhl.com/news/bruins-coyle-inspired-by-3-year-old-brain-tumor/c-310457128?tid=282796264"]Coyle, Bruins find inspiration in 3-year-old who had brain tumor[/URL]

 

[Alicat]

From nhl.com:

Coyle, Bruins find inspiration in 3-year-old who had brain tumor

Quinn!

He's dropping the puck tomorrow

 

[Lo97]

Bergeron and Marchand didn’t project to be first line players

neither did Kucherov or Point

you want first line projected players use the Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Buffalo, Tampa models

you know what they all have in common ?

They sucked - picked 1 overall atleast once and all picked in top 5 multiple times

Bruins fans can’t handle in the 90’s let alone 50 points


McAvoy & Pastrnak were not projected studs or they would have gone higher

you never know

McAvoy was absolutely a projected stud. He had tons of hype around him and I was shocked he fell to 14. That's like saying Barzal wasn't a projected stud because he went 16th. The draft is weird, sometimes great players fall for seemingly no reason. Happens every year. People will be saying the same about Cole Caufield.

 

[TwineTickler]

Lock this man up please. Absolute horse.

 

[BMC]

From nhl.com:

[URL='https://www.nhl.com/news/bruins-coyle-inspired-by-3-year-old-brain-tumor/c-310457128?tid=282796264']Coyle, Bruins find inspiration in 3-year-old who had brain tumor[/URL]

http://[URL]https://www.nhl.com/new...ear-old-brain-tumor/c-310457128?tid=282796264

Damn dust in my eyes... Hockey players are the best people

 

[TwineTickler]

Where is everyone telling me we would regret trading away Donato?

How lopsided is this trade 8 months down the road? Its laughable.

 

[BMC]

Lock this man up please. Absolute horse.

The Bruins must re-sign him. It is that simple.

 

[neelynugs]

i've never seen a player that's looked so good with a stat line like his.
6 year deal please. can't imagine the AAV being above $4.5M.

 

[TwineTickler]

i've never seen a player that's looked so good with a stat line like his.
6 year deal please. can't imagine the AAV being above $4.5M.

Could not agree more

 

[GloryDaze4877]

i've never seen a player that's looked so good with a stat line like his.
6 year deal please. can't imagine the AAV being above $4.5M.

That’s what happens when you put Ritchie on one side (who has been better of late), and an ice-cold DeBrusk on the other.

If he had Heinen and Bjork riding shotgun, he would have double the points, easy.

 

[neelynugs]

That’s what happens when you put Ritchie on one side (who has been better of late), and an ice-cold DeBrusk on the other.

If he had Heinen and Bjork riding shotgun, he would have double the points, easy.

maybe this will work out in boston's benefit with regards to his extension.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

maybe this will work out in boston's benefit with regards to his extension.

He’s purposely putting Coyle with DeBrusk and Ritchie to artificially deflate his point totals #Sweenius

 

[Tmac37]

Has fit in with Boston like a glove.

 

[Brewin8]

Has fit in with Boston like a glove.

Local boy has no issue playing at home; just like Jimmy Hayes..

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

McAvoy was absolutely a projected stud. He had tons of hype around him and I was shocked he fell to 14. That's like saying Barzal wasn't a projected stud because he went 16th. The draft is weird, sometimes great players fall for seemingly no reason. Happens every year. People will be saying the same about Cole Caufield.

how many playoffs can you go back and find at least 15 names we would all call studs?

its safe to say that if a player was a stud... he would still be playing in the league 13 years after his draft... so lets say 10 drafts times 15 players... equals 150 players... are you able to list 150 players that you would classify as studs?

even if teams felt confident they could draft the best 15 players 1-through-15, that is a pretty tough standard to meet. when you factor in that at least 33% of the best players in any draft fall below the top 15 I think you become a lot less certain about what you are finding when drafting 13-14-15

most teams are starting to consider drafting character 3rd liners if that guy is a sure thing... and then they are starting to gamble on guys with major flaws that might never pan out. you can hope for a stud, but its only fans wishing with their hearts that believe its more than a 50-50 flip of the coin that a player drafted at 14 would ever have a meaningful career let alone be a stud

lets look at McAvoy and the drafts before his in 2016

2015... jake debrusk... not quite a stud yet but probably headed that way
2014...Julius honka… headed towards bustville?
2013...alexander wennberg… managed to get horribly overpaid
2012...zemgus girgensons… 400 game career as a bottom six
2011...Jamie Oleksiak... very tall player
2010...jaden scwartz… probably the best player in this list so far... is he a stud?
2009...Dmitri Kulikov... I thought I would have hit a stud by now but lets keep looking
2008...Zach boychuk… definitely a bust
2007...kevin Shattenkirk... are we going to use the word stud for him?
2006...michael grabner… yeah this is 10... lets do 2 more
2005...sasha pokulok… did any of us ever hear of this guy before?
2004...devan dubnyk

so... heres 13 years of drafting at spot 14... I think we got the best 2 guys in McAvoy and debrusk with only Shattenkirk and scwartz close

I just continue to find it amazing how much misconception there is of drafts and how fans think its going to be a disaster if they dont get a 'stud' at 14 or whatever...

theres very very very little chance of getting a stud outside the top 5-10 picks. it can happen, but getting a solid second liner is beating the odds and once you drop past pick 20... the chances of getting a guy that is still a regular nhl player after 5 years of development drops below 50% and quickly goes down as you reach the end of the first round

you need some luck to find the nhl quality kids if you arent picking top 10

 

[KillerMillerTime]

how many playoffs can you go back and find at least 15 names we would all call studs?

its safe to say that if a player was a stud... he would still be playing in the league 13 years after his draft... so lets say 10 drafts times 15 players... equals 150 players... are you able to list 150 players that you would classify as studs?

even if teams felt confident they could draft the best 15 players 1-through-15, that is a pretty tough standard to meet. when you factor in that at least 33% of the best players in any draft fall below the top 15 I think you become a lot less certain about what you are finding when drafting 13-14-15

most teams are starting to consider drafting character 3rd liners if that guy is a sure thing... and then they are starting to gamble on guys with major flaws that might never pan out. you can hope for a stud, but its only fans wishing with their hearts that believe its more than a 50-50 flip of the coin that a player drafted at 14 would ever have a meaningful career let alone be a stud

lets look at McAvoy and the drafts before his in 2016

2015... jake debrusk... not quite a stud yet but probably headed that way
2014...Julius honka… headed towards bustville?
2013...alexander wennberg… managed to get horribly overpaid
2012...zemgus girgensons… 400 game career as a bottom six
2011...Jamie Oleksiak... very tall player
2010...jaden scwartz… probably the best player in this list so far... is he a stud?
2009...Dmitri Kulikov... I thought I would have hit a stud by now but lets keep looking
2008...Zach boychuk… definitely a bust
2007...kevin Shattenkirk... are we going to use the word stud for him?
2006...michael grabner… yeah this is 10... lets do 2 more
2005...sasha pokulok… did any of us ever hear of this guy before?
2004...devan dubnyk

so... heres 13 years of drafting at spot 14... I think we got the best 2 guys in McAvoy and debrusk with only Shattenkirk and scwartz close

I just continue to find it amazing how much misconception there is of drafts and how fans think its going to be a disaster if they dont get a 'stud' at 14 or whatever...

theres very very very little chance of getting a stud outside the top 5-10 picks. it can happen, but getting a solid second liner is beating the odds and once you drop past pick 20... the chances of getting a guy that is still a regular nhl player after 5 years of development drops below 50% and quickly goes down as you reach the end of the first round

you need some luck to find the nhl quality kids if you arent picking top 10

Funny that in a Coyle thread we get a 2 page response from you w/o one reference to Coyle.

How about next time you tell the person you're responding 2 to go to a much more appropriate thread to read your novel. Not asking a lot here.

 

[PB37]

He’s purposely putting Coyle with DeBrusk and Ritchie to artificially deflate his point totals #Sweenius

Coyle actually has 3 out of his 4 points with DeBrusk on his left wing with only one point with Heinen in that spot.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Coyle actually has 3 out of his 4 points with DeBrusk on his left wing with only one point with Heinen in that spot.

1) That was a joke.
2) The Bjork-Coyle-Heinen combo was the most effective preseason combo.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

With the age of our C's, he's more important to sign than Krug. He's not gonna come cheap either. It's gonna take more than 6m per.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

But...but...Sweeney will regret trading Donato for years to come.

It was insufferable by those posters and nary a peep now.

 

[zaYG]

It's gonna take more than 6m per.

well cya charlie

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

well cya charlie

I doubt they can afford to not give him his money. Too shallow and aging a position.

 

[Chief Nine]

With the age of our C's, he's more important to sign than Krug. He's not gonna come cheap either. It's gonna take more than 6m per.

I think I've seen about 4 billion posts about a players so-called worth from posters that are really, really wrong.







Marchand
Pastrnak
McAvoy
Carlo


And Charlie Coyle, as great as he's been for the Boston Bruins, is not a #1 or #2 center

 

[BMC]

He may get more than your average 3C. Then again he's shown he's not your average 3C.

Pay the man. He's earned it.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I think I've seen about 4 billion posts about a players so-called worth from posters that are really, really wrong.







Marchand
Pastrnak
McAvoy
Carlo


And Charlie Coyle, as great as he's been for the Boston Bruins, is not a #1 or #2 center

Happens every time. Young player goes into a great stretch and posters come out stating that it will cost 100 biiiiilllllllion dollars!